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post #151 of 730
8/14/12 at 12:14pm
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Originally Posted by barth2k View Post

Well just when I thought I had it decided, this thread is making me rethink.
The condescending tone of people who dismiss the problem is not helping. I don't think people who post in this forum are rubes who don't know what they are doing and leave the TV on 100% contrast and Espn all day. It sounds like you'll get ir from normal usage. By normal, I mean using your TV without constantly minding about how it's used.
I have to ask myself if I want to deal with the hassle. If I'm going to have to watch the ladies watch project runway with a knot in my stomach because of that ugly red lifetime logo. Umm, honey, that's two project runway in a row now. Can you watch something else before you ruin my TV? If I want this much bother, I may as well get a projector and worry about bulb life and on off cycles instead.
At least with LCD, you know the problems are what they are and you're not going to make them worse no matter what you do.
I looked in the owners thread and only reading 2, 3 pages I see people discussing ir.
Arrghh.

That consdecending tone runs both ways, actual owners that have no problems are being ridiculed and called liars. It is up to you but I would listen to an actual owner before listening to someone that doesnt own the set personally. Lots of complaints about IR on last years models also but I own one and not one single issue with IR just goes to show you things get blown way out of proportion here in many cases. I'll call it "slide paranoia" because people notice things on break in slides that 99% will never been seen viewing real content. I've never had one single instance of IR from channel logos tickers and the like and I watch 95% cable programming on my plasma.
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post #152 of 730
8/14/12 at 1:40pm
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Originally Posted by vilago View Post

Can anyone tell me if there is a way to show a full white slide without the screensaver kicking in?
Also, is there a way to adjust the settings (or a built in setting) so that I can create a negative image?

That would be a great feature that I have long wished they would have on plasma sets - to enable an inverse image mode to run for awhile to reverse a specific channel's bright logo IR.

No way to disable the photo viewer screen saver, but i've heard that you could use a slideshow of several different images, all near full white.
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post #153 of 730
8/14/12 at 2:03pm
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Originally Posted by BriscoCountyJr View Post

That would be a great feature that I have long wished they would have on plasma sets - to enable an inverse image mode to run for awhile to reverse a specific channel's bright logo IR.

How would the TV know where the IR was? :P
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post #154 of 730
8/14/12 at 8:08pm
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Originally Posted by BriscoCountyJr View Post

That would be a great feature that I have long wished they would have on plasma sets - to enable an inverse image mode to run for awhile to reverse a specific channel's bright logo IR.
No way to disable the photo viewer screen saver, but i've heard that you could use a slideshow of several different images, all near full white.

Actually, i figured out a better way. I used my WD media player and just plugged the usb drive i was using into that. best part, apart from being able to disable the screensaver, is that I can use the THX mode instead of having to fiddle with the controls to get good color reproduction for the slides.

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Originally Posted by ocellaris View Post

How would the TV know where the IR was? :P

because if you keep everything equal and reverse the image, it will be in the same place.
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post #155 of 730
8/14/12 at 10:00pm
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

My question for you is what do you own personally ? Plasma, LCD and do you have any personal experience with Plasma's or IR ?

LCD /LED Full Rear-Array 55" ... I have Always stayed away from Plasma due to all the issues in the past (and obviously now still the present on a couple)

So let me guess .... I know nothing since I don't have this specific set right? Google is your best friend ... and this set has Major issues with IR that can be read all over the web ... but really other than that .... if this issue did not exist I would 110% have this sitting in my living room right now!

I want a killer set with a great picture and this one as we all know from the reviews wins Hands Down above the rest (very close tie to the Elite of course) but the shortcomings cannot be ignored .... This IR issue is something of deal breaker for MANY regular users like me the thing I would use it for (sports with tickers and logos, network HD with many logos, games with steady HUDS, and just about anything that stays static, etc. etc.).

I know its a Killer TV for watching movies, fast action scenes the blackest of blacks and all that amazing stuff e all love and want ... BUT ... This IR issue something that can Never be ignored, and new buyers like me need to be aware of this issue before making this kind of large dollar purchase.

I wish I could experience this TV myself hands on .. I bet if I did I would think how Amazing the picture is (minus the crappy brightness cause I don;t care what plasma it is the brightness is horrible) and how it looks SO good on high content sources (bluray, etc. .. but very bad on SD from I hear as well) .... but I know I would sit there watching Sportcenter for a few hours and think "ohh goodness I need to change the channel ... I need to turn down the brightness ... I can't watch this 3 hour movie on starz or whatever channel cause the static logo is so bright ... ohhh no I can't game for 2 hours with friends playing call of duty cause I have to worry about the HUD getting retained (let's call it what it is potentially ... burn-in) in my screen.

Those things make this amazing picture PQ and blackest blacks and great action scenes not worth it in my opinion and as I know from the PM's and other sites it's not worth it to many others as well.

This TV is meant for some and not for others ... I am here to make sure the "others" are aware of this issue so they don't end up buying something thats not for them or they regret down the road.

And that's all I gotta say about that! LOL
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post #156 of 730
8/14/12 at 10:10pm
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Originally Posted by falconman515 View Post

LCD /LED Full Rear-Array 55" ... I have Always stayed away from Plasma due to all the issues in the past (and obviously now still the present on a couple)
So let me guess .... I know nothing since I don't have this specific set right? Google is your best friend ... and this set has Major issues with IR that can be read all over the web ... but really other than that .... if this issue did not exist I would 110% have this sitting in my living room right now!
I want a killer set with a great picture and this one as we all know from the reviews wins Hands Down above the rest (very close tie to the Elite of course) but the shortcomings cannot be ignored .... This IR issue is something of deal breaker for MANY regular users like me the thing I would use it for (sports with tickers and logos, network HD with many logos, games with steady HUDS, and just about anything that stays static, etc. etc.).
I know its a Killer TV for watching movies, fast action scenes the blackest of blacks and all that amazing stuff e all love and want ... BUT ... This IR issue something that can Never be ignored, and new buyers like me need to be aware of this issue before making this kind of large dollar purchase.
I wish I could experience this TV myself hands on .. I bet if I did I would think how Amazing the picture is (minus the crappy brightness cause I don;t care what plasma it is the brightness is horrible) and how it looks SO good on high content sources (bluray, etc. .. but very bad on SD from I hear as well) .... but I know I would sit there watching Sportcenter for a few hours and think "ohh goodness I need to change the channel ... I need to turn down the brightness ... I can't watch this 3 hour movie on starz or whatever channel cause the static logo is so bright ... ohhh no I can't game for 2 hours with friends playing call of duty cause I have to worry about the HUD getting retained (let's call it what it is potentially ... burn-in) in my screen.
Those things make this amazing picture PQ and blackest blacks and great action scenes not worth it in my opinion and as I know from the PM's and other sites it's not worth it to many others as well.
This TV is meant for some and not for others ... I am here to make sure the "others" are aware of this issue so they don't end up buying something thats not for them or they regret down the road.
And that's all I gotta say about that! LOL

So assuming you agree that the IR worst case cause by MgO sputtering as discussed in Post 132 and that the fix is running a white screen, why are you so concerned about the IR issue anymore? The information discussed in post 132 can easily be verified with a little bit of research.
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post #157 of 730
8/14/12 at 10:11pm
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Originally Posted by falconman515 View Post


This TV is meant for some and not for others ... I am here to make sure the "others" are aware of this issue so they don't end up buying something thats not for them or they regret down the road.
And that's all I gotta say about that! LOL

Yeah Right! rolleyes.gif
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post #158 of 730
8/14/12 at 10:36pm
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Originally Posted by sonyfan View Post

I don't know about the newer models but In the case of the older Land Rover's the company encouraged buyers
to beat the hell of of them when new and break em in hard.
They were made to take a beating and it had something to do with increasing the life time of the engine, etc.

I really question this. I've never heard of a car maker, or any automotive engineer ever say this, and I worked in the industry. Was this published in the Land Rover owner's manual, or was it just some non-engineer marketing guy shooting his mouth off at a PR event?

Michael
Edited by Michael2000 - 8/14/12 at 10:41pm
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post #159 of 730
8/14/12 at 10:41pm
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Originally Posted by olyteddy View Post

OK. Go outside AVS to Google. 'the myth of image retention' yields about 147,000 hits (many of them expressing that it's not a myth). 'plasma image retention' 209,000.

I just googled "LCD image retention" and got even more results, 291,000. What does that say?

Michael
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post #160 of 730
8/15/12 at 3:59am
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Originally Posted by falconman515 View Post

LCD /LED Full Rear-Array 55" ... I have Always stayed away from Plasma due to all the issues in the past (and obviously now still the present on a couple)
So let me guess .... I know nothing since I don't have this specific set right? Google is your best friend ... and this set has Major issues with IR that can be read all over the web ... but really other than that .... if this issue did not exist I would 110% have this sitting in my living room right now!
I want a killer set with a great picture and this one as we all know from the reviews wins Hands Down above the rest (very close tie to the Elite of course) but the shortcomings cannot be ignored .... This IR issue is something of deal breaker for MANY regular users like me the thing I would use it for (sports with tickers and logos, network HD with many logos, games with steady HUDS, and just about anything that stays static, etc. etc.).
I know its a Killer TV for watching movies, fast action scenes the blackest of blacks and all that amazing stuff e all love and want ... BUT ... This IR issue something that can Never be ignored, and new buyers like me need to be aware of this issue before making this kind of large dollar purchase.
I wish I could experience this TV myself hands on .. I bet if I did I would think how Amazing the picture is (minus the crappy brightness cause I don;t care what plasma it is the brightness is horrible) and how it looks SO good on high content sources (bluray, etc. .. but very bad on SD from I hear as well) .... but I know I would sit there watching Sportcenter for a few hours and think "ohh goodness I need to change the channel ... I need to turn down the brightness ... I can't watch this 3 hour movie on starz or whatever channel cause the static logo is so bright ... ohhh no I can't game for 2 hours with friends playing call of duty cause I have to worry about the HUD getting retained (let's call it what it is potentially ... burn-in) in my screen.
Those things make this amazing picture PQ and blackest blacks and great action scenes not worth it in my opinion and as I know from the PM's and other sites it's not worth it to many others as well.
This TV is meant for some and not for others ... I am here to make sure the "others" are aware of this issue so they don't end up buying something thats not for them or they regret down the road.
And that's all I gotta say about that! LOL

I dont have an ST50 but I have owned several Panasonic Plasmas and never a hint of IR and yes I watch tons of Sportscenter etc. IMO you are paranoid and obviously not a plasma guy. Oh well carry on with your "education" campaign.
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post #161 of 730
8/15/12 at 9:55am
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

I dont have an ST50 but I have owned several Panasonic Plasmas and never a hint of IR and yes I watch tons of Sportscenter etc. IMO you are paranoid and obviously not a plasma guy. Oh well carry on with your "education" campaign.

In all fairness, there are a lot of folks complaining about IR on the 2012 Pannys. I understand the fix (White Screen) and seriously hope some here can verify this fix in the real world. I'm surprised that this fix has not been discussed and confirmed/denied to death on this and other forums. IR is without a doubt the biggest fear factor mentioned here and everywhere else. Simple question for the many true experts that lurk her.e Is MgO the main reason (not only) for IR and will the white screen treatment make it go away?
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post #162 of 730
8/15/12 at 11:18am
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Originally Posted by andy sullivan View Post

In all fairness, there are a lot of folks complaining about IR on the 2012 Pannys. I understand the fix (White Screen) and seriously hope some here can verify this fix in the real world. I'm surprised that this fix has not been discussed and confirmed/denied to death on this and other forums. IR is without a doubt the biggest fear factor mentioned here and everywhere else. Simple question for the many true experts that lurk her.e Is MgO the main reason (not only) for IR and will the white screen treatment make it go away?
I hear ya Andy but same thing happened with last years models, some had IR problems others didnt, no real explanation for it unfortunately. I'm not discounting some folks have IR but I dont think it is rampant, just my opinion tho.
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post #163 of 730
8/15/12 at 11:19am
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Originally Posted by Michael2000 View Post

I really question this. I've never heard of a car maker, or any automotive engineer ever say this, and I worked in the industry. Was this published in the Land Rover owner's manual, or was it just some non-engineer marketing guy shooting his mouth off at a PR event?
Michael

We cant add any facts that counteract the hysteria rolleyes.gif That pulled the wrong quote was responding to your LCD IR search statistics.
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post #164 of 730
8/15/12 at 11:24am
where can i get these "slides" you guys are talking about? or should i just put my new set on a movie channel and let it sit for a few days? i have a new 65" st50 sitting at home and want to break it in the best i can, thanks.
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post #165 of 730
8/15/12 at 11:44am
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Originally Posted by mgrotel View Post

where can i get these "slides" you guys are talking about? or should i just put my new set on a movie channel and let it sit for a few days? i have a new 65" st50 sitting at home and want to break it in the best i can, thanks.

Search for DNICE's settings on HDJ the other forum
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post #166 of 730
8/15/12 at 1:01pm
^ the other forum?
which brings me to another question, on initial startup i selected home use so its not set to the brightest settings, but what else should i adjust for the first 200 or so hours? bring brightness and contrast down? thanks
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post #167 of 730
8/15/12 at 3:01pm
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Originally Posted by mgrotel View Post

where can i get these "slides" you guys are talking about? or should i just put my new set on a movie channel and let it sit for a few days? i have a new 65" st50 sitting at home and want to break it in the best i can, thanks.

Best for cleaning IR is to use the built-in scrolling white bar anti-IR feature frequently as needed.
Also if you can get into the set's service menu there is an aging function that allows you to select from a variety of built-in test screens including a full white screen and the scrolling white bar as well. There you can leave it running indefinitely, whereas the standard scrolling white bar function times out after 15-20 minutes.
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post #168 of 730
8/15/12 at 3:14pm
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Originally Posted by mgrotel View Post

^ the other forum?
which brings me to another question, on initial startup i selected home use so its not set to the brightest settings, but what else should i adjust for the first 200 or so hours? bring brightness and contrast down? thanks

HDJ
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post #169 of 730
8/15/12 at 3:35pm
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

HDJ

In case the poster Mgrotel does not know what HDJ stands for just punch into google "d-nice settings" and the first link (HDJ) will take you to various threads. Go to the first one, a Sticky thread entitled "2012 Panasonic Settings/Issues Thread"
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post #170 of 730
8/15/12 at 3:37pm
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Originally Posted by PeterG View Post

In case the poster Mgrotel does not know what HDJ stands for just punch into google "d-nice settings" and the first link (HDJ) will take you to various posts. Go to the first one, a Sticky thread entitled "2012 Panasonic Settings/Issues Thread"

Thanks for the assist smile.gif
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post #171 of 730
8/15/12 at 3:59pm
hmmm, i cant find the thread, maybe i need to be a member of that forum
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post #172 of 730
8/15/12 at 6:20pm
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Originally Posted by mgrotel View Post

hmmm, i cant find the thread, maybe i need to be a member of that forum

Yes, that is the case.
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post #173 of 730
8/15/12 at 6:41pm
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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

Yes, that is the case.
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Originally Posted by mgrotel View Post

hmmm, i cant find the thread, maybe i need to be a member of that forum

You are quite correct. I logged out and then scrolled down and there was the big banner message.
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post #174 of 730
8/15/12 at 9:46pm
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In case the poster Mgrotel does not know what HDJ stands for just punch into google "d-nice settings" and the first link (HDJ) will take you to various threads. Go to the first one, a Sticky thread entitled "2012 Panasonic Settings/Issues Thread"
Why are you beating around the bush? Is Huddler going to beat me up if I post the link? http://www.**************.com/


OIC, they will....eek.gif
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post #175 of 730
8/15/12 at 9:48pm
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Originally Posted by andy sullivan View Post

So assuming you agree that the IR worst case cause by MgO sputtering as discussed in Post 132 and that the fix is running a white screen, why are you so concerned about the IR issue anymore? The information discussed in post 132 can easily be verified with a little bit of research.

Why do you need a fix on a TV ... Its a flippin TV! Just turn it on and watch TV and turn it off. That's it ... crazy how people think running white screen and this scrolling bar crap makes this issue 'OK" ... to each his own ... have fun babying your television and concerning yourself with preventative measures and all this work after you get the obvious IR.

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Originally Posted by HLdan View Post

Yeah Right! rolleyes.gif

Ohhh ... don't worry bud ... that was just all I had to say in that post ... Way to much fanboy talk here like this is not an issue to let you say this tv is the most amazing thing since sliced bread and make someone buy this for a few thousand dollars to ultimately get and ESPN or video game HUGD logo burned into there screen 2 months later (after the one month return policy of course). People have to know what they are getting into and I thank this thread and Many others for saving me the hassle of getting a tv that has SO many limitations and a horrible issue like this.

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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

I dont have an ST50 but I have owned several Panasonic Plasmas and never a hint of IR and yes I watch tons of Sportscenter etc. IMO you are paranoid and obviously not a plasma guy. Oh well carry on with your "education" campaign.

We're talking about this series of plasmas ... not years past so this means nothing ... doesn't mean this is not an issue on "this" series just because your 5 year old panny plasma didn't do it (every panel is different) ... it's not paranoia, it's just a simple fact stated by many users and a few online reviewers ... facts are facts is all. And thanks ... the campaign will continue ... someone has to fight the BS and fanboy comments on here to save potential buyers from making a mistake (based on their viewing habits of course ... for some this tv may be a dream).
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post #176 of 730
8/15/12 at 9:53pm
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Originally Posted by olyteddy View Post

Why are you beating around the bush? Is Huddler going to beat me up if I post the link? http://www.**************.com/
OIC, they will....eek.gif


*snort*

biggrin.gif

And please, don't post the information here- D-Nice has asked that his settings not be posted anywhere.
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post #177 of 730
8/15/12 at 9:56pm
I don't need some super secret settings, if people want to be that way that's fine. I just want to know how to freaking break it in correctly
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post #178 of 730
8/16/12 at 1:27am
^I'm telling d-nice what you said.
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post #179 of 730
8/16/12 at 1:28am
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Originally Posted by mgrotel View Post

I don't need some super secret settings, if people want to be that way that's fine. I just want to know how to freaking break it in correctly

Come on now! Don't get all crabby. It is a policy of this site and various other similar sites that URLs of other forums not be posted here. You now know what HDJ stands for and have found the site. You simply cannot read the thread that I and others are pointing to because you are not registered. Register there which takes seconds, no cost, no requirement for credit cards or social insurance numbers, and you will be able to see the thread of D-nice.
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post #180 of 730
8/16/12 at 4:47am
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Originally Posted by falconman515 View Post

Why do you need a fix on a TV ... Its a flippin TV! Just turn it on and watch TV and turn it off. That's it ... crazy how people think running white screen and this scrolling bar crap makes this issue 'OK" ... to each his own ... have fun babying your television and concerning yourself with preventative measures and all this work after you get the obvious IR.
Ohhh ... don't worry bud ... that was just all I had to say in that post ... Way to much fanboy talk here like this is not an issue to let you say this tv is the most amazing thing since sliced bread and make someone buy this for a few thousand dollars to ultimately get and ESPN or video game HUGD logo burned into there screen 2 months later (after the one month return policy of course). People have to know what they are getting into and I thank this thread and Many others for saving me the hassle of getting a tv that has SO many limitations and a horrible issue like this.
We're talking about this series of plasmas ... not years past so this means nothing ... doesn't mean this is not an issue on "this" series just because your 5 year old panny plasma didn't do it (every panel is different) ... it's not paranoia, it's just a simple fact stated by many users and a few online reviewers ... facts are facts is all. And thanks ... the campaign will continue ... someone has to fight the BS and fanboy comments on here to save potential buyers from making a mistake (based on their viewing habits of course ... for some this tv may be a dream).

Just fyi I have a 2011 plasma but dont let facts get in the way of your internet worship. You are have just earned inclusion on the ignore list.
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