Panasonic ST50 image retention, please help! - Page 12

Originally Posted by SightSeeker1 

Just wondering where you people are seeing all this IR? Are you seeing it on slides or during regular TV/Movie viewing. I have not babied my TV one bit or ever ran a single slide or even the bars. I play xbox for hours like Mass effect, Spec Ops or anything else and haven't noticed a thing. I even use it as a PC and haven't seen anything.

Originally Posted by vilago 

if you've played mass effect 3 online for any length of time in "cinema" or "thx" mode without pixel orbiter on, then my advice to you is DON'T look at solid colored slides or be prepared to freak out.
IR is like that ugly girl at the bar, once you see it, you can't UNSEE it.

Originally Posted by SightSeeker1 

Just wondering where you people are seeing all this IR? Are you seeing it on slides or during regular TV/Movie viewing. I have not babied my TV one bit or ever ran a single slide or even the bars. I play xbox for hours like Mass effect, Spec Ops or anything else and haven't noticed a thing. I even use it as a PC and haven't seen anything.

Originally Posted by lyrrad721 

One can only hope
I will definitely keep you guys posted. New replacement unit will be delivered by the end of next week.

Originally Posted by SightSeeker1 

I put it in game mode and made adjustments. What I do notice is the streaks from the anti glare coating kind of looks like a dirty screen on whites. I noticed it first on the google homepage screen. I can see it when the set is off too. Kind of annoying but I don't let it get to me.

Originally Posted by TennisFreak 

Wow just found this thread and now I am starting to get worried.
I just bought a 60 inch ST based off all the awesome reviews on the internet about its picture quality.
So far I have only watched about 6 hours of TV on it but as of yet I honestly have not noticed any IR. So far I have watched a Dallas Cowboys football game, a NY Yankees baseball playoff game, and half an episode of The Voice.
I kina wish I had noticed the IR concerns on the set before I bought it. I guess I am going to go home tonight and look for some IR on my set as I had never even considered looking for it.
I only read on article on CNet saying that IR on a plasma is not a real concern and if you just watch the dang thing like normal everything should be ok.
So far I have been blown away by the picture quality and have only noticed some very minor/faint "streaks" when looking at a solid white background. I'm guessing after reading this forum that those minor streaks are coming from the screen filter application.

Originally Posted by vilago 

If you're so upset about it, just get an LCD. that's what I'm saying to everyone who complains and blames everything on the TV. 100 hours isn't enough break in time IMO and honestly the chances for IR are only reduced over time not eliminated. it's possible you have a defective set but i have never heard of someone having problems that extreme without viewing habits/settings being at least partially to blame.

Originally Posted by allWhiteMeat 

Well youve heard of the set having these issues now. I use the tv correctly. Low contrast, low brightness, and properly aged. Thanks for the advice to buy an LCD but I already own one. A 2012 LG, nice model tv. Only it doesnt work well with the xbox. But your generic advice to go LCD must be very wise advice since you tell it to anyone who experiences problems with their set. Because there is no way its the tv's fault, right?
Except in my case at least it absolutely is the fault of the tv. I was able to diagnose a glitch in the pixel orbiter while the TV is in HD size2 mode by placing a piece of silly putty over a fixed point in the displayed image. It never moved. Then I tested size1 with a second spot of silly putty and could watch the image shift. Alot. Back to size2 and still no shifting. I kept going back and forth between size1 and size2, and noticed that every once in a while the HD size2 image no longer lined up with the silly putty so I watched and waited size2 mode again and it was finally shifting, albeit alot less, but moving. Toggled back and forth between size1 and size2 and the pixel orbiter quit working in size2 again. Somehow it doesnt work when it should. Best Buy is going to come look at it, see if manually overriding the orbiter settings fixes the problems in the default user menu. Apparently the service menu allows you to play with the pixel orbiter.
Could this be why some people are having issues? Idk. But its obvious to me that the set is defective, even if u feel its in a trivial way. I shouldn't have to
toggle back and forth over and over between size1 and size2 in hopes that the pixel orbiter starts functioning.

Originally Posted by allWhiteMeat 

Well youve heard of the set having these issues now. I use the tv correctly. Low contrast, low brightness, and properly aged. Thanks for the advice to buy an LCD but I already own one. A 2012 LG, nice model tv. Only it doesnt work well with the xbox. But your generic advice to go LCD must be very wise advice since you tell it to anyone who experiences problems with their set. Because there is no way its the tv's fault, right?
Except in my case at least it absolutely is the fault of the tv. I was able to diagnose a glitch in the pixel orbiter while the TV is in HD size2 mode by placing a piece of silly putty over a fixed point in the displayed image. It never moved. Then I tested size1 with a second spot of silly putty and could watch the image shift. Alot. Back to size2 and still no shifting. I kept going back and forth between size1 and size2, and noticed that every once in a while the HD size2 image no longer lined up with the silly putty so I watched and waited size2 mode again and it was finally shifting, albeit alot less, but moving. Toggled back and forth between size1 and size2 and the pixel orbiter quit working in size2 again. Somehow it doesnt work when it should. Best Buy is going to come look at it, see if manually overriding the orbiter settings fixes the problems in the default user menu. Apparently the service menu allows you to play with the pixel orbiter.
Could this be why some people are having issues? Idk. But its obvious to me that the set is defective, even if u feel its in a trivial way. I shouldn't have to toggle back and forth over and over between size1 and size2 in hopes that the pixel orbiter starts functioning.

Originally Posted by vilago 

By saying to get an LCD i'm saying LCDs don't have burn in therefore if the risk of burn in bothers you then get the LCD (at a significant loss in PQ) so that you don't have to worry. i don't say that this set or others specifically have a "defect". The pixel orbter thing sounds weird, but I don't really know how it is supposed to work. i also dont' know if it is making that much of a difference in your particular case being on or off because of the level of severity IR you say you have.

Originally Posted by Karn 

Could you show some pics of your IR? It sounds pretty severe and I'l like to see how it looks since I'm interested in this set. Thanks!

Originally Posted by mgrotel 

Yea, I'd like to see some pictures too

Originally Posted by allWhiteMeat 

Here is the deal with pics imo. Too take a pic of IR i would need to do a full colored slide. A pic of normal programming doesnt show the IR even though you can see it while viewing. In pics the IR blends in like shadows or camouflage. But when the image is moving the contrast between the static IR against the changing background makes it look like somebody put a greasy smudge on the tv. Did I explain that clearly? I could take a full colored slide but Im sure I would get an onslaught of "you only see that because its a full screen slide".
Im actually more concerned wity this green static im getting over most of the color spectrum now. Its really bad after I updated the firmware to 1.2 from 0.2 something. I saw a vid on youtube, exactly what Im having an issue with. You can see/sense the glittering effect from normal viewing distance. Its in the menu too, so its not an hdmi cable or provider signal issue.

Originally Posted by lyrrad721 

I received my replacement 50" ST50 a few days ago. I finished the slides and the buzzing is still there, altough it is slightly less. The image retention seems pretty evident though. For example, if I'm at the Menu calibrating it and then turn on the PS3, I can see the Menu settings all over the place. I can also see it whenever a BD displays their Warnings before the movie menu comes up. They do get away after a few minutes though, but I find it pretty distracting and unacceptable for a TV to retain images so quickly and I haven't even started gaming. I can see the IR at viewing distance (8.5 ft). My question is, is this IR behavior that common throughout these sets? Have you guys experienced this also?
I forgot to add, I'm willing to give it a third try as the image quality and black levels are incredible and would not settle for less right now after experiencing it. It's just the IR that's worrying me.

Originally Posted by vilago 

there's always going to be some risidual IR and it depends on what follows the offending object. For instance, when you first turn it on, there's a viera logo and if it immediately follows on a grey or lighter shade you'll see the residual logo for a little bit. There really is nothing you can do about this, i'm fairly confident any plasma you buy will do it.
As for the buzzing, I have a theory. Just last night I noticed it being louder than usual. It didn't bother me, but I was worried that the sudden increase in the buzzing meant that it was damaged somehow. Interestingly, the buzzing was still there when the tv was OFF and the only way it would go away is if I unplugged it. after a while of plugging and unplugging things and google search I came to find out it was the CFL bulb in my dimmer lamp plugged in on the other side of the room causing the buzzing. my point is, the buzzing might just be caused by some electromagnetic interference from something else in the room or even the house. my suggestion to you is to plug in just the tv and turn everything else in the house off to eliminate the possiblity of interference.

Originally Posted by evident 

did the 100 hours slides thing, varied all of my tv/movie watchings for the first full week of owning this tv (after the 100 hours of slides....

Originally Posted by EricST 

With all the BAD reviews and issues in this thread, I would love to read a equal amount of good reports. I want a plasma but gee, come on already.This thread should be titled Panasonic ST50 reasons NOT to buy it. Its funny how CNET and everyone else that professorially reviewed this series say nothing about Buzz or IR , I mean come on,they must of watched the set for more then 2 hrs to make the review.

Originally Posted by Daimroc 

I have a 42ST50 and I have a logo retention. I have used snow channel with dynamic mode, that I have read that is a good option, however, when the TV is 30 minutes on, it shoutdown, because it does not get signal. is it possible to configure the TV to not shutdown after 30 minutes?
Other thing that I notice is that when I use the snow channel, after 5 minutes the TV reduce the contrast, like a "eco mode" but I have disabled all the eco adjust, so I think that I lost eficient.
By the moment, I get a snow video that I play with snow ( a video from pixel protector utilities), and I have used it for a week 1 hour in the morning and 1 hour in the afternoon, but I still can see a bit sadhow of the logo. I notice this logo in normal view, in some circunstances, and if I use the scroll bar, I can see it. It is true that in some passes of the scroll bar it likes that there is nothing, but if you know how to see, you can see it.
Always, since I have the televisión, the fist thing that I do is set the contrast to 20, and now, that I see that the logo is not completly go, I set the contrast to 15, and I use the snow video 3 hours in the morning and 3 hours in the afternoon in the last three days, but the sadhow is not reduced, I don't notice any result.
is it possible that this is a burn? If I continue with snow, the logo will go in the future? which is the best way to wash the logo? I am doing something wrong?
Thanks.
Daimroc.

Originally Posted by EricST 

With all the BAD reviews and issues in this thread, I would love to read a equal amount of good reports. I want a plasma but gee, come on already.This thread should be titled Panasonic ST50 reasons NOT to buy it. Its funny how CNET and everyone else that professorially reviewed this series say nothing about Buzz or IR , I mean come on,they must of watched the set for more then 2 hrs to make the review.

Originally Posted by oztech 

You have to remember that all products get bashed on these forums do to real circumstances or fans of the competition repeating things from other posters whether they actually own said product, just look and sort it out most of us know how good the set is and if another mfg makes a set better for the price then most of us will be in line for the purchase.

Originally Posted by jsnyder82 

I assume you mean you have a 42UT50. They never made an ST50 in the 42" size.
It's possible that what you have is burn in. But I suspect that if you give it enough time, it will eventually go away.
They say with plasmas that you should break them in for between 100-200 hours. But man, with these new Panasonics, it's more like 500 hours. My plasma is finally getting to a point where persistent IR is not as much of a problem. Meanwhile, my E6500 Samsung has never had a single instance of IR.