Panasonic ST50 image retention, please help! - Page 24

Originally Posted by mikediamond 

Thank you, I have reiterated several times in this thread, that the pixel orbiter is FAR more effective when the TV is set to "size 1" overscan. Give it a try, people.

Originally Posted by mikediamond 

Thank you, I have reiterated several times in this thread, that the pixel orbiter is FAR more effective when the TV is set to "size 1" overscan. Give it a try, people.

Originally Posted by Make73 

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57449881-221/samsung-plasma-wins-cnets-accidental-burn-in-test/
As a "test" it's valid enough: each plasma was brand-new as far as we know (the manufacturers could have surreptitiously aged them before sending them to us, but we doubt it), each was set to the default "Movie" or "THX Cinema" mode with no other changes made to the default settings, and each ran for the same amount of time with the same material.

If burn-in is not common problem, it´s pretty strange that c|net got two bad units, just a bad luck?

btw, I hope c|net update their Long-term plasma TV test also at this 2013 year.

Originally Posted by Wolowizard 

Just so you know, you're one of many. There are a lot of us that are perfectly happy, we just get tired of posting in this and some other threads because of the attacks/insults from frustrated (ex-)owners. But, it's good to have happy owners like yourself post every once in a while for potential buyers that might be passing through. It is impressive though, when people can tell you what your TV is experiencing based on their own statistically signficant sample size of 2-3 TVs. lol

Originally Posted by mikediamond 

Thank you, I have reiterated several times in this thread, that the pixel orbiter is FAR more effective when the TV is set to "size 1" overscan. Give it a try, people.

Originally Posted by JumboSausage 

Right I've read through this entire thread and many others on these plasmas. I also have two friends that own 55VT50's. So firstly let me start by saying I so much wanted to purchase one one I'm afraid it was just too much of a risk and to be honest would have been quite ridicules to do so.

Both my friends have had the IR problems and have had to return the sets for this very reason. they both love movies and now use them exclusively for this purposes and haven't suffered with IR since. Now this is all very good and well but for your average Joe like myself I would want this set to watch everything from Sports, Movies, News channels, normal TV kids cartoons, xbox360 etc etc and this TV simply put is a NO NO for general use.

I'm not disputing that the picture quality is the best and that these TV's used for Movies are fantastic but as I said both my friends had problems watching anything other than movies. They went through all the recommended 200+ hours before hand but there is simply no getting away from the fact these Tv's aren't meant as an everyday family TV. The abuse Falcon got earlier in this thread was quite ridiculous as he was merely pointing out to people the problems with this TV for your Average Joe.

Listen, I'm not a fan boy for any brand, style or anything else for that matter but the thought of having to baby this TV and have the constant worry of IR is enough of a reason to stay clear. Why so many people are disputing these issue's as not a big deal is baffling to me. My guess is if these folks used the TV as my friends initially did then they too would more than likely experience these problems.

So by all means get one of these Plasmas but just know this is a specialist set and if you plan on using for everyday use without having to wipe it's arse you are seriously rolling the dice. I've held out for two years on a new TV purchase and as much as I wanted to own this TV I've had to face up to the fact that for my use it would be a too risky purchase.


I just want a TV I can plug in, watch what the hell I want, when I want without worry and there is plenty of excellent LED's out there that will be more than satisfactory. Maybe if I had the money to purchase two sets I would still get this set and run it for Blue Rays only but I'm not in that position.

Originally Posted by chunon 

Nice first post, most of what you say is inaccurate but hey carry on, I watch whatever I want for as long as I want on my plasma. I am getting a new VT50 today and don't plan on doing anything different with it. I'll be back here to report no IR problems but will you be ? Not sure what the intent of you post is, you don't own a plasma but a friend of a friend of a friend has IR ? Plasmas are not specialist sets and are great for sports, movies and even gaming if you are responsible. They hysteria on here is what is ridiculous, yes some sets show IR but that is not every set.

Originally Posted by JumboSausage 

Right I've read through this entire thread and many others on these plasmas. I also have two friends that own 55VT50's. So firstly let me start by saying I so much wanted to purchase one one I'm afraid it was just too much of a risk and to be honest would have been quite ridicules to do so.

Both my friends have had the IR problems and have had to return the sets for this very reason. they both love movies and now use them exclusively for this purposes and haven't suffered with IR since. Now this is all very good and well but for your average Joe like myself I would want this set to watch everything from Sports, Movies, News channels, normal TV kids cartoons, xbox360 etc etc and this TV simply put is a NO NO for general use.

I'm not disputing that the picture quality is the best and that these TV's used for Movies are fantastic but as I said both my friends had problems watching anything other than movies. They went through all the recommended 200+ hours before hand but there is simply no getting away from the fact these Tv's aren't meant as an everyday family TV. The abuse Falcon got earlier in this thread was quite ridiculous as he was merely pointing out to people the problems with this TV for your Average Joe.

Listen, I'm not a fan boy for any brand, style or anything else for that matter but the thought of having to baby this TV and have the constant worry of IR is enough of a reason to stay clear. Why so many people are disputing these issue's as not a big deal is baffling to me. My guess is if these folks used the TV as my friends initially did then they too would more than likely experience these problems.

So by all means get one of these Plasmas but just know this is a specialist set and if you plan on using for everyday use without having to wipe it's arse you are seriously rolling the dice. I've held out for two years on a new TV purchase and as much as I wanted to own this TV I've had to face up to the fact that for my use it would be a too risky purchase.


I just want a TV I can plug in, watch what the hell I want, when I want without worry and there is plenty of excellent LED's out there that will be more than satisfactory. Maybe if I had the money to purchase two sets I would still get this set and run it for Blue Rays only but I'm not in that position.

Originally Posted by sheshechic 

It's really too bad that you've talked yourself out of enjoying this wonderful tech, because it seems that you have a nicely balanced viewing diet, which is all that these tvs really need.

You state that you're not a fan boy of any kind, well I don't know if you're in denial or if you just intend to distract, because you see, you are a fan of lcd/led. You say that you haven't bought a tv in at least 2 years but you don't say what you currently own or whether you've seen any current LEDs. If you have then you know that they are not without their problems, problems that are always apparent and cannot be avoided or overcome. Are you just ignorant of those facts? Or are you indeed a fanboy who came with the intent of bashing and influencing new buyers? You just haven't provided enough information for me to even make safe assumptions where those questions are concerned.

I'm sure you will enjoy your led purchases, but you won't be able to hold your head up among your VT owning friends without looking foolish. However, they will will either wonder about you or feel sorry for you. Enjoy.

Originally Posted by JumboSausage 



I've been considering a new TV for 2 years but I've actually had my current set for about 8 years. It's not even full HD. It's an old Samsung LCD LE32R41BX so as you can see I'm long over due a new purchase. I've been open to both technology's and was more than anything wanting to get a Plasma specifically the Panny VT. And I'm not a fanboy (hate that pathetic word, but it get's banded about here so I'll use it) the fact is I'm still looking for a new set. It just baffles me and seriously stops me getting one knowing the problems my friends had. It's only when I visited the likes of this site that I realised it was a lot wider problem than I first thought.


I know LED's have there problems too but it seems a safer bet as a family TV than a plasma would be. That is all I'm saying here.

Originally Posted by JumboSausage 

I've been considering a new TV for 2 years but I've actually had my current set for about 8 years. It's not even full HD. It's an old Samsung LCD LE32R41BX so as you can see I'm long over due a new purchase. I've been open to both technology's and was more than anything wanting to get a Plasma specifically the Panny VT. And I'm not a fanboy (hate that pathetic word, but it get's banded about here so I'll use it) the fact is I'm still looking for a new set. It just baffles me and seriously stops me getting one knowing the problems my friends had. It's only when I visited the likes of this site that I realised it was a lot wider problem than I first thought.


I know LED's have there problems too but it seems a safer bet as a family TV than a plasma would be. That is all I'm saying here.

Originally Posted by JSpectre88 


I think an LED is a safer bet also. Not all Panny's get IR, but you're playing a bit of a lottery with them. At the very least I would buy one with a very good return policy. I don't know whether those without IR issues are the majority or the minority, but it's definitely a problem either way. My TV is prone to IR but I still watch and do whatever I want on it. Generally it's not a big deal, but it does force me to be more proactive than I would like to be if I have to remove said IR.

Originally Posted by sheshechic 

Can your problem IR be seen with normal content and without hunting for it?

It's not a "lottery," it's most often user related.

Originally Posted by JSpectre88 

See, this is what I don't understand. If someone says they can see IR clearly on a slide, that means it's clearly seen on the TV also. The slides aren't magic, if IR shows up well on them, you can bet it's visible during normal content.

Yes, all the IR I have ever gotten can be seen on normal content, from regular viewing distance. It's better now that the set has aged some, but it's still pretty sensitive. "Lottery", may be excessive, because i don't know the extent of just what % of TV's suffer from IR, but there's some risk involved.

Originally Posted by sheshechic 

I have an old LG LCD in my office and it is what I get to see most since I work from home. It's a great picture with only the slightest light bleed and no flash lighting. Trying to find a panel like that today is like looking for a needle in a haystack. I find it funny when people avoid plasma because of fear that they may get IR and yet accept that they will always see flash lighting, clouding and/or backlight bleed. Most complaints of IR are irrational- never really seeing it on normal content and/or having to hunt for it. In addition, some achieve stubborn true IR by abusing the tv, or not feeding it a balanced diet, ie:, only watching Fox News or Disney, or using it for gaming and not much more.

I know that posts in forums like this and reviews can be scary. My advice is to also carefully consider the replies. I have a GT50 and have never seen anything beyond the fainest hint of IR and that was when I ran the scroller (only ran it 3 times since June). Hubby watches the tv a lot, so that is a lot of sports and I watch MSNBC while cooking and while we eat dinner together. My husband surfs a lot and we also watch a lot of different kinds of movies including animated movies. When I first got the set I did nothing beyond letting my tv run for 24 hours on an HD channel with relatively little logos. I don't know if that did anything other than to break in the pixels and allow me to see a improvement in picture quality much more quickly than I would have otherwise. I personally don't think it did, but there is argument that the tv is much more susceptible to IR in the first 100 hours. I don't know if that is fact or not. Anyway, we use our plasma like a tv, like we would any other tv-period.

Originally Posted by rogo 

Disagree.
No one is saying your situation isn't real, but I'm quite sure there is plenty of temporary image retention that can only be realistically noticed during watching slides.

And slides are, in fact, "magic." They hold a static, one-color background on the screen. Against that, the subtlest deviation from the solid color field would be noticeable.

A really good example would be to try to see the word "Menu" on the screen in normal content if you left the menus up for like 10 minutes. I doubt very much anyone with normal settings could see the word from normal viewing distances. But against a solid background, the idea that a very subtle outline of it wouldn't shock me. It would probably be gone pretty quickly, too, but it might be there.

(I should add that I've observed image retention on my TV only once and it was during calibration. I've actually tried "torture testing" it other times to try to get something to stick with no success. Even the calibration-related stuff was gone so quickly, I can't make much sense out of it. But that said, from the many comments here at AVS, especially regarding logos, I am confident there is a difference between what most people can see against a slide vs. what they see in regular content. In fact, much of the image-retention commentary from people experiencing it says, "I can only see it against the slides." This of course raises the question, "Why are you watching slides then?" but that's for another day.)

Originally Posted by prateek33 

Man I was about to preorder my panny st60 when I just read this thread.
Now I'm so confused about getting a panny plasma. Are there any Samsung plasma which do not or suffer less IR than the panny?

What should I do what should I do? Nail biting

I don't want to go down led path. I don't want to be the unlucky one to get IR problem on a new plasma (my 1st)
I'm starting to panic...

Originally Posted by Camster 

Most of us are having no IR issues at all. I'm not saying people aren't either though but my 65" has been flawless in this & all other regards. Simply an amazing tv. So my vote is pull the trigger!!!

Cam

Originally Posted by Camster 

Most of us are having no IR issues at all. I'm not saying people aren't either though but my 65" has been flawless in this & all other regards. Simply an amazing tv. So my vote is pull the trigger!!!

Cam