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post #481 of 1657
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Originally Posted by timmay77 View Post

I can't seem to find a dedicated RX-A820 thread, I hope it is ok to ask these questions here......
I would like to run 9.1...
You can't go more than 7.1 with the 820, even if you add an external amp. You need the 2020 for 9.1, and the 3020 for 11.1.
post #482 of 1657
I am looking for help with my RX-A820. I came home last night (I left the unit on for the dog when I was out); there was no sound from the unit but the small red light next to the Main power switch was on (as it should be). When I pushed the main power button, the small red light started flashing. Checking the manual, it says that I've had 3 consecutive activations of the protection circuitry and that I now need to take the unit in for repair. Since the nearest repair facility is ~500 miles away (Atlanta), I'd like to know if I have any options:

-if I find that one of my speakers has shorted and that that is the problem, is there a fuse or reset switch in the RX that I can replace/reset myself?

-is there an initialize function to restart the system that isn't covered in the owners manual?

-any other ideas?

Thx,

Steve Dow
post #483 of 1657
Question does everyone see this problem?

RX-A3020 When the receiver is being fed DD 2.0 signal and Pro-Logic is enabled the info display on the front panel toggles between Dolby-Digital and Pro-Logic every few seconds. It only happens with DD 2.0 input. If the signal is PCM/DTS-MA/DD 5.1 it stays stable. Any ideas?

rgds Damon
post #484 of 1657
ProLogic II (without an 'x') only works with stereo input signals. If the input is already in a multichannel format then ProLogic isn't used and so isn't displayed on the front panel. This is true for any input format that has more than two channels, even if only two channels are actually used and the rest are silent.

If you don't want the display to flash then press the Info button on the remote to display the "DSP Program" instead. If you don't want ProLogic II to applied to stereo sources then use the "STRAIGHT" DSP mode.
post #485 of 1657
So how much of a difference is there in sound quality between the 3020 & 2020? Spec wise they seem to be the same other than 10 more watts/ch for the 3020. Any input would be wonderful. Thanks.
post #486 of 1657
The 3020 does have several extra features (e.g. it supports 11 channels instead of 9, and gives you more control over the video processing). If you download the manual (which is for both the 3020 and 2020), then search the PDF for the text "3020 only", you'll find most of the differences.

For sound quality I haven't heard them but they should be very similar. However, the 3020 does have more expensive DACs (assuming the DACs haven't changed since the A2000/3000 days, because that's the latest service manual I have). It certainly used to be the case that the 30xx had DSD1796 DACs vs PCM1789 in the 20xx. For one thing that means only the 30xx can play DSD from a SACD disc without first converting it to PCM (in Pure Direct mode), but not many would care about that.
post #487 of 1657
Am debating whether to go with 1020 or 2020. The attraction of the 2020 is HQV but am wondering if it will make a difference for my purposes.
Have a 720p Plasma and watch mostly over the air and netflix. Would the chip improve either of those?
Thanks for your input.
post #488 of 1657
hey guys i was wondering if i can run my yamaha a2000 at 6 ohm instead of 8, i know it will be running hotter but the amp is open and gets plent of air,

i just switched out my speakers from klipsch rf52ii to bowers and wilkins 683s and follwing it up with a new htm1 center speaker

i know these b&w speakers are much more power hungry then my old klipsch rf52s

eventually i will be purchasing a emotiva 3 channel xpa 3 amp to help in the power department,

also i know the subject has been brought up a million times what about bi-amping them as well since i never use my 3rd zone ?

thanks for you input guys
post #489 of 1657
I have discovered an oddity in the way the YPAO automatic setup process has setup my subwoofer. The YPAO distance measurements for the FL, FR, CTR, SL, SR are all more-or-less the same as the physical distances to the listener. In my room, the subwoofer is physically located at the front left corner of the room and about 60..70cm further away from the listener than the FL speaker; whereas the YPAO distance measurement reports the subwoofer as being almost 1 meter closer than the FL. How can this be? And what should I do about it? Is it better to leave the settings as they are - assuming that what the microphone "heard" must be good. Or should I tweak the settings manually?
post #490 of 1657
It's more common that the sub measures further away, because of internal delays. Measuring closer can be because sound is being transmitted through the floor to the mic (and it travels faster than in air, so it seems closer). You could set it to the true distance, but a 1m distance error for the sub is not likely to make an audible difference anyway.
post #491 of 1657
pick up my RX-A 3020 $1600 plus tax.. I'm a happy camper.. is there a connection issue with the 3020 hdmi and the Oppo BDp-103 unit also?
post #492 of 1657
Good price on the 3020 - was the purchase from an authorized dealer? If so, could you PM me with the seller details? There's an eBay seller with some 3020s for around that price, but it's a "self" warranty, which implies grey market to me.
post #493 of 1657
Quick question about the 2020, can it set different crossover points for each speaker or is that a "global" setting?

Edit: Nevermind, I found it. It does.
Edited by mnc - 3/8/13 at 6:53am
post #494 of 1657
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Originally Posted by DrZaus View Post

pick up my RX-A 3020 $1600 plus tax.. I'm a happy camper.. is there a connection issue with the 3020 hdmi and the Oppo BDp-103 unit also?

Yes, but it seems Oppo have a fix (although it's not yet generally released).
post #495 of 1657
I have a 3020 and 9 speakers. So, I have a choice: Front or Rear presence. Any thoughts on which would have the greatest impact on listning experience?
post #496 of 1657
With 9 speakers your choices are 7.1 + front presence, or 5.1 + front and rear presence. I'd probably go with the former, especially if you're expecting to play Blu-Rays or other 7.1 source material, but I haven't personally compared the two.
post #497 of 1657


Thinking of getting a second sub, but can't find a matching Maple/Black VPS210. Anyone have one they're selling or know of a place to get one?
post #498 of 1657
Just curious - I have a A3020 and I'm wondering if anyone has looked at the information screen during FLAC playback.

I have a handful of test 24/48 and 24/96 FLAC files on a DLNA server, as I'm in the process of testing a few backends to rip loseless CDs and have them available Jukebox style. The A3020 would be one of my playback sources.

I would hit the 'On Screen' and go to the "Information" and when playing back 24/48 or 24/96 FLAC files, the sample rate is reported at 44.1KHz on the screen. At first I thought it might have been my server, but I couldn't find a reason why it would happen.

So I copied my 24/48 and 24/96 FLAC files to a USB flash drive and plugged them into the USB port on the front of the 3020 and played them back - and the Info screen still says 44.1KHz sample rate for both types of files when played back off the locally connected USB stick (no network).

Is this a bug in the Yamaha info screen displaying bad information or is something more sinister happening? I verified all soundfield processing and enhancer is OFF. 'straight' mode.

If anyone else has a 24/96 FLAC file on a USB drive, could you check and tell me if you're getting the same report from the info screen when played back through the USB input?

Thanks!
Edited by danox574 - 3/11/13 at 8:54pm
post #499 of 1657
Hello. I have the A1020 coming tomorrow and I have a few questions I was hoping someone could help me with. It is replacing a 12 year old Sony (DA50?) which died.

The A1020 is rated at 110w with 2 channels driven. The Sony was rated at 100w with all channels driven. Will the A1020 have enough power to run 5.1 with powered sub at the levels I am use to?

Also, currently my powered sub is being driven from the front right speaker which is set to LARGE. I did this so music from CDs, VCR and the radio could use the sub. If I use the RCA sub output of the A1020 to drive the sub, will the sub still be used when playing CDs, radio, etc?

The Sony had a mode which would play back DVDs as recorded, no formatting, no image enhancement, etc. I assume the A1020 will have the same feature in addition to adding vitrual theater mode (what Sony called it)? Is there a mode in the A1020 that people like to use to enhance the surround sound?

Lastly, I will need to know the MAC address of the A1020 so I can use on my WIFI. Is that easy to find in the settings?

Thanks for your input.

JC
post #500 of 1657
The power of the RX-A1020, and pretty much any receiver, is enough to drive most speakers to loud levels in any size of room you'd normally find in a house without noticable distortion. If you set the speakers to small and connect your subwoofer directly to receiver then the low frequencies in all the channels will be redirected to the subwoofer.

The receiver has a "Pure Direct" mode which disables all processing. This also disables YPAO (room correction) and the bass management like the subwoofer redirection I described in the previous paragraph. There is also a "Straight" mode which disables any processing except YPAO and bass management.

You can easy find your receiver's MAC address from the network information screen.
post #501 of 1657
Thank you for your quick reply. I need to figure out how I want to set the sub up. Right now my front speakers are full range floor speakers whose bass is very good. I don't think setting the front speakers to SMALL and relying on only the sub for the bass would sound good. ( I assume there is an LFE+MAIN option in the A1020?)

But if I can adjust the crossover on the front speakers set to SMALL to the sub crossover, then maybe I can get the A1020 to do what I want. I guess tomorrow I will know! smile.gif

JC
post #502 of 1657
Here is the best info I could find. Was looking at them in the store yesterday.

http://asia.yamaha.com/en/products/audio-visual/av-receivers-amps/aventage/rx-a1020_g/?mode=model#tab=product_lineup

Edit: Some well known online store this past weekend had these models with $500-$710 promotional gift cards... didn't bite, silly me. eek.gif
Edited by Bob7145 - 3/13/13 at 1:12am
post #503 of 1657
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Originally Posted by joecatch View Post

Thank you for your quick reply. I need to figure out how I want to set the sub up. Right now my front speakers are full range floor speakers whose bass is very good. I don't think setting the front speakers to SMALL and relying on only the sub for the bass would sound good. ( I assume there is an LFE+MAIN option in the A1020?)

But if I can adjust the crossover on the front speakers set to SMALL to the sub crossover, then maybe I can get the A1020 to do what I want. I guess tomorrow I will know! smile.gif

On the 1020 you can adjust the crossover but it will apply to all speakers set as Small (the 2020 would let you have a different crossover for the fronts). You'll have to compare Small with a suitable crossover vs Large vs Large + Extra Bass to see which you prefer. Obviously Small will give you more headroom to play louder since the bass only goes to the sub.
post #504 of 1657
URGENT HELP NEEDED:

I don't know what the heck happen but my 52" Panasonic plasma TV has stopped working after connecting my new A1020 to it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I used a HDMI cable that I have been using for a long time to connect the HDMI output from the A1020 to the HDMI input of the TV. It was working for 30 mins and then suddenly the TV turned off and it won't turn back on.

I tried unplugging the TV for 20 mins but it didn't help. The TV will not power up again, even with the HDMI cable unplugged.

I don't see how in the world the HDMI cable could mess up the TV. But it is either that or a freak coincidnence and the TV just happen to die today.

ANY ONE HAVE ANY INPUT??? My wfie, who frowned on me spending $1000 on a receiver, will kill me if now I say we need a new TV.

(TV is about 3 - 4 years old).

JC
post #505 of 1657
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Originally Posted by joecatch View Post

URGENT HELP NEEDED:

I don't know what the heck happen but my 52" Panasonic plasma TV has stopped working after connecting my new A1020 to it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I used a HDMI cable that I have been using for a long time to connect the HDMI output from the A1020 to the HDMI input of the TV. It was working for 30 mins and then suddenly the TV turned off and it won't turn back on.

I tried unplugging the TV for 20 mins but it didn't help. The TV will not power up again, even with the HDMI cable unplugged.

I don't see how in the world the HDMI cable could mess up the TV. But it is either that or a freak coincidnence and the TV just happen to die today.

ANY ONE HAVE ANY INPUT??? My wfie, who frowned on me spending $1000 on a receiver, will kill me if now I say we need a new TV.

(TV is about 3 - 4 years old).

JC

I don't see how the receiver would cause damage to the tv. Do you have another tv that you could connect the receiver to? That way you can rule out the receiver as the culprit. If the 1020 is working fine it sounds to me like a freak coincidence. Hope you get it sorted out.
post #506 of 1657
Yes, looks like I got it fixed, a bad power cable to the tv. Working with all the wires around the TV must have distrubed the power cord of the TV. It is in a hard place to reach as it plugs back into the tv and tv is wall mounted.

But I resolved the issue and I have spent all day playing with the A1020. I have a couple of issues that I am working thru. Overall, it seems to be working fine.

JC
post #507 of 1657
I recently bought the 2020 and I simply love it. I owned a defective Onkyo 609 so the difference is quite substantial. I browsed through the entire thread looking for things to try out so thank you guys! biggrin.gif
post #508 of 1657
Well, I seemed to have discovered a small "bummer" on my A1020. The S/PDIF Toslink optical digital audio monitor output does not output a digital audio signal in certain instances; specifically, the Phono Analog Input (for turntable) does not get converted to digital for output over this connection... at least, I haven't been able to figure out how to make this happen if it is possible.

I expected an A-to-D conversion on the connection, since the HDMI circuits seem to be able to upconvert any analog video signal, which is an advertized selling feature for this receiver. However, in the case of the Toslink Optical monitor, the little red light in the output jack actually goes out when switching from, say CD S/PDIF Digital Audio In, to Phono Analog In. The DSP circuits are on and processing the turntable sound, proving to me that the phono preamp analog input gets converted to digital at some stage, so why wouldn't the receiver output that digital audio over the Toslink Optical jack? This is disrupting my plan to digitize some of my LPs from the home theater in the living room to my PC in my home office via Toslink Optical cable. I wanted to have a single A-to-D conversion and utilize the A/D converter in the receiver rather than the one on my PC soundboard, which picks up all sorts of noise off the PC chassis (power supply, fans, etc.). Seems now I may have to spring for a separate Phono Preamp with an A/D built in, an expense I was hoping to avoid by choosing this receiver in the first place.

Any suggestions?
post #509 of 1657
No AV receiver I know of will convert analogue to optical (or coaxial) digital audio output. Video conversion doesn't imply audio conversion.

You might want to consider getting a USB turntable which are very inexpensive and the analogue to digital conversion is done on the turnable itself.
post #510 of 1657
also posted in S790 forum

help needed

brand new sonyS790
Yamaha aventage A2020 (almost new) - first use of blu ray player with it
Problem : cannot get DTS or DD (either standard or HD for EITHER) ouit the HDMI (into the 2020)
All output to AMP is PCM encoded (when using HDMI)
Note that if I use optical connection to AMP - it (correctly) decodes a DTS signal (when using the DTS-HD audio track on blu ray disk)

Settings
S790 and A2020 both with latest firmware from internet
have switched OFF all CEC and HDMI control in monitor, AMP and S790
using HDMI 1 output from S790 to AMP
audio hdmi is set to AUTO (note ive tried swityching between auto and PCM - no change in behaviour noted)
DSD output mode set ON (note i dont have any SACD to test with) and have also toggled this settingwith no change
dolby digital /DTS set to bitstream (note that toggled this and as expected when using optical input to amp it toggles between DTS and pcm as expected)
AV separation mode is set OFF (note ive tried using hdmi 2 output also - with no difference)

Trouble shooting
have tried different hdmi cables
have tried togglinga all relevant audio settings in s790
have tried toggling audio input settings on AMP (between auto - hdmi - optical)
tried toggling audi tracks on blu ray disc (discs previously worked with a different amp and blu ray player combination)tried different blu ray discs
using A2020 "information" to determine the AMP decoding settings for each different setting per above
(note the amp always shows "PCM" - but with some different parameters as expected betyween diff audio tracks ) when uing auto or hdmi input mode
amp decioder shows DTS or DD (not HD) as expected when using optical output from s790 and selecting optical input on amp (when toggling between DTS HD and DD auido tracks)
have tried different hdmi inputs on AMP
I (now) only have one AMP and Blu ray player to test with
bot amp and bluray were purchased overseas (i live in a country difficult to get high emnd audio) - so no option to swap
(but confident amp is ok as it decodes all expected formats when using network connected media server - albeit cant test DTS or DD HD audio
from network source


EDIT
problem SOLVED
turned OFF BD audi mix setting (perhaps it should have been obvious .)
the manual gives NO clues about the impact of this function! and its on by default
Edited by gyoung00 - 3/16/13 at 2:28am
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