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post #301 of 730
I'm planning to get a Panasonic plasma soon and am not that worried about IR issues, but I'm a novice about plasma. I've read here about "running the slides". Is there some menu option or something, just for the purpose of breaking in the set, to the 100hr mark I've also read about here? Does the owners manual explain this?
post #302 of 730
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Originally Posted by Rschissler View Post

I'm planning to get a Panasonic plasma soon and am not that worried about IR issues, but I'm a novice about plasma. I've read here about "running the slides". Is there some menu option or something, just for the purpose of breaking in the set, to the 100hr mark I've also read about here? Does the owners manual explain this?

The slides can be downloaded and put onto a usb from a few different places, if you do a search in the Plasma forum there are a number of posts pointing to the locations. Most of the time people either run the slides for the first 100 or so hours to prep the TV for calibration. There are still a large number of people who never run the slides and never have a problem. If you want to, you can run the slides when not watching TV and lower your Contrast\take the tv off of vivd setting......Remember its not something thats mandatory, just something that many do on here to help even things out when the set is most vulnerable to IR.....
post #303 of 730
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Originally Posted by lyrrad721 View Post

^Interesting view. I am running the 100 hour slides with the pixel orbiter off as per the aging instructions. However, should I turn it on afterwards to prevent IR? Is the picture quality affected when having the orbiter on? What do you guys recommend? To my surprise, my new tv had IR from factory, apparently someone left the Service Menu on for quite a long time. Pixel orbiter was enabled and I had to turn it off before beginning the slides. So when the tv was at the factory it had this option on and still got the IR of the Service Menu. I find it scary that I could clearly see the service menu after turning on my tv for the first time with the slides :S
Hopefully this is not a bad omen. Plus, when the white slides are on, the buzzing is heard from 10+ feet away and it's really annoying. I just hope that this is something that can be masked off with audio on and regular HD content. If not, I am returning it to Amazon. With regards to returns, how is the process with Amazon to get a replacement? Do I send mine first or they send the replacement first and then I send the one being returned?

I would put it on, we've never noticed anything with it on and the PQ just constantly blew us away on that set. I don't think you can see individual pixels at viewing distance so I wouldn't worry about it degrading PQ. But try it out and see if you notice, you have it so you can compare. That's interesting that yours came with it on though and good info. I've read that when you put it in certain modes it disables it because they force 1:1 pixel mapping. THX and Game modes do this and the other guy with pics in the owners thread had his in game and didn't change settings and CNET said they put theirs in THX and didn't change any other settings so pixel orbiter was off for both of those cases. It's a pretty bad move on Panasonic's part because most people would probably just put the TV in THX mode and forget about it. That's one of the main selling point of the G series is you can get great picture quality by just putting it in THX and forgetting about it. So they are incenting people to use a mode where they disable the most important safety feature on the TV. Then game mode is the time when you will have the most static images so they disable it at the worst possible time.

That's interesting that yours came with the orbiter on and the IR but we really don't know what happened in the factory we really can't test that but we'll see going forward if people still have problems with the orbiter on. It sounds like if you have 1:1 mapping you can't use the pixel orbiter and if they were running test signals they probably would want 1:1 mapping. I don't think you would want to test a picture while you are flipping pixels. We can't see the pixel orbiter at viewing distance but it probably wouldn't work well with test signals.
Edited by Karn - 10/13/12 at 5:55pm
post #304 of 730
So do ST50s come with the Pixel Orbiter disabled in Custom mode? I might have to check the service menu after doing the slides to see how many hours it has in and verify if this tv was really NEW when I got it. I trust Amazon but having the service menu IR on my new tv is kind of shady when I never went to that menu before...
post #305 of 730
Couple things. I noticed the buzzing too, but only on white slides. I wouldn't worry about it because it takes a lot of energy to make all of the pixels white. This will rarely happen when watching movies etc.

My orbiter was on in default when I first turned mine on. Assuming "enable" means it is already on and not to select it to turn it on. I thought that was a little confusing. Would have been better for panny to have it say "enabled" imo
post #306 of 730
I have about 300 hours on my set, and it's pro calibrated.

I still get a bit of image retention now and again, especially when watching sporting events with static scoreboards and tickers and logos, etc. But, instead of it taking 75 hours for me to get rid of an ESPN logo after watching two football games (like it did when I first bought the display), it takes about an hour of full screen content to get rid of the IR, so the IR issue gets better after a while.

My display does buzz on high contrasts scenes, but it's a soft buzz, and I usually can't hear it over normal volume. I am, however, coming from a Samsung PN59D7000, with it's directional buzz that sounded like standing underneath a power line, so the Panny is a huge improvement in the buzzing department.
post #307 of 730
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Originally Posted by lyrrad721 View Post

^Interesting view. I am running the 100 hour slides with the pixel orbiter off as per the aging instructions. However, should I turn it on afterwards to prevent IR? Is the picture quality affected when having the orbiter on? What do you guys recommend? To my surprise, my new tv had IR from factory, apparently someone left the Service Menu on for quite a long time. Pixel orbiter was enabled and I had to turn it off before beginning the slides. So when the tv was at the factory it had this option on and still got the IR of the Service Menu. I find it scary that I could clearly see the service menu after turning on my tv for the first time with the slides :S
Hopefully this is not a bad omen. Plus, when the white slides are on, the buzzing is heard from 10+ feet away and it's really annoying. I just hope that this is something that can be masked off with audio on and regular HD content. If not, I am returning it to Amazon. With regards to returns, how is the process with Amazon to get a replacement? Do I send mine first or they send the replacement first and then I send the one being returned?

dude don't freak out.
1) the pixel orbiter doesn't effect anything. leave it on all the time. even during "break in" or "slide running"
2) why are you concerned about buzzing at all let alone when you are running an all white slide when it's the worst? I've heard the buzzing and honestly i don't even know why it's an issue. turn on some music or something. you want to hear an annoying sound? turn on my old CRT, that thing squeals like a banshee.
3) if the service menu stuff doesn't go away after about 48 hours, just return it. you have a valid reason for an exchange. ask amazon about their policies we aren't their employees, we just provide informal advice
post #308 of 730
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Originally Posted by lyrrad721 View Post

With regards to returns, how is the process with Amazon to get a replacement? Do I send mine first or they send the replacement first and then I send the one being returned?

I'm going through the process now. In my case they are sending out a replacement, and the when the TV is delivered they will take the defective one back. The label says I have to pay for shipping, but I'll know today what the deal is when they deliver the replacement. The process was pretty straight forward. Only annoying thing was the Amazon CSR I spoke with instructed the shipper to arrange a time when the tv was ready to be delivered locally, instead of arranging it earlier. This added another 5 days to the delivery (weekend). So I had the TV packed up and ready to go, then unpacked it to use for the 5 days, then packed it up again. I think he thought he was doing me a favor, as it was giving me more time to find a different model of TV.


And FYI, it looks like the WMC screensaver caused permanent IR. It didnt go away after two weeks, and I ran a slides for 7 days trying to clear it, and ran the Panasonic demo disc for 1 day. I had friends over to watch Prometheus, and they noticed it on a grey/black screen before the movie played. I'm thinking I should just disable the screen saver in general, even after the break in. I dont want to go through this crap again.
post #309 of 730
If I return mine is because of the extreme buzzing I'm experiencing and the IR of the Service Menu, which oddly enough was there when I got my new tv. Today is the 3rd day of the slides and I can still see the IR in the panel... I'm guessing this could count as a defective unit, do I still have to pay shipping to get a replacement?

I am waiting until tomorrow to start viewing some regular content/light gaming, to see if the buzzing is not a problem when having audio on. If I can still see the IR and the buzzing is still there even with audio on, I am returning it back for a replacement.
Edited by lyrrad721 - 10/15/12 at 1:07pm
post #310 of 730
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Originally Posted by lyrrad721 View Post

If I return mine is because of the extreme buzzing I'm experiencing and the IR of the Service Menu, which oddly enough was there when I got my new tv. Today is the 3rd day of the slides and I can still see the IR in the panel... I'm guessing this could count as a defective unit, do I still have to pay shipping to get a replacement?

Who did you buy your set from? And are you still within their Return Period?

Check with your seller for their precise policies.

Example: Amazon, 30-day return period, they will pay for shipping on the return.

Costco: 90-day return period; you can return set to one of their stores without a return shipping charge (of course) - not clear as to whether or not they will charge you if you must have it picked up by them for the return.
post #311 of 730
Bought it from Amazon. TV arrived on Oct 12, 2012, still within their Return Period.
post #312 of 730
lyrrad,

mine buzzed too with the slides. it is not an issue for normal viewing. especially when you have audio content playing, you will not hear the buzzing. hopefully you didnt buy a nice tv and plan to use the tv speakers only for audio. about the IR, that would be a reason for me to return. I have only seen some slight IR after the slides and it disappears after a few seconds. very happy with the PQ of this tv after the slides. ive watched sports with logos and nothing from that has stayed. there was a short time i had the image for "no signal" or whatever on the screen. this remained for maybe 3 seconds and then was gone. very happy with the tv and glad i havent had a problem with any logo.

different subject, how do you get rid of that stupid advertisement when you first turn on the tv?
post #313 of 730
mgrotel,

The thing is that I've researched a lot on this TV and have seen a lot of people posting that their sets do not buzz at all and that they have to put their ears behind the TV in order to notice it. I'm guessing most of the members that state this didn't run the slides. I will keep updating here after I complete the 100 hour slides.
post #314 of 730
exactly what i am saying, they didnt hear anything with normal viewing, just like i dont with normal viewing. you will never sit down to watch tv and have a full white screen with no audio. the slides will make some buzzing, normal viewing will be fine.
post #315 of 730
I'd also add that I doubt slides would help getting rid of IR. Basically IR is the panel aging unevenly. If you have a bunch of white pixels and a bunch of dark pixels for a long time the white pixels age more than the dark ones. If you play solid color slides that is just going to keep aging all of the pixels at the same rate so those pixels that were aged more will still be aged more than the other pixels. The IR will probably go away with normal TV viewing as eventually the aging will average out.

I guess the other part is pixels age more in the beginning and this aging will slow down over time. So when the set is young 8 hours can make a noticable difference but say when you are 1,000 hours in 8 hours isn't going to make any difference. So I guess if you play those slides long enough it would go away but it would take a while. This is actually a major reason for using the slides is that you don't want to calibrate the set and have the pixels age and then your set drifts away from the calibration. So the slides basically let the pixels age through enough of the drastic period that you can do a calibration without the colors changing dramatically after you do the calibration.
post #316 of 730
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Originally Posted by lyrrad721 View Post

Bought it from Amazon. TV arrived on Oct 12, 2012, still within their Return Period.
return the set, those burned in images won't go away. don't even bother trying. buzzing will be the same on the new set, if it bothers you get an LCD
post #317 of 730
Ok, I made it to page 5 and couldnt read anymore. The attacks against Falcon for experiencing the EXACT same thing I experience is not cool. Here is my story....

bought the 55st50 after I really disliked the 55lg7600. Babied the set for the first 100 hours, slides, no static images, no xbox 360. everything was going great. then I got some nasty quick onset "forever" duration IR. may as well be burn in as far as Im concerned

setting on the tv, since day 1.
contrast 67
brightness 55.
color 53.
pixel orbiter ON

the problem was borderlands 2. I played with my brother for 2 hours one night. Not 8 hours. Im not lying. It started as 30 minute sessions becuase the game gave me really bad motion sickness. So I couldnt (and still cant) play for more than a few hours. So my brother was online one day and got his character upt o level 14. took him 4-5 hours. I joined his game and played for at most 2 hours. thats 6 hours on his ST30, 2 hours on my ST50. The next day I was shocked to see everything burned into the screen from my HUD, I phoned him up and his didnt have even a hint of an image!!!Mine however was another story. not just the white lettering, but the red health meter left a blue image behind. The blue shields left a red image behind. the white lettering leaves gray shadowing. I dont play in game mode becuase the "motion jutter" from 30fps games is awful on this tv, and game mode doesnt let me run motion smoothing (med). So I run it in custom mode, everything off except pixel orbiter and motion smoothing. no torch mode, very low contrast and brightness. Im not lying, or covering my ass. Its the freaking truth.

My panel will retain an image after several seconds of a high contrast image. Like the netflix loading screen. Or as I flip through the dvr menu, the grid of the display gets burned in after a few minutes. It sticks around for hours and hours and hours. the heavy IR from the game is visible OVER normal viewing. Like a shadow or smudge that doesnt move. Its super annoying. I didnt play a game for 8 hours straight, days in a row to make this problem. It was ONE two hour session, and its been stuck on the panel for weeks now. Weeks. that may as well be burn in. Luckily I always buy my electronics from best buy and bought the Protection Plan. The store said I can get a service man to come replace the panel and see if it was just a bad panel. If the next panel burns or retains an image after a few minutes for days, or weeks of retained image after a few hours, they will replace the panel again. After the 3rd time I get my money back.

Im really frustrated with this issue. Im not a troll, but got sick of the attacks on someone who had the same problem as me, and didnt "abuse" the tv to get the problem either. Just had the audacity to watch a program/game with a static image for ~2 hours. Not overnight, not all weekend gaming session. A single 2 hour session and weeks of normal viewing have not fixed the problem. I run the "anti image retention" program in the Tv's menu everynight before bed, and it doenst disappear. Furthermore, the whole screen looks dirty and inconsistent when the "white" is being displayed. I really hope that this is a comparable issue to the IPS lottery issue the LG suffered from. Im running out of rooms and money to put these TV's in.

Im past the return policy, as anyone would be if they had to wait 400 hours to determine if the set works properly.thats like a 36,000 mile warranty for a problem that is "supposed" to work itself out after 50,000 miles. You are out of warranty by the time you realise its broken and not going away but now the manufacturer says tough titties.Yeah, i dont post here all the time. Just when there is an issue and Im looking for help resolving the issue. So low post counts mean nothing, and I laugh at you old timers that think I need to have posted here for months/years and have thousands of posts to be taken seriously. I bought the tv, did what I was supposed to. Low contrast/brightness settings. Slides, limited use of static images. But a single 2 hour gaming session ruined the 4 corners of the screen, and it shows up OVER normal images. Call me a liar if it makes you feel better/bigger/more important/smarter. I dont care. What I do care is that I used this tv as it was supposed to be used, and its suffering TERRIBLY from quick onset "forever" duration IR, which might as well be burn.

btw, my brother on his 55st30 didnt baby it, run slides, anything. He mounted it on the wall and started LONG gaming sessions of Rock Band (talk about static images) MW3, BF3, anything he wanted. He never, not once, had image retention for even a few seconds. Nill, nada, zilch. I get it for hours from looking at the menu and playing with contrast settings. I also get that "raindow static" inside darker shades. its the main reason my contrast and brightness are so low. If I raise it any higher, any dark brown areas on screen develop this random pixel rainbow effect. Like certain pixels fire random colors to make rainbow colored static. at brightness 59 its awful, at 58, its almost gone, at 57 its gone completely. I dont think its normal, but didnt care becuase I could make it go away. my brother said it was from dish network compression, but im not so sure. I find it worth noting that someone else who had quick onset IR ALSO had this rainbow static issue. Im calling best buy to replace the panel, and Im not sure I want to baby the next one. The st30 wasnt babied by my brother, and his works the way it should. Flawlessly.
post #318 of 730
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Originally Posted by vilago View Post

dude don't freak out.
1) the pixel orbiter doesn't effect anything. leave it on all the time. even during "break in" or "slide running"
2) why are you concerned about buzzing at all let alone when you are running an all white slide when it's the worst? I've heard the buzzing and honestly i don't even know why it's an issue. turn on some music or something. you want to hear an annoying sound? turn on my old CRT, that thing squeals like a banshee.
3) if the service menu stuff doesn't go away after about 48 hours, just return it. you have a valid reason for an exchange. ask amazon about their policies we aren't their employees, we just provide informal advice

Sorry that I missed your post...

I'm pretty cool about it, if not, the TV would be on its way back to Amazon by now. I was just surprised about having IR without ever using the TV before.

The buzzing was a concern because a lot of members post that their sets had none. Plus, I can hear it from the kitchen and it tends to get annoying when sitting at viewing distance with my laptop. It sounds like a hair trimming machine. Quite a difference for me as I'm coming from a quite Sammy LCD. Today I'll calibrate it and decide if the buzzing is muted by having the audio on. Will keep an eye on the IR when I get home. Still have high hopes that it'll get away.

Oh, and next time I'll make sure I won't ask questions about store policies. I was trying to get someone with an experience with amazon when dealing with returns.
post #319 of 730
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Originally Posted by vilago View Post

You MUST turn on the "overscan"!
The pixel orbiter relies on the fact that there is "room" around the edges of the image to shift the pixels around. If you don't zoom in a bit, pixel orbiter is disabled by default!!
i onlyw emphasize this because i wish someone had given me this advice in the beginning instead of assuming that IR wouldn't be a problem. learn from my mistakes

this may be part of what happened to me. although to be fair, if you CANT pixel orbit in SCAN 2 mode, then the"pixel orbiter option should be greyed out so you dont think its working. I put my TV in SCAN2 becuase the broderlands game was making me motion sick from too low a FOV. by putting it in scan 2, i was able to see a bit more of the image and gain a slight increase to perceived FOV. but the pixel orbiter is disabled this way? news to me. the tv didnt warn me of it.

And I thought falcon had the TV, I got a little lost after 6 pages. I still think everyone here was being a bit of a "madonna" when it came to their complaints to him. He has a valid point, as evidenced by my tv retaining an image for WEEKS after a single 2 hour game sessio despite being in low contrast settings and pixel orbiters. could it be the overscan2 mode disabling the pixel orbiter, while not actually telling me it disabled i?, quite possibly. Ill turn it back, and if I get the panel replaced, I will NOT put the tv back in SCAN2.
post #320 of 730
So have any of you st50 owners that have experienced quick onset IR noticed that your TVs were more resistant to Image Renention after the break in and/or several hundred hours of use. The ONLY ir that I have experienced on mine was from my Bell logo in my pvr menu and channal guide. I have not noticed it on any other part of the television even though I have watched movies with black bars and channals with logos. I do play xbox and been mostly playing NHL13 with no static logos but I am itching to play Gears of War 3 online . Yes I can play without the HUD but it is something that I depend on and want to leave on. I mostly game for about 2 hours with the occasional 3 hour stints. I had IR after a 3 hour session on my PX80 which took about an hour to fully disapear and was only noticable on a black screen. I am just hoping I didn't get a lemon. I am close to the hundred hour mark and wondering if I should wait a little longer before playing GOW3. The saleperson where I bought the tv said just go ahead and game but I don't want to be stuck seeing ir everytime there is a solid screen on.
post #321 of 730
Could you post some pics of the screen allWhiteMeat? Expecially if you can see this over normal TV content that would be a good shot too. I'm thinking about picking this up and I'd like to see how bad it is.
post #322 of 730
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Originally Posted by Fordman76 View Post

So have any of you st50 owners that have experienced quick onset IR noticed that your TVs were more resistant to Image Renention after the break in and/or several hundred hours of use...... .....

Yes.

Starting at some point past 400 hours usage, IR Onset started to take longer, and IR Duration began to shorten.
Currently, this panel seems no worse in this area than either of our older sets.

Under the Right Circumstances (or Wrong, depending upon point-of-view!), can still demonstrate IR on the panel - but have never considered Short Duration IR as a "real" problem, and am glad to say that that is all our panel demonstrates at this time.

Disclaimer: We do not Game, nor use the set as a Super Large Computer Monitor.....
post #323 of 730
I decided that I'm going to return my 50" plasma and hopefully get a good replacement. Yesterday was the last day for the slides so I went ahead and calibrated the ST50 with D-Nice's settings. The picture quality was superb and I was pretty impressed with the blacks (I watched a little bit of Band of Brothers, Transformers, Kung Fu Panda).

However, the IR on this TV is ridiculous. When I first turned on the TV to put on the slides, I noticed that it came with a pretty bad IR of the Service Menu from the factory. It got a little bit better after 4 days of slides but still could notice it. I went ahead and went to the Service Menu to check if the TV was new or if it was previously owned. Turns out it was a new set but after I turned on the PS3 I noticed that the Service Menu was all over the screen again and also had IR of the Calibration Menu (didn't even take me more than 2 minutes to calibrate the TV). I was not expecting this IR problem to be so evident after aging the TV without watching any other content. Also, the audio in the TV sounded like it was underwater with a weird echo. Maybe I just got a lemon?

Notes: The build date of my TV is September 2012, the panel has ~ 4 vertical bands on the right side, TV was very cool to the touch even though it was on for 24 hours and 4 days straight (slides).
post #324 of 730
how was the buzzing? and i would guess the quality of the speakers is pretty typical of newer HD tvs.
post #325 of 730
on another note, there has been some mention of "scan 2" and "overscan" settings. i tried to go back and find where it was discussed, but was unsuccessful. Where are these settings on the tv menu? and which one is the one that automatically disables the orbiter? i want to avoid the one that disables the orbiter while the tv is new. thanks.
post #326 of 730
The buzzing was muted when having the audio on for the most part. However, I noticed it right away when cruising the TV menu and in Band of Brothers, especially with bright scenes that have low audio levels.
post #327 of 730
If you're so upset about it, just get an LCD. that's what I'm saying to everyone who complains and blames everything on the TV. 100 hours isn't enough break in time IMO and honestly the chances for IR are only reduced over time not eliminated. it's possible you have a defective set but i have never heard of someone having problems that extreme without viewing habits/settings being at least partially to blame.
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Originally Posted by allWhiteMeat View Post

Ok, I made it to page 5 and couldnt read anymore. The attacks against Falcon for experiencing the EXACT same thing I experience is not cool. Here is my story....
bought the 55st50 after I really disliked the 55lg7600. Babied the set for the first 100 hours, slides, no static images, no xbox 360. everything was going great. then I got some nasty quick onset "forever" duration IR. may as well be burn in as far as Im concerned
setting on the tv, since day 1.
contrast 67
brightness 55.
color 53.
pixel orbiter ON
the problem was borderlands 2. I played with my brother for 2 hours one night. Not 8 hours. Im not lying. It started as 30 minute sessions becuase the game gave me really bad motion sickness. So I couldnt (and still cant) play for more than a few hours. So my brother was online one day and got his character upt o level 14. took him 4-5 hours. I joined his game and played for at most 2 hours. thats 6 hours on his ST30, 2 hours on my ST50. The next day I was shocked to see everything burned into the screen from my HUD, I phoned him up and his didnt have even a hint of an image!!!Mine however was another story. not just the white lettering, but the red health meter left a blue image behind. The blue shields left a red image behind. the white lettering leaves gray shadowing. I dont play in game mode becuase the "motion jutter" from 30fps games is awful on this tv, and game mode doesnt let me run motion smoothing (med). So I run it in custom mode, everything off except pixel orbiter and motion smoothing. no torch mode, very low contrast and brightness. Im not lying, or covering my ass. Its the freaking truth.
My panel will retain an image after several seconds of a high contrast image. Like the netflix loading screen. Or as I flip through the dvr menu, the grid of the display gets burned in after a few minutes. It sticks around for hours and hours and hours. the heavy IR from the game is visible OVER normal viewing. Like a shadow or smudge that doesnt move. Its super annoying. I didnt play a game for 8 hours straight, days in a row to make this problem. It was ONE two hour session, and its been stuck on the panel for weeks now. Weeks. that may as well be burn in. Luckily I always buy my electronics from best buy and bought the Protection Plan. The store said I can get a service man to come replace the panel and see if it was just a bad panel. If the next panel burns or retains an image after a few minutes for days, or weeks of retained image after a few hours, they will replace the panel again. After the 3rd time I get my money back.
Im really frustrated with this issue. Im not a troll, but got sick of the attacks on someone who had the same problem as me, and didnt "abuse" the tv to get the problem either. Just had the audacity to watch a program/game with a static image for ~2 hours. Not overnight, not all weekend gaming session. A single 2 hour session and weeks of normal viewing have not fixed the problem. I run the "anti image retention" program in the Tv's menu everynight before bed, and it doenst disappear. Furthermore, the whole screen looks dirty and inconsistent when the "white" is being displayed. I really hope that this is a comparable issue to the IPS lottery issue the LG suffered from. Im running out of rooms and money to put these TV's in.
Im past the return policy, as anyone would be if they had to wait 400 hours to determine if the set works properly.thats like a 36,000 mile warranty for a problem that is "supposed" to work itself out after 50,000 miles. You are out of warranty by the time you realise its broken and not going away but now the manufacturer says tough titties.Yeah, i dont post here all the time. Just when there is an issue and Im looking for help resolving the issue. So low post counts mean nothing, and I laugh at you old timers that think I need to have posted here for months/years and have thousands of posts to be taken seriously. I bought the tv, did what I was supposed to. Low contrast/brightness settings. Slides, limited use of static images. But a single 2 hour gaming session ruined the 4 corners of the screen, and it shows up OVER normal images. Call me a liar if it makes you feel better/bigger/more important/smarter. I dont care. What I do care is that I used this tv as it was supposed to be used, and its suffering TERRIBLY from quick onset "forever" duration IR, which might as well be burn.
btw, my brother on his 55st30 didnt baby it, run slides, anything. He mounted it on the wall and started LONG gaming sessions of Rock Band (talk about static images) MW3, BF3, anything he wanted. He never, not once, had image retention for even a few seconds. Nill, nada, zilch. I get it for hours from looking at the menu and playing with contrast settings. I also get that "raindow static" inside darker shades. its the main reason my contrast and brightness are so low. If I raise it any higher, any dark brown areas on screen develop this random pixel rainbow effect. Like certain pixels fire random colors to make rainbow colored static. at brightness 59 its awful, at 58, its almost gone, at 57 its gone completely. I dont think its normal, but didnt care becuase I could make it go away. my brother said it was from dish network compression, but im not so sure. I find it worth noting that someone else who had quick onset IR ALSO had this rainbow static issue. Im calling best buy to replace the panel, and Im not sure I want to baby the next one. The st30 wasnt babied by my brother, and his works the way it should. Flawlessly.
post #328 of 730
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Originally Posted by mgrotel View Post

on another note, there has been some mention of "scan 2" and "overscan" settings. i tried to go back and find where it was discussed, but was unsuccessful. Where are these settings on the tv menu? and which one is the one that automatically disables the orbiter? i want to avoid the one that disables the orbiter while the tv is new. thanks.

menu, picture, aspect settings, use the one that "displays 95% of the screen"
then pixel orbiter will automatically come on
post #329 of 730
Just wondering where you people are seeing all this IR? Are you seeing it on slides or during regular TV/Movie viewing. I have not babied my TV one bit or ever ran a single slide or even the bars. I play xbox for hours like Mass effect, Spec Ops or anything else and haven't noticed a thing. I even use it as a PC and haven't seen anything.
post #330 of 730
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Originally Posted by lyrrad721 View Post

Sorry that I missed your post...
I'm pretty cool about it, if not, the TV would be on its way back to Amazon by now. I was just surprised about having IR without ever using the TV before.
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that's why i said you should just return it. THAT is definitely a defect/mistake on pana's part and should be replaced. if they were doing some sort of factory testing, some worker might have left it on the entire shift by accident, there's no way of knowing. at this point i seriously doubt it will ever go away.

hopefully the buzzing will be less noticeable to you on the new one, but just be prepared for no difference. that's all i'm trying to say.
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