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post #61 of 203
9/25/12 at 3:43am
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I don't have much experience with LED as I am a plasma man myself so when I fired this thing up with the default settings I noticed it was flashlighting like a mofo! It was terrible on black backgrounds. Completely nonuniform. When I switched over to your settings it was light night and day. The flashlighting was almost completely gone, blacks are darker and more uniform, and the picture is crisp and clean. However, I do prefer the cool temperature setting although from what I hear that is not the way it is "supposed" to be. I just find the warmer settings so odd and yellowish looking. As for the Truemotion setting, for some reason I only have a de-judder in the option menu. I don't have a de-blur setting. Any idea why that is? I have the 42LS5700 and updated to the latest firmware.

I like the cooler look to a point also. So I compromised and went in the middle even though a professional would most definitely use the lowest setting.

Not sure why you don't have de-blur. I had it before and after the firmware update. Maybe others with the 42" can check out what they have and post it.
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post #62 of 203
9/25/12 at 4:25am
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I don't have much experience with LED as I am a plasma man myself so when I fired this thing up with the default settings I noticed it was flashlighting like a mofo! It was terrible on black backgrounds. Completely nonuniform. When I switched over to your settings it was light night and day. The flashlighting was almost completely gone, blacks are darker and more uniform, and the picture is crisp and clean. However, I do prefer the cool temperature setting although from what I hear that is not the way it is "supposed" to be. I just find the warmer settings so odd and yellowish looking. As for the Truemotion setting, for some reason I only have a de-judder in the option menu. I don't have a de-blur setting. Any idea why that is? I have the 42LS5700 and updated to the latest firmware.

I forgot to mention they say for sports you might want to raise de-judder just a bit to see if you notice a difference but in most cases it's better off.
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post #63 of 203
9/25/12 at 5:39am
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I forgot to mention they say for sports you might want to raise de-judder just a bit to see if you notice a difference but in most cases it's better off.
Yeah I absolutely do not have the de-blur option. Very weird. In any event, I was watching football yesterday with Truemotion off and it seemed fine to me. I will have to do some more testing with fast action scenes.
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post #64 of 203
9/25/12 at 10:12pm
Hi - does this one (42LS5700) have a matte screen?

Thanks
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post #65 of 203
9/26/12 at 3:32am
I have 42LS5700 in Australia.

Say what country you are in to see if there are different releases in the different countries.

Mine does not have De-Blur. I have the latest software installed.

I think the screen on this one is a bit shiny and reflective for my liking but OK if no bright windows or door or lights
behind you and being reflected.
The screen is certainly not a matte finish.
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post #66 of 203
9/26/12 at 8:17am
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Originally Posted by SamWaters20 View Post

I have 42LS5700 in Australia.
Say what country you are in to see if there are different releases in the different countries.
Mine does not have De-Blur. I have the latest software installed.
I think the screen on this one is a bit shiny and reflective for my liking but OK if no bright windows or door or lights
behind you and being reflected.
The screen is certainly not a matte finish.
I have 42LS5700 in the US and it doesn't have de-blur either. tezzmin are you in the US as well?
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post #67 of 203
9/26/12 at 8:24am
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Originally Posted by killerz298 View Post

I have 42LS5700 in the US and it doesn't have de-blur either. tezzmin are you in the US as well?

Yes I am in the US. It could be the size or the fact mine is a LS5750? Have to see what others have on their sets. My de-blur is just under de-juder.
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post #68 of 203
9/26/12 at 8:42am
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Yes I am in the US. It could be the size or the fact mine is a LS5750? Have to see what others have on their sets. My de-blur is just under de-juder.
Ohhhhhh! I thought you had the 5700! Yeah it must have to do with the model number as I just checked the manual and there is no de-blur option listed:

HOME ➾ Settings ➙ PICTURE ➙ Picture Mode ➙ Picture Option ➙
TruMotion
Corrects images to display smoother motion sequences.
Smooth De-Judder value is set at 3.
Clear De-Judder value is set at 7.
User De-Judder can be set manually.
• De-Judder : This function adjusts juddering of the screen.
✎✎If the video signal is 60Hz, TruMotion may not work.
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post #69 of 203
9/26/12 at 9:30am
when i go to color magement i only have one option for a color? I have the Lg 60ls5700 I dont have all those options to chagne those colors
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post #70 of 203
9/26/12 at 9:41am
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when i go to color magement i only have one option for a color? I have the Lg 60ls5700 I dont have all those options to chagne those colors
I think you have th change it to expert or something like that. I'm not home so can't check now.
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post #71 of 203
9/26/12 at 11:49am
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Originally Posted by SamWaters20 View Post

I have 42LS5700 in Australia.
Say what country you are in to see if there are different releases in the different countries.
Mine does not have De-Blur. I have the latest software installed.
I think the screen on this one is a bit shiny and reflective for my liking but OK if no bright windows or door or lights
behind you and being reflected.
The screen is certainly not a matte finish.

Yes I am in the US.
It will be going in a fairly bright room so I was hoping for a matte screen. I need a 42" slim LED TV and my only choices are LG 42LM6200, LG 42LS5700, Pana TC-L42E50 and Sharp LC-42LE540U.
Leaning towards the LG 42LS5700!
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post #72 of 203
9/26/12 at 12:25pm
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Originally Posted by briank1234 View Post

when i go to color magement i only have one option for a color? I have the Lg 60ls5700 I dont have all those options to chagne those colors

Try Expert1 or Expert2 picture mode.

Just a side note, if you use picture wizard it gets saved in Expert1 so anything you have in expert1 will be overwritten when you use picture wizard. That is why I used expert2 for my settings and compared to picture wizards settings in expert1. I still preferred mine.
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post #73 of 203
9/26/12 at 12:28pm
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Originally Posted by killerz298 View Post

Ohhhhhh! I thought you had the 5700! Yeah it must have to do with the model number as I just checked the manual and there is no de-blur option listed:
HOME ➾ Settings ➙ PICTURE ➙ Picture Mode ➙ Picture Option ➙
TruMotion
Corrects images to display smoother motion sequences.
Smooth De-Judder value is set at 3.
Clear De-Judder value is set at 7.
User De-Judder can be set manually.
• De-Judder : This function adjusts juddering of the screen.
✎✎If the video signal is 60Hz, TruMotion may not work.

It still might be the size and not the number. Hopefully someone with a 60" can check theirs. Because I checked specs up and down and the 5750 is identical to the 5700 except the 5750 is sold at Costco. Costco likes to change the number by one digit so nobody can price compare. I still think they are identical.
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post #74 of 203
9/26/12 at 5:33pm
Chappy, get the LG LS5700.
You will be extremely happy with the picture.
Locate set so windows are behind the set.

Even these modern LED LCDs have to be protected from frontal glare especially during the day
or you will not see the picture
regardless of the screen reflectiveness.

This LG is fine in bright daylight room but does reflect bright objects behind you.
I have set located so this is not a problem

Are the USA sets shiny and reflective as well?
Edited by SamWaters20 - 9/26/12 at 11:47pm
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post #75 of 203
9/26/12 at 5:39pm
Tezzmin I will try your Expert settings.

Have you tried my Standard settings below and is your expert setting better?

My settings.

PICTURE MODE

Standard (User)
Backlight 26
Contrast 66
Brightness 26
Sharpness 30 (Does not make much difference)
Colour 60
Tint R12
Colour Temp 0

ADVANCED CONTROL
All OFF except GAMMA low

PICTURE OPTION
All OFF

One query with this set is the way the different picture modes have such different adjustment menus and options available. Very confusing
and not explained in the manual.
Also I do not use the on board PVR record function as it reformats and hijacks the portable hard disk
but I replay videos on the in built USB PVR and the picture is good but the picture adjustment menus for the PV R replay
are configured differently again.

Cheers. Still love this set.
Edited by SamWaters20 - 9/26/12 at 11:46pm
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post #76 of 203
9/27/12 at 10:11pm
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Originally Posted by SamWaters20 View Post

Chappy, get the LG LS5700.
You will be extremely happy with the picture.
Locate set so windows are behind the set.
Even these modern LED LCDs have to be protected from frontal glare especially during the day
or you will not see the picture
regardless of the screen reflectiveness.
This LG is fine in bright daylight room but does reflect bright objects behind you.
I have set located so this is not a problem
Are the USA sets shiny and reflective as well?

Maybe Tezz or someone can add to this but in the store the LG 60LS5750 has a matte screen that is not reflective at all. In fact in Costco it had even less reflection then the Sharps with matte screens.
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post #77 of 203
9/28/12 at 9:35am
When comparing at the store I felt the LG had the least amount of reflection with Sharp very close. My Sharp and Lg have very similar screens that I would consider pretty close to matte.

I haven't had much time with Tv lately, still trying to work out some simplink issues with my avr but love the picture quality I am getting with the Hopper.
Edited by tezzmin - 9/28/12 at 12:12pm
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post #78 of 203
9/29/12 at 1:49pm
OK, I got the 60LS5750 up and running. Costco for $1299. Still playing with it. Watched a movie and had to turn the TruMotion off immediatly. Other then that so far happy. I like the magic remote but we have a Wii so similar. I liked Tezz's asjustment more then Sam's...but to be honnest on just TV I liked standard. Waiting for the HDTV upgrade from dish next week. That will make it better too.
Tezz, when trying your setting the real cinama was grayed out but in the off position. Maybe due to HD signal?? not sure. I notice on a dark screen the edge lighting around the TV is not totally even too.
Not sure if that is normal. Still evaluating if I love this TV or not. I went back and forth in Costco looking at this and the sharp. Who knows.... Costco TV guy said grab it and bring it back if you don't like it... so I got it. Wish there was more info out there on this TV. No reviews hardly. Kind of like this 60" size is a one off for LG??
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post #79 of 203
9/29/12 at 2:23pm
I am looking hard at the 60LS5750 at my local Costco. I was going to get the 55LM6400 they sell but my wife doesn't think we'd really use the 3D and would prefer the larger screen. I was digging through the menus on the set in the store but no matter what I changed in the picture settings I couldn't get the Real Cinema menu to turn on. It was greyed out and set to off in all the modes I tinkered in. I could adjust the True Motion, and noticed in the user mode of that you could change blur and judder. Is the TV detecting source material that won't let it turn on Real Cinema? It had a feed in at the store in HDMI1. Also, when my wife and I have looked at newer TVs (then our older Panasonic Plasma) associate the Soap Opera Effect with the nicer models. For the life of me I couldn't adjust settings on this LG to get SOE to occur, where as at the same Costco a 47 Inch Vizio was on display and had SOE in full effect. The Vizio was getting it's display from a Transformers Blu-ray, could that be why? I've been shopping these things for a month and I am tired of reading about TVs at this point, but I don't want to just settle.
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post #80 of 203
9/29/12 at 5:43pm
Some comments on the 42LS5700 in Australia.

In Australia latest firmware is Ver 04.00.28.
Tezz's firmware in USA is Ver 04.02.85.

My panel is quite reflective and shiny but OK. Picture is very good IMO. Sounds like your panels are more matte.
Panels in Aust probably different from USA sets
Tezz's settings no good at all on this set and firmware in Aust.

Like you I am also confused about what determines the greyed out settings.
The options that are greyed out vary from picture mode to picture mode and also for different video inputs for same picture mode.
(Greyed out settings for STANDARD picture mode are different for in built tuner to tuner connected to HDMI1)

I prefer STANDARD picture mode with appropriate settings rather than EXPERT.

Using in built tuner In STANDARD MODE In ADVANCED CONTROL the COLOR GAMUT is greyed out WIDE
also in PICTURE OPTION the BLACK LEVEL is greyed out AUTO.
but REAL CINEMA can be switched On / Off

Using external tuner plugged into HDMI1 with picture mode STANDARD, REAL CINEMA is greyed out OFF and BLACK LEVEL is adjustable. Confusing?????

Be interested to know what settings are greyed out for you in STANDARD picture mode using the in built tuner.

Shredo if screen not uniformly black take it back.
Not case with me but then again I believe they are different panels.

Hurte what is the soap opera effect?
Good shopping. I agree these TVs are a mine field. Good luck with your purchase.
Look at the picture and check screen uniform and if good picture buy it.
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post #81 of 203
9/29/12 at 6:24pm
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Originally Posted by Hurte View Post

I am looking hard at the 60LS5750 at my local Costco. I was going to get the 55LM6400 they sell but my wife doesn't think we'd really use the 3D and would prefer the larger screen. I was digging through the menus on the set in the store but no matter what I changed in the picture settings I couldn't get the Real Cinema menu to turn on. It was greyed out and set to off in all the modes I tinkered in. I could adjust the True Motion, and noticed in the user mode of that you could change blur and judder. Is the TV detecting source material that won't let it turn on Real Cinema? It had a feed in at the store in HDMI1. Also, when my wife and I have looked at newer TVs (then our older Panasonic Plasma) associate the Soap Opera Effect with the nicer models. For the life of me I couldn't adjust settings on this LG to get SOE to occur, where as at the same Costco a 47 Inch Vizio was on display and had SOE in full effect. The Vizio was getting it's display from a Transformers Blu-ray, could that be why? I've been shopping these things for a month and I am tired of reading about TVs at this point, but I don't want to just settle.

You sound like me. Over researched.... As for True Motion. We rented Hunger Games for last night and wow was the Soap Opera effect bad off the DVD until I turned off True Motion. I do not know how to get Real Cinema on either.
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post #82 of 203
9/29/12 at 6:30pm
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Originally Posted by SamWaters20 View Post

Some comments on the 42LS5700 in Australia.
In Australia latest firmware is Ver 04.00.28.
Tezz's firmware in USA is Ver 04.02.85.
My panel is quite reflective and shiny but OK. Picture is very good IMO. Sounds like your panels are more matte.
Panels in Aust probably different from USA sets
Tezz's settings no good at all on this set and firmware in Aust.
Like you I am also confused about what determines the greyed out settings.
The options that are greyed out vary from picture mode to picture mode and also for different video inputs for same picture mode.
(Greyed out settings for STANDARD picture mode are different for in built tuner to tuner connected to HDMI1)
I prefer STANDARD picture mode with appropriate settings rather than EXPERT.
Using in built tuner In STANDARD MODE In ADVANCED CONTROL the COLOR GAMUT is greyed out WIDE
also in PICTURE OPTION the BLACK LEVEL is greyed out AUTO.
but REAL CINEMA can be switched On / Off
Using external tuner plugged into HDMI1 with picture mode STANDARD, REAL CINEMA is greyed out OFF and BLACK LEVEL is adjustable. Confusing?????
Be interested to know what settings are greyed out for you in STANDARD picture mode using the in built tuner.
Shredo if screen not uniformly black take it back.
Not case with me but then again I believe they are different panels.
Hurte what is the soap opera effect?
Good shopping. I agree these TVs are a mine field. Good luck with your purchase.
Look at the picture and check screen uniform and if good picture buy it.

I'm not using built in tuner. Dish TV but not HD until next Sat. My screen is noticabley the least reflective in the whole store. Very much a matte screen. Sharp next closest but it is easy to tell the dif. Not sure what to think about the black. I wish there was a simple test off the internet connection that you could objectively compare stuff or something.
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post #83 of 203
9/30/12 at 1:32am
Yeah, over researched at this point is probably accurate.

Soap opera effect seems to be what people call when filmed content at 24fps goes through motion intropolation and is over smoothed and dejuddered. The term stems from US soap opera television shows that have been made on video for years and don't have the same look and feel as filmed content.
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post #84 of 203
9/30/12 at 4:42am
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You sound like me. Over researched.... As for True Motion. We rented Hunger Games for last night and wow was the Soap Opera effect bad off the DVD until I turned off True Motion. I do not know how to get Real Cinema on either.

I believe Real Cinema is grayed out depending on signal, for example with Dish Hopper 1080i feed Real Cinema is not grayed out on my set so I went ahead and shut it to off. If understand this correctly Real Cinema will not be an option in 1080P.
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post #85 of 203
9/30/12 at 4:53am
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OK, I got the 60LS5750 up and running. Costco for $1299. Still playing with it. Watched a movie and had to turn the TruMotion off immediatly. Other then that so far happy. I like the magic remote but we have a Wii so similar. I liked Tezz's asjustment more then Sam's...but to be honnest on just TV I liked standard. Waiting for the HDTV upgrade from dish next week. That will make it better too.
Tezz, when trying your setting the real cinama was grayed out but in the off position. Maybe due to HD signal?? not sure. I notice on a dark screen the edge lighting around the TV is not totally even too.
Not sure if that is normal. Still evaluating if I love this TV or not. I went back and forth in Costco looking at this and the sharp. Who knows.... Costco TV guy said grab it and bring it back if you don't like it... so I got it. Wish there was more info out there on this TV. No reviews hardly. Kind of like this 60" size is a one off for LG??

All my adjustments were done in Expert mode because standard mode does not offer fine tuning color adjustments. I was able to get all colors pretty much dead on in expert mode but in standard mode after getting blue adjusted I could not get other colors as accurate without the extra options. I have to admit standard looks pretty good and vibrant but I noticed while watching football the grass in standard almost looks florescent and to bright when compared to my settings in expert which I know is more accurate, the problem is we all like that eye popping color. So it just comes down to what everyone prefers. I might play with Standard mode again and see what I come up with.
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post #86 of 203
9/30/12 at 8:08am
So looking into the "Real Cinema" mode it seems it should only be on for 24p signals but again it is user preference as is the case for "TrueMotion". So I am leaving Real Cinema off while viewing regular 1081i/60p content and on for 1080p/24p content.
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post #87 of 203
9/30/12 at 11:02am
Thanks for the information guys. I'm going to go pick up the 60LS5750 at Costco today!
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post #88 of 203
9/30/12 at 1:20pm
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Thanks for the information guys. I'm going to go pick up the 60LS5750 at Costco today!

Awesome! This thread is gaining momentum..
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post #89 of 203
9/30/12 at 6:10pm
Can anyone give any more info on what the sopa opera effect is and what causes it?

Some movies and some TV series now seem to have a subdued brown tinted palette.
It seems to be intentional to create more atmosphere and suspense.

Tezz in STANDARD PICTURE MODE --> ADVANCED CONTROL --> PREFERRED COLOR there are adjustments available for
Skin Color , Grass Color and Sky Color. I have not tried adjusting these too much but must change tint in some way.
This option seems to be enabled for in built tuner and external tuners input by HDMI in STANDARD mode.

Is this option available in menus on USA TVs?

Also in STANDARD mode I have noticed that if you keep brightness and contrast low and ramp up COLOR this increases the color
depth, brightness and contrast and gives you deeper richer color.
I did this watching the Rugby grand final yesterday and looked great but I crank back color for other TV shows.

This TV almost has too many adjustments and too much variation in the menu options for the various picture modes.

I agree that colors and skin tones in this LS5700 they sell in Australia are very good.
Edited by SamWaters20 - 10/1/12 at 12:48am
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post #90 of 203
10/1/12 at 4:03am
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Originally Posted by SamWaters20 View Post

Can anyone give any more info on what the sopa opera effect is and what causes it?
Some movies and some TV series now seem to have a subdued brown tinted palette.
It seems to be intentional to create more atmosphere and suspense.
Tezz in STANDARD PICTURE MODE --> ADVANCED CONTROL --> PREFERRED COLOR there are adjustments available for
Skin Color , Grass Color and Sky Color. I have not tried adjusting these too much but must change tint in some way.
This option seems to be enabled for in built tuner and external tuners input by HDMI in STANDARD mode.
Is this option available in menus on USA TVs?
Also in STANDARD mode I have noticed that if you keep brightness and contrast low and ramp up COLOR this increases the color
depth, brightness and contrast and gives you deeper richer color.
I did this watching the Rugby grand final yesterday and looked great but I crank back color for other TV shows.
This TV almost has too many adjustments and too much variation in the menu options for the various picture modes.
I agree that colors and skin tones in this LS5700 they sell in Australia are very good.

Yes the US model does have those options in standard. I played with them a little with the AVS709 disc and unfortunately had a small effect and could not seem to get all the adjusting that I needed from them. I have to admit standard mode does look good (just not as natural) so if that was all we had I could live with it. I will play around with them when I get a chance. l am very happy with this TV.
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