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post #1051 of 1654
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Originally Posted by red_5ive View Post

Question for you. On you Samsung TV, did you configure the HDMI input with your cable service? The reason why I ask is, I have a lower model version of your Samsung set (7000 series), and I had all kinds of problems with the set constantly looking for an HDMI signal from the default cable service source, and it would lose audio and sometimes even a complete handshake with a simple source switch with my 3010. I finally decided to reset my TV and not configure the HDMI input with cable service. I also disabled Samsung Anynet+ (HDMI-CEC). I've been a happy camper ever since.

Just a thought.
The CEC is disabled. HDMI 1 is configured for FIOS however I am using a TiVo Premier box. The only real issue is switching from the TiVo to the tuner and that is when there is no audio and it is intermittent.
post #1052 of 1654
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Originally Posted by Ross Ridge View Post

If disabling HDMI Control (which also disables ARC) doesn't fix your problem then nothing likely will.
So in other words this is an anomaly probably related to my HT setup and not a defective receiver?
post #1053 of 1654
If it's not a HDMI Control (CEC) problem, then I can't think of anything that would cause the problem you've noticed. It could be something wrong with your receiver or maybe bad reception. The HD Radio apparently doesn't pick up stations as well as a plain AM/FM tuner, but it don't know how poor reception would cause the symptoms you described.

If it's an HDMI Control problem then you could have this problem or problems like it with any AV receiver, Yamaha or not. If it's something else then replacing it with another manufacturer's model might solve the problem.
post #1054 of 1654
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Originally Posted by floridaman View Post

So in other words this is an anomaly probably related to my HT setup and not a defective receiver?
Just the fact that 2 different receivers have done the same thing would lead me to believe that. Plus the fact that it is intermittent. What the cause is though I really cant imagine.
post #1055 of 1654
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Originally Posted by Ross Ridge View Post

If it's not a HDMI Control (CEC) problem, then I can't think of anything that would cause the problem you've noticed. It could be something wrong with your receiver or maybe bad reception. The HD Radio apparently doesn't pick up stations as well as a plain AM/FM tuner, but it don't know how poor reception would cause the symptoms you described.

If it's an HDMI Control problem then you could have this problem or problems like it with any AV receiver, Yamaha or not. If it's something else then replacing it with another manufacturer's model might solve the problem.
It definitely isn't a reception issue because the radio station shows it is tuned on the display. Also if I switch to AM there is no static and there should be as there is no antenna hooked up for AM. I have the option of swapping for a new 3030 or I can get the Pioneer SC-77. Problem is I like the features on the Yamaha especially the HD radio and Pioneer doesn't offer this. Since two receivers have exhibited the same issue it is likely the third Yamaha will do the same thing. Thanks for your feedback.
post #1056 of 1654
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Just the fact that 2 different receivers have done the same thing would lead me to believe that. Plus the fact that it is intermittent. What the cause is though I really cant imagine.
The more I think about this it might be the TiVo Premier causing the issue. The problem only happens when switching from the DVR input and is intermittent. I have also noticed some sound issues when fast forwarding or rewinding a program on the DVR. The sound will cut out and I have to change the channel to get the sound back. I recall that this issue happened on my RX-A710 and the 3030 replaced that unit.
post #1057 of 1654
Hello,

I finally have a properly working RX-A1020 (long story, that one) so am now exploring all its capabilities. I wanted to check out some higher-resolution recordings on my new system (KEF T305 system) so grabbed some old DVD-Audio discs and my old Oppo DVD player (that decodes DVD-Audio) to take a listen.

First DVD-A disc was Dire Straits' Brothers in Arms. Brilliant. All worked fine when selecting the DVD-Audio option. 5.1 channels of MLP lossless awesome.

Second disc: Neil Young's Harvest. Here my problems started. When selecting the DVD-Audio option, the receiver showed PCM but only output two channels (stereo). I switched to the DTS layer and had the receiver do the decoding and got the 5.1 channels fine, but I could only get the 5.1 DVD-Audio layer to play two channels.

Third disc: Queen's A Night at the Opera. Same issue as with the Neil Young disc: Chose the MLP lossless 5.1 channel option, but only get two channels. Again, it works fine (and sounds great) when choosing the DTS option and having the receiver do the decode.

So my question is, why can't I get multi-channel DVD-Audio on some discs? I have ensured that the Oppo setting is to DVD-Audio. The audio info from the receiver indicates 96/24 PCM, but only 2-channel.

Oh, and I am using HDMI as the output from the Oppo to the RX-A1020 (as opposed to individual channel outputs from the Oppo).

Any ideas?

Thanks.
post #1058 of 1654
The receiver is showing stereo PCM because that's what it's receiving.

Are you sure the later discs actually have lossless 5.1 tracks and that you have selected them rather than any stereo lossless tracks they may have?
post #1059 of 1654
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Originally Posted by mgarofan View Post

Hello,

I finally have a properly working RX-A1020 (long story, that one) so am now exploring all its capabilities. I wanted to check out some higher-resolution recordings on my new system (KEF T305 system) so grabbed some old DVD-Audio discs and my old Oppo DVD player (that decodes DVD-Audio) to take a listen.

First DVD-A disc was Dire Straits' Brothers in Arms. Brilliant. All worked fine when selecting the DVD-Audio option. 5.1 channels of MLP lossless awesome.

Second disc: Neil Young's Harvest. Here my problems started. When selecting the DVD-Audio option, the receiver showed PCM but only output two channels (stereo). I switched to the DTS layer and had the receiver do the decoding and got the 5.1 channels fine, but I could only get the 5.1 DVD-Audio layer to play two channels.

Third disc: Queen's A Night at the Opera. Same issue as with the Neil Young disc: Chose the MLP lossless 5.1 channel option, but only get two channels. Again, it works fine (and sounds great) when choosing the DTS option and having the receiver do the decode.

So my question is, why can't I get multi-channel DVD-Audio on some discs? I have ensured that the Oppo setting is to DVD-Audio. The audio info from the receiver indicates 96/24 PCM, but only 2-channel.

Oh, and I am using HDMI as the output from the Oppo to the RX-A1020 (as opposed to individual channel outputs from the Oppo).

Any ideas?

Thanks.

Make sure the Oppo is not set to 480i.
post #1060 of 1654
Thanks for the responses.

Yes, Ross Ridge, discs indicate support for 5.1 MLP lossless and I confirmed that it is selected. There is a 2-channel option on the disc as well and the output is the same as 5.1 when selected.

Yes, FilmMaker, I have confirmed that HDMI is set to a resolution exceeding 480i (set to 1080p).
post #1061 of 1654
Hi everyone,
I wanna join A3020 family, but I had some question.

My cinema room uses 5.1 system, and I have 3 zones/3-pair 8ohms 6inch in-wall speaker.
I just looked at the RX-A3020 manual can only offer more then 2 zones. What is the best way to setup the speakers?
or can I just simply wire 2-pairs 8 ohms speaker in zone2 jack?

thanks for help.
post #1062 of 1654
How can I get the amplifier to act as an audio output device in my PC when using HDMI without having the TV on? For windows (8) to recognize it as a sound card I need to turn on both the amp and the TV which is quite annoying for music listening.
Edited by draenor - 8/24/13 at 3:39pm
post #1063 of 1654
Just bought a 2020 Yama today to replace my Onkyo tr-sx875 (need more hdmi and 3d). After roomcorrection setup and test i throw it back in the box again. Sounded soo bad. So stiff and "burky" sound in the center speaker. And the surround feeling was total crap compared. I tried all different DSP but it felt so weak the sound. The Onkyo is way more "filler of the room" and warmer sound.

What do i do wrong? They should be equal in power. ANy tips for me to get this powerful sound im used to?

Speakers are:

B&W setup

DM683 fronts
HTM61 Center
DS3 back
& infinity bass
post #1064 of 1654
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Originally Posted by acesh00t View Post

Just bought a 2020 Yama today to replace my Onkyo tr-sx875 (need more hdmi and 3d). After roomcorrection setup and test i throw it back in the box again. Sounded soo bad. So stiff and "burky" sound in the center speaker. And the surround feeling was total crap compared. I tried all different DSP but it felt so weak the sound. The Onkyo is way more "filler of the room" and warmer sound.

What do i do wrong? They should be equal in power. ANy tips for me to get this powerful sound im used to?

Speakers are:

B&W setup

DM683 fronts
HTM61 Center
DS3 back
& infinity bass

Make sure YPAO mic top is flat and straight up in position and at your ear level in height before you run it. My experience is if you lean it back or place it significantly away from your seating position this can have a big effect on results. Since you have a subwoofer, set LCR to small and crossover to 80 after YPAO runs and increase the level of the sub by 3 or 4 db.
post #1065 of 1654
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Originally Posted by dsinger View Post

Since you have a subwoofer, set LCR to small and crossover to 80 after YPAO runs and increase the level of the sub by 3 or 4 db.

Yes. I think YPAO is good but it has a nasty habit of setting front left and right to large, when they are obviously small, and the sub too low. As good as audyssey to me though.
post #1066 of 1654
I just found a great deal on the 1020 at BB. Hooked it up late Sat. night and was fairly impressed with the sound out of the box. (It was the display model, FWIW). Watched Eagles"Hell Freeezes Over" and the a little of the Dark Night Rises and thought the sound was pretty good, although I couldn't find how to make the rear surrounds work. So I ran YPAO last night. Good news is the rear surrounds work. Bad news is the sound is not what I had hoped. YPAO made ALL my speakers large (Front Polk A8s, center CS2, front and side surrounds RCi8 in wall),

I changed all the speakers to small and then listened to the Eagles again. My goodness, the bass guitar sounds like it's a toy. Putting it on Direct is the only way I can even listen to it. I found if I set the fronts on large, the sound of the bass guitar was MUCH better. I also don't care for ANY of the YPAO settings (flat, front, or natural). They all color the vocals unnaturally.. They also seem to make the surround sound tinny and fake, I do like the manual sound or the 'through' sound

Then when watched a little of the Dark Night, there was no low bass (I guess you already figured that) until I switched the fronts to small again.

I only ran YPAO once using a tripod set at my listening height, on my chair.

Please give my some suggestions to improve the unit. First impression was good, second is bad. As it is now, I think this unit beats the Denon with music, but not so with movies.
Edited by guest68 - 8/26/13 at 7:53pm
post #1067 of 1654
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Originally Posted by guest68 View Post

I just found a great deal on the 1020 at BB. Hooked it up late Sat. night and was fairly impressed with the sound out of the box. (It was the display model, FWIW). Watched Eagles"Hell Freeezes Over" and the a little of Black Noght and thought the sound was pretty good, although I couldn't find how to make the rear surrounds work. So I ran YPAO last night. Good news is the rear surrounds work. Bad news is the sound is not what I had hoped. YPAO made ALL my speakers large (Front Polk A8s, center CS2, front and side surrounds RCi8 in wall),

I changed all the speakers to small and then listened to the Eagles again. My goodness, the bass guitar sounds like it's a toy. Putting it on Direct is the only way I can even listen to it. I found if I set the fronts on large, the sound of the bass guitar was MUCH better. I also don't care for ANY of the YPAO settings (flat, front, or natural). They all color the vocals unnaturally.. They also seem to make the surround sound tinny and fake, I do like the manual sound or the 'through' sound

Then when watched a little of the Black Night, there was no low bass (I guess you already figured that) until I switched the fronts to small again.

I only ran YPAO once using a tripod set at my listening height, on my chair.

Please give my some suggestions to improve the unit. First impression was good, second is bad. As it is now, I think this unit beats the Denon with music, but not so with movies.
Sounds like you need to play with your subwoofer xover.
post #1068 of 1654
Have a question for the gurus out there. I just picked up a 3020 last night to replace a 3010. My question is, should I expect to see significantly different EQ curves, particularly in favor of higher frequencies? For example, with the Natural EQ, the 3010 YPAO set the 16kHz filter for right channel to -1.5db Q5, but the 3020 YPAO set the same channel/filter to +4.5db Q5. I gave it a listen with music and movies, and all I could do was cringe. I should note that I'm using external amplification on all channels, but they're the same amps that I used with the 3010, no changes there.

I've run multiple calibrations and have even tried the 3010 mic to rule out a possible problem with the 3020 mic, but the results were generally the same. I even threw the 3010 back in to the setup and I'm getting the same YPAO results as I had previously, which are favorably different from the 3020 results. On top of that, in Through and Pure Direct modes, the 3020 still sounds particularly thin and boxy compared to my 3010 which even in those modes sounds very neutral yet open. The 3020 just sounds like a different beast, which I honestly was not expecting. Is this normal/expected?
post #1069 of 1654
Can bluetooth be added to the RX-A3020?
post #1070 of 1654
Except through a generic Bluetooth to analogue audio device, no you can't add Bluetooth to the RX-A3020. For many purposes you can use WiFi, the Yamaha App and/or DLNA to accomplish the same thing.
post #1071 of 1654
Thanks Ross Ridge. I have a bluetooth speaker. I was hoping I could connect it to the yamaha.
post #1072 of 1654
No, Bluetooth only works with AV receivers in the other direction. If a receiver supports Bluetooth then it can only be used to send audio to the receiver. Bluetooth headphones and speakers won't work with any receiver.
post #1073 of 1654
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Originally Posted by Ross Ridge View Post

No, Bluetooth only works with AV receivers in the other direction. If a receiver supports Bluetooth then it can only be used to send audio to the receiver. Bluetooth headphones and speakers won't work with any receiver.

Ahhh ok got it. Thanks!
post #1074 of 1654
Hi all, Quick question. Doe the 3020 have a LPF for LFE. I setup manually and the only x-overs I get are for me speakers that are set to small. Now I know that's were they roll off but what about the LFE channel. Do I need to use the x-over in my Velodyne? I find it extremely strange that a receiver of this caliber has no LFE LPF. Please any info would be extremely helpful.

Thanks
Joe
post #1075 of 1654
There's no need for an LPF for LFE setting. The sub always plays the entire LFE channel (up to the 120Hz limit of that channel). Even when such a setting exists the recommendation is to leave it at 120Hz. And leave the LPF on your sub at max (or bypass) as well.
post #1076 of 1654
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

There's no need for an LPF for LFE setting. The sub always plays the entire LFE channel (up to the 120Hz limit of that channel). Even when such a setting exists the recommendation is to leave it at 120Hz. And leave the LPF on your sub at max (or bypass) as well.

The LFE channel can contain full range information up to 20kHz. It is no different than any other channel in that respect.

Some codecs provide filtering. But DTS-HD MA, as an example, maintains the entire bandwidth of what's fed into the encoder....

If attention wasn't paid during the contents creation there may be information in the source that you don't want to hear.
post #1077 of 1654
Since lossy DD and DTS do have a 120Hz limit for LFE, it seems to be a common misconception that it applies to all codecs (e.g. see this Ask Audyssey answer).

And this page claims the DTS-HD decoder applies a low-pass filter even though the LFE channel is encoded full range.

Maybe Yamaha has a fixed 120Hz LPF for LFE, but I've never heard of people complaining they were missing that feature.
post #1078 of 1654
Yamaha receivers, or at least the high-end 2010 and 2011 models that I've seen the schematics for, have fixed low-pass analogue filters for their subwoofer pre-outs. They seem to be in the 400 Hz or so range though.
post #1079 of 1654
I just picked up a 2020 on clearance at BB today to replace my Onkyo HT-RC370.
I originally wanted to get Onkyo 828 or 929 and neither were available, then I noticed the clearance price on the 2020.
At 40lbs, it is pretty heavy.
More heavy lifting for Labor Day weekend...
post #1080 of 1654
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Originally Posted by FilmMixer View Post

The LFE channel can contain full range information up to 20kHz. It is no different than any other channel in that respect.

Some codecs provide filtering. But DTS-HD MA, as an example, maintains the entire bandwidth of what's fed into the encoder....

If attention wasn't paid during the contents creation there may be information in the source that you don't want to hear.

That is correct. So than are you saying I should use the LPF in my Velodyne and set it between 80-120hz. Is this what is recommended due to yamaha not having a dedicated LFE LPF or should I leave it as passive. I just don't what it to be x-overed in the receiver and the sub.

Thanks
Joe
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