Official Samsung UNXXES7100 Thread. - Page 15

If you look at the description of where it's sold, i.e. Amazon, Crutchfield, etc. it says "240Hz refresh rate plus backlight scanning." That means 120hz native as backlight doubles the perceived refresh rate.

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-ZrBOA25T5Xp/p_30560E7100/Samsung-UN60ES7100.html

240hz native refresh rates are generally only on flagship TVs.

I used to have a similar setup before upgrading my receiver. What I did was run audio from each source to the receiver using optical. Then use a HDMI switch to run all the HDMI's (video signal) to the TV. You can get a good and inexpensive HDMI switch that supports 3D at monoprice.com.

You always want to use your receiver to decode audio otherwise your TV will downgrade your audio to PCM 2.0 as EAnglum said.

Okay, I don't think I'm even going to connect my Apple TV as the Samsung Blu-Ray player appears to be able to watch movies that are shared on my network.

I'll connect the HDPVR and Blu-Ray Player via digital audio to my receiver, and connect both devices via HDMI cables to the TV, and let my Harmony universal remote handle all the inputs. I'll use digital audio out from the TV to the receiver for the TV Apps.

Sound right?

Check the description for the ES8000 - same exact description - 240Hz plus backlight scanning.

7100,7500 and 8000 are all native 240Hz panels. CMR is the difference which is what they are referring to with the plus "backlight" scanning. Check Samsungs own specification/comparison chart - all 3 are 240Hz, only CMR is different.

I would not be surprised if all 3 models use the same LCD panel - just a few other minor hardware differences with firmware logic/operation/options being the biggest difference regarding video performance.
Edited by EAnglum - 10/15/12 at 5:33am

I was just reading the CNET review of the ES8000 and they confirmed it is a 240hz TV, so if it has the same refresh rate description as the ES7100 I guess they would both be 240hz.

CNET about the ES8000 refresh rate: "Samsung doesn't include mention of the panel refresh rate in its specifications, but I asked and was told it has a 240Hz panel. The company's Clear Motion Rate specification, new for this year, supposedly includes refresh rate among its calculations, along with video processing and backlight scanning. For what it's worth -- not much, as far as I'm concerned -- the ES8000's CMR is said to be 960."

However, I still wonder why they include backlight scanning in the 240hz description. If you read the following from HD Guru, backlight scanning is a way to bump the refresh rate specs without actually building in the technology into the TV. http://hdguru.com/beware-of-phony-lcd-hdtv-refresh-rates/7726/#more-7726

Quote from HD Guru: "For example, a 240 SPS television likely has a 120 Hz refresh, but adds a “black frame insertion” feature that flashes the backlight in a way to justify calling the TV “240.”

This is why I have been thinking that the ES7100 is actually a true 120hz TV.

However, all that matters to me is I think the refresh rate is good enough to deal with motion without being distracting or creating the soap opera effect.

Pretty sure the backlight scanning is part of CMR (Clear Motion Rate) - that is where they get the 720, 840 and 960Hz ratings with all of the processing.

Does anyone know if the ES7100 has a "Blue Only" feature? On older Samsung sets it was under the Picture Options menu but I can't find it under any sub-menu.

It is a convenient feature when doing basic color calibration and saves having to dig a blue filter out of my ancient calibration kit - now where the heck is that anyway?

Thanks

It has all three primaries under Advance/RGB Only mode

Many thanks!

I plugged today my Xbox 360 on my Samsung UN46ES7100. The picture quality is really ugly! Lot of aliasing and the TV seems not be able to manage the speed of the game. Even on none moving image, the quality is really bad. Is there something to do to improve it?

I notices that the light comes on when there is an update. not exactly firmware but media hub etc. so guys, light comes on when there is an update. once on it will apply the update,, it will say updating on the top right corner. once downloaded the light will turn off and just wait until the set is on to apply. check several times and its is confirmed.

FYI... as of 10/15/2012 there is a new firmware update 1022.2 available. It doesn't appear to have any new feature/functionality... just bug fixes.

How is this set for gaming motion and input lag wise? Anyone have any negative experiences with gaming?

Thanks for the heads up - download now.

It appears there is something about the Yahoo Sync app? I have no idea what that is but I think its part of this update.

I play COD and Halo on it and think it is fine. It isn't the fastest response ever according to specs (I think in the 40ms range of the top of my head), but I don't really notice any discernable lag.

Motion is fine, especially if you bump it up to standard setting for gaming.

I haven't had any experience like that on my Xbox or PS3. Can you post a picture of what's going on?

Just opened my 55" ES7100 (from Costco) yesterday. This is my first HDTV purchase so I don't have any prior experience or standards to compare it to. That said, I was pretty much blown away by the quality even at default settings.

What upsets me is the massive clouding around the edges when I put a black image on display, but I've read that the TV has to break in so I will give it some time.

Our first BR movie on the set is Batman Begins (default Standard mode) and my eyes don't seem to notice the clouding I saw earlier. The picture quality blew us away but strangely, I felt that the high quality made the movie look "fake". I know that doesn't sound right, and maybe I have to get used to it, but everything was so ridiculously sharp that midway through the movie, I was paying more attention and questioning all the sets, costumes and props than getting immersed in the film (and I'm a big Batman fan). Maybe it'll help more if I watch a movie that I've not seen before.

Just wanted to share my first impression on this TV. I'm still debating on whether to keep it or not, but if you have any advice on how to improve the viewing pleasure, please please let me know.

You might want to check a few things:

1. Game Mode enabled? Menu -> Settings -> General -> Game Mode -> Yes
2. XBOX Display Settings: 1080p, expanded reference levels, etc.
3. Your HDMI cable: length, high speed vs standard cable, gauge, etc. will all matter. I highly recommend cables with RedMere.

Like Elmo45 mentioned, it's around 40ms with game mode enabled. If you are using standard mode or one of the other display settings, this can jump up pretty dramatically. No complaints myself with motion or input lag so long game mode is enabled while playing COD.

Static images and some videos (night time shots and white text on black background) will show you the clouding and flash lighting. They will be even more pronounced in Movie mode because Micro-Dimming is turned off in Movie mode.

There are settings that will help with the clouding and flash lighting. The 2 picture settings that have the most effect are Brightness and Backlight. It is also important to have the HDMI Black Level set correctly. For most instances it should be Low. If this setting is greyed out then you will have to make a change to the HDMI setting on your source device. If the Black levels for the TV and from your source are not in synch then you black levels will be screwed up. There have also been reports that hanging the TV on a wall will also reduce clouding and/or flash lighting.

I used static images and test clips to find how BackLight and Brightness settings would effect the clouding and flahlighting. I then used my calibration disc(s) to fine tune those settings to to dial in the black settings.

It was around the 300 hour mark, for me, until I felt the set had been 'broken in'. You can try to physically massage the screen to reduce clouding but that is something you need to read up on before trying because if you do not do it correctly you can damage the panel!

Bumping this fix.

If you notice any screen flicker during dark/blank frames, brightness 46 or above to disable!



Super happy with this panel btw, required tweaks:

Picture mode: Movie (disables micro dimming, more uniform backlight)
Motion Plus: Off (disables smoothing, it always looks crap)
LED Motion Plus: Off
Energy Saving: Off (disables auto brightness)
Eco Sensor: Off (disables auto dimming by room brightness)


Recommended settings for dark room movies:

Backlight < 12
Contrast < 90
Brightness > 46
Sharpness < 50

Dynamic Contrast: Med/High
Black Tone: Darkest
Color Space: Native
Gamma: +1

For consoles turn game mode on in system - general, and try to match your settings.

Perhaps I missed this in a previous firmware release, but did the the UNxxES7100 get additional menu settings for Anynet+ (HDMI-CEC) with the latest 1022.2 release?

I thought I remembered Anynet+ having only on/off, but now I find two sub-menu selections:

Auto Turn Off (yes/no)
Receiver (on/off)

"Auto Turn Off" selects whether the TV will send a CEC "off" command to connected devices when the TV turns off, and will accept an "off" commend from selected devices.

"Receiver" specifies if the TV will CEC control a connected AV Receiver (connected to the HDMI-2 ARC input).

When I selected "Receiver - on" my AV Receiver (which has CEC enabled) immediately turned on. I also selected "Auto Turn Off - yes". I turned off the TV and, as expected, my AV Receiver turned off as well. However, when I turned the TV back on, the Receiver did not automatically power on as I expected. When I went back into the menu settings the "Receiver" option was set to "off". Fortunately, I don't want the TV controlling my receiver's power.

So I now have Anynet+ = on, Auto Turn Off = no, and Receiver = on. This gives me the behavior I want for my system since I prefer turning off the TV does not turn off my AV Receiver in the event I am listening to an audio source and elect to turn off the TV. The ARC volume up/down function appears to work regardless of the Anynet "Receiver" setting.

I would like to know more detail about these settings, but I have what I want for now. This fixes an ongoing problem for me where shutting off the TV turned off my AV receiver because I use the HDMI-ARC function on the HDMI-2 input.

Apologies if the above is confusing.

Regards

hey guys besybuy has a deal on this for a included 32 led tv or soundbar or bd player, when u but this tv at 1900 in 55inch, I am wondering if thats a good deal and also if the 7500 is worth the 200 more at 2100 for the tv. What do u guys think.

Also is it a big upgrade from a 6500

oh and how is the 7100 to 7500 compared to the sony hx850

I had the 55 inch hx850 and loved it, absolutely loved it. All the smart features were nice, and it had more simple capabilities, like naming each input, having a "universal" picture setting you could use on multiple inputs, etc etc. I took it back and grabbed the 46 inch samsung. Why? Because the blue tint was absolutely terrible. I didn't know anything about their crappy tinting before I bought it, and when I took it back to best buy (thinking something was wrong) they told me that sony does that to all their TVs now, and to fix it I need to pay them 250 dollars to come calibrate the damn thing.

So I got the samsung, and the color is exactly what I want it to be. I might calibrate it down the line, but right now I can watch any program I want and I'm not constantly distracted by everything being slightly...off. If you think it won't bother you, think about the skin color of the simpsons. Now think about the color of their house. Think about the color of the sky, the grass, their clothes. Now imagine all of those colors being tinted blue, and you'll know what I mean. It was maddening.

first, the price is $1999. The deal for the BD player includes 8 pairs of 3D glasses.

The deal I got a month ago at Amazon was $2K and a $400 Amazon gift card. The TV came with 4 pairs of glasses in the TV box.

The current amazon promotion matches BBs deal but includes 10 pairs of glasses. It also has 7 other options to choose from. Also, no sales tax, and a 2% rebate after 35 days.

Since the TV comes with 4 pair in the box, I wonder if BB and amazon are counting them in the total?

Not sure, but I think the TV that costs $200 more has gesture control, which when I read he Amazon reviews, didn't work well. I think that's the major difference.

I love this TV watching both flat and 3D programming. I'm very happy with it so far.

It only has 3 HDMI inputs which is one less than the an older Samsing it replaced. What's with that? Since my AVR doesn't do 3D I had to feed the 3D BD player directly to the TV and the regular out put of the AVR takers another input leaving me with only one to spare.

Wow OK well what u think the 7500 is worth the extra 200 bucks

If you look at the ES7100 on Amazon and scroll down, you will see a table that shows the features included on and not included on each model series. I see two differences between the 7100 and 7500: the 7500 has gesture control and a camera built in. The 7500 has Pro micro-dimming while the 7100 has Standard. I can't tell you the difference between the two.

Do you want the gesture control? After reading many customer reviews stating it worked poorly, I didn't. Find the difference between Pro and Standard micro dimming and that should tell you if it's worth the extra money.

I actually just took the 46 inch back and replaced it with the 55 inch, because best buy (and amazon) is running a deal where you buy various samsung tvs and they throw in a sound bar, second tv, or 3d bluray player. I took the sound bar. Well worth the extra cost.

yea im thinking of taking a free second tv I am so torn on the micro dimming cause I read that the pro is a big difference but in store i cant tell lol.