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post #1351 of 1654
Does the A2020 not display DTS-HD or TrueHD on the front? Mine is set on standard and that's what it says on the front.

Anybody know what it's supposed to display when playing DTS-HD or TrueHD?
post #1352 of 1654
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Originally Posted by sage97 View Post

Does the A2020 not display DTS-HD or TrueHD on the front? Mine is set on standard and that's what it says on the front.

Anybody know what it's supposed to display when playing DTS-HD or TrueHD?
Hit the Info button repeatedly.
post #1353 of 1654
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Hit the Info button repeatedly.

Thank you Bond 007.

It now says PCM. From what I've read in previous posts, this means that it is now playing DTS-HD. The player is decoding and not the receiver which is why the receiver doesn't display this.

Is my understanding correct?
post #1354 of 1654
Yes, the player is decoding. Whether its DTS-HD or not I couldnt say. If thats what the source is then that would be safe to assume.
post #1355 of 1654
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Heh -- sounds like me!  Last week I replaced a Denon AVR-4800 with a 2020 for the same reason. I'm without a TV/display until tomorrow, though, so all I've used the 2020 for so far is listening to my iPod Touch and FM radio.

I think I've got everything set up where I want. First impressions? Sounds really, really good.....but......so did the old Denon 4802. In fact, I can't honestly say that I'm hearing dramatic improvement.

What has your experience been so far?
post #1356 of 1654
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Originally Posted by sage97 View Post


I think I've got everything set up where I want. First impressions? Sounds really, really good.....but......so did the old Denon 4802. In fact, I can't honestly say that I'm hearing dramatic improvement.

What has your experience been so far?


I'm not really an audiophile -- my hearing acuity doesn't allow that level of discrimination. But, that said, my new system sounds at least as good to me as the old. I did add a powered subwoofer a couple of days ago; the old system didn't have one. As originally noted, my fundamental motivation for the new system was to get HD streaming video sources.

post #1357 of 1654
Today I ordered the Yamaha RX-V1073, which should essentially be a Yamaha RX-A1020 without the fifth leg and the Aventage logo
Does anybody own this model?
post #1358 of 1654
I am really not feeling the love from my 1020 yet... I upgraded from an Onkyo 608 and was quite excited when I got the Yamaha based on reviews and thinking it would be significantly superior to the Onkyo ... However so far I find it pretty lacking in bass and maybe even loudness... Although the latter might be a byproduct of lower bass..

I ran the Ypao and speaker distances seem OK... Levels were auto set.. I turned up the center speaker to 2db... Sub set to +1 and 80hz..i turned up bass from the options menu to +1 as well.. Currently also trying it at 100hz to see if I can squeeze some more out of the sub but nothing noticeable so far... (onkyo did not have this issue!)

Also in general the bass is particularly bad with non DD/DTS or non HD audio sources... In fact sometimes my sub won't turn auto on when playing a video with a two channel source! On the contrast my Onkyo had a good bass presence with even non DD/DTS/HD audio sources and also at low volumes... I think the dynamic eq of the onkyo may have played a part in this.. Nevertheless it was much better!

Not sure if my amp just doesn't like my speaker set.. It's running the KEF 3005se speakers and sub... The sub is set to its default 0db setting as always (as opposed to +6 or +12)..dont see why I should have to boost this from the sub if I am suppose to have one of the best amps out there!

Anyone have any insights?

Ps checked all the wiring and ran test tones etc and all is fine...all speakers are set to small.
Edited by MNKhawaja - 12/4/13 at 8:38am
post #1359 of 1654
What did you tell it about your speakers (small/large)?????
post #1360 of 1654

all small

 

should I be using the Volume Trim options from the 'Options' menu and try increasing the input level or the dB options from the 'Setup' menu (i.e. individual speaker configuration)?

 

whats the difference between the two?

post #1361 of 1654
So I am just now setting up my 1020 for the first time, coming from a Denon 891 and RA800 that got lit up in an electric storm recently. I never had bass issues with my A800 and don't remember the setting BUT I do remember with the Denon, if the Audyssey setup changed the speaker level more than a few dB, I'd increase/decrease the amplifier level on the sub and re-run things. ALSO, make sure you've disabled the crossover on your sub. More knowledgeable guys may have better answers. I'm a weekend warrior on this one and once I set it, I forget it, and it was a couple years ago that I last "set it" smile.gif

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Originally Posted by MNKhawaja View Post

all small

should I be using the Volume Trim options from the 'Options' menu and try increasing the input level or the dB options from the 'Setup' menu (i.e. individual speaker configuration)?

whats the difference between the two?
post #1362 of 1654
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Originally Posted by MNKhawaja View Post

...so far I find it pretty lacking in bass and maybe even loudness... Although the latter might be a byproduct of lower bass..

I ran the Ypao and speaker distances seem OK... Levels were auto set.. I turned up the center speaker to 2db... Sub set to +1 and 80hz..i turned up bass from the options menu to +1 as well.. Currently also trying it at 100hz to see if I can squeeze some more out of the sub but nothing noticeable so far... (onkyo did not have this issue!)

Small adjustments like +1 on the levels won't have much effect. Just turn up the sub's own volume control until you have the amount of bass you want. The Yamaha's sub output may be a different level (lower) than your old receiver, but that's not a sign there's anything wrong. You have to set the sub itself to a suitable volume that's compatible with the output level of the receiver.
post #1363 of 1654
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Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

Small adjustments like +1 on the levels won't have much effect. Just turn up the sub's own volume control until you have the amount of bass you want. The Yamaha's sub output may be a different level (lower) than your old receiver, but that's not a sign there's anything wrong. You have to set the sub itself to a suitable volume that's compatible with the output level of the receiver.

Agree. Recently measured db levels with a sound meter after running YPAO on a 3020. Setup is 9.2 with a RXV 2700 powering the L&R. 3020 set to 9 channel + front. All speakers came in at 74-75 db EXCEPT the subs. They both measured 68-69 db. Reran YPAO and measured again with same result. Before testing results with meter, I had always added 4-5 db to sub results for added bass. I now use the meter to set the subs to 78-79 after running YPAO.

Hadn't mentioned this before because find was recent and I thought something in how my system was setup was the cause. Perhaps not and Yamaha has a bug.
post #1364 of 1654
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Originally Posted by dsinger View Post

All speakers came in at 74-75 db EXCEPT the subs. They both measured 68-69 db. Reran YPAO and measured again with same result. Before testing results with meter, I had always added 4-5 db to sub results for added bass.


Do you get the same results (sub level) using single and multiple positions? I find (RX-A820) using more than one position YPAO "averages" out the results and to a large degree sets the levels closer to zero. As an example with one pass my center typically gets set to -4 (relative to the fronts - close to other EQ systems). If I do multiple positions it ends up at or close to 0. One time using multiple positions I used more positions on one side of the room and it went negative on that side's speakers. Previously it set them at 0 when I did each side equally.

 

Way back I posted images of single and multiple positions results (showing how the levels were different) in one of the other Yamaha threads...

post #1365 of 1654
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Originally Posted by brec View Post


I'm not really an audiophile -- my hearing acuity doesn't allow that level of discrimination. But, that said, my new system sounds at least as good to me as the old. I did add a powered subwoofer a couple of days ago; the old system didn't have one. As originally noted, my fundamental motivation for the new system was to get HD streaming video sources.

Cool. Glad you're enjoying your system. Thanks very much.
Edited by sage97 - 12/4/13 at 5:38pm
post #1366 of 1654
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Originally Posted by Charles R View Post


Do you get the same results (sub level) using single and multiple positions? I find (RX-A820) using more than one position YPAO "averages" out the results and to a large degree sets the levels closer to zero. As an example with one pass my center typically gets set to -4 (relative to the fronts - close to other EQ systems). If I do multiple positions it ends up at or close to 0. One time using multiple positions I used more positions on one side of the room and it went negative on that side's speakers. Previously it set them at 0 when I did each side equally.

Way back I posted images of single and multiple positions results (showing how the levels were different) in one of the other Yamaha threads...

All YPAO measuring done for a single position. YPAO results are very consistent from one run to another. At most 1 db difference. What caused me to bring out the audio meter was that after I connected the 2700 to power the L&R, the bass level seemed to drop on source material where you would expect lots of bass (i.e. Pacific Rim). This caused me to revisit bass reference sources (Attack of the Clones) and it was very apparent there. 2700 is connected properly (I think) and with volume set at +2 produces ~ 75db for the L&R.
Edited by dsinger - 12/5/13 at 5:23am
post #1367 of 1654
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Yes, the player is decoding. Whether its DTS-HD or not I couldnt say. If thats what the source is then that would be safe to assume.

I got it to work thanks to Crutchield tech support. The yamaha tech support was useless.

On the PS4 while the Bluray is playing, I go to options and select bitstream direct. The A2020 does the decoding and displays DTS-HD. Way cool. smile.gif

The 2020 is a keeper. I'll get the wifi adaptor tonight.
post #1368 of 1654
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Originally Posted by sage97 View Post

I got it to work thanks to Crutchield tech support. The yamaha tech support was useless.

On the PS4 while the Bluray is playing, I go to options and select bitstream direct. The A2020 does the decoding and displays DTS-HD. Way cool. smile.gif

The 2020 is a keeper. I'll get the wifi adaptor tonight.
You never mentioned it was a PS4 or I could have told you that. Glad you got it how you want it.
post #1369 of 1654
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

You never mentioned it was a PS4 or I could have told you that. Glad you got it how you want it.

D'oh! You could've saved me all the trouble. At least it's working now.

Thanks Bond.
post #1370 of 1654

ok I have now accepted the fact that my Yamaha 1020 and Onkyo 608 are quite different amps...

 

while the Onkyo was more in your face and made it's presence felt even at lower volumes, the Yamaha is more refined and delivers a punch where warranted and not merely to show off it can!  Overall I've found it to be crisper and clearer than the Onkyo.

 

 I've set my sub at +6db from it's own control settings and kept the Yamaha at +0db....the bass response has improved noticeably... I also use volume trim to increase the default volume a notch since I'm used to having a highish volume at mid/lower volume settings

 

One thing I'm uncertain about is whether to use the dialogue level feature from the options menu or to just increase the center speaker for better dialogue clarity...will the former take away detail? I think the dialogue seems clearer using the former.

 

have read some places that using adaptive DRC helps but others say that takes away from the overall detail!....

 

also not sure if I should be using the DSP modes (scifi, action etc) or only straight audio! which DSP modes do you guys find work best with action movies?

post #1371 of 1654
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Originally Posted by MNKhawaja View Post

ok I have now accepted the fact that my Yamaha 1020 and Onkyo 608 are quite different amps...

while the Onkyo was more in your face and made it's presence felt even at lower volumes, the Yamaha is more refined and delivers a punch where warranted and not merely to show off it can!  Overall I've found it to be crisper and clearer than the Onkyo.

 I've set my sub at +6db from it's own control settings and kept the Yamaha at +0db....the bass response has improved noticeably... I also use volume trim to increase the default volume a notch since I'm used to having a highish volume at mid/lower volume settings

One thing I'm uncertain about is whether to use the dialogue level feature from the options menu or to just increase the center speaker for better dialogue clarity...will the former take away detail? I think the dialogue seems clearer using the former.

have read some places that using adaptive DRC helps but others say that takes away from the overall detail!....

also not sure if I should be using the DSP modes (scifi, action etc) or only straight audio! which DSP modes do you guys find work best with action movies?

Ha! Same exact questions I've been meaning to ask. I'll keep a close eye on the answers.
post #1372 of 1654
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Originally Posted by MNKhawaja View Post
 

ok I have now accepted the fact that my Yamaha 1020 and Onkyo 608 are quite different amps...

 

while the Onkyo was more in your face and made it's presence felt even at lower volumes, the Yamaha is more refined and delivers a punch where warranted and not merely to show off it can!  Overall I've found it to be crisper and clearer than the Onkyo.

 

 I've set my sub at +6db from it's own control settings and kept the Yamaha at +0db....the bass response has improved noticeably... I also use volume trim to increase the default volume a notch since I'm used to having a highish volume at mid/lower volume settings

 

One thing I'm uncertain about is whether to use the dialogue level feature from the options menu or to just increase the center speaker for better dialogue clarity...will the former take away detail? I think the dialogue seems clearer using the former.

 

have read some places that using adaptive DRC helps but others say that takes away from the overall detail!....

 

also not sure if I should be using the DSP modes (scifi, action etc) or only straight audio! which DSP modes do you guys find work best with action movies?

 

MNK,

I too came from an Onkyo (609) to a X020 Yamaha.  I thought the same thing as far as low volume differences between the two.  I'm guessing you had your Dynamic EQ and/or Dynamic Volume turned on on your Onkyo.  The Yamaha does have the Dynamic DRC and Dynamic Range that are similar, but the changes aren't quite as dramatic as the Audyssey settings.  I have my Dynamic Range set to Maximum and the Dynamic DRC turned off. I don't think the Dynamic DRC takes away from detail, it just narrows the volume differences between explosions and dialogue (i believe).

 

I've never used the dialogue level.

 

I use straight for music and bluray.  I use the the "Movie Theater Standard" when watching Uverse.

post #1373 of 1654
Yes, you are spot on. I have been used to the Onkyo's dynamic eq at a light setting...I have DRC set to off on the yamaha as well...

Thanks, will try your dsp settings and see how it goes!
Edited by MNKhawaja - 12/6/13 at 11:35am
post #1374 of 1654
Anyone know what the bypass settings on the bass and treble are for... What does it bypass to?
post #1375 of 1654
Bass or treble bypass physically bypass the bass or treble circuits. Tone control is an analog function, so bypassing the circuit should reduce noise slightly (but it will be hard to tell the difference).
post #1376 of 1654
I have a strange situation with my Yamaha Rx-a1020. I noticed this a while back and only recently tried to resolve it to no avail. I found some posts with a similar issue as mine but no resolution.

The photos and videos the receiver finds via DLNA are shown grayed out and inaccessible. This includes files from three different sources. I also have an Oppo BD-103 which can access the file files fine so I'm sure it is the receiver.

It seems there must be a simple reason for this but I haven't found it yet.

Any ideas?

Thank you.
post #1377 of 1654
Yamaha receivers don't support viewing pictures or movies using DLNA or USB.
post #1378 of 1654
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Originally Posted by Ross Ridge View Post

Yamaha receivers don't support viewing pictures or movies using DLNA or USB.

Really? I'm fairly certain I viewed some pics early on when I first set it up.
post #1379 of 1654
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Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

Bass or treble bypass physically bypass the bass or treble circuits. Tone control is an analog function, so bypassing the circuit should reduce noise slightly (but it will be hard to tell the difference).

wouldn't bass and treble settings be included as part of the auto calibration? I think the default setting was bypass.

post #1380 of 1654
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Originally Posted by MNKhawaja View Post

wouldn't bass and treble settings be included as part of the auto calibration? I think the default setting was bypass.

The auto calibration doesn't use the tone controls (bass and treble), it uses the parametric equalizer (PEQ) which is a set of digital filters.
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