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post #511 of 1657
EDIT
problem SOLVED
turned OFF BD audi mix setting (perhaps it should have been obvious .)
the manual gives NO clues about the impact of this function! and its on by default[/quote]

Well I was reading thru your post and I was thinking I know the answer to this and then I read your edit.I have a A2010 and Sony S590 and ran into the same problem, it also took me a while to figure it out and you are correct the manual does not give much explanation.
post #512 of 1657
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Originally Posted by Ross Ridge View Post

No AV receiver I know of will convert analogue to optical (or coaxial) digital audio output. Video conversion doesn't imply audio conversion.

You might want to consider getting a USB turntable which are very inexpensive and the analogue to digital conversion is done on the turnable itself.

Thanks for your suggestions. As it turns out, I've found a suitable workaround with my current equipment. I connected the turntable to the Phono In jacks on the receiver, then the receiver will convert that phono analog audio to digital audio and send it via HDMI to my Panasonic Plasma TV. By setting the TV speakers to ON, the Toslink Monitor Out on the rear panel of the TV becomes active as a pass-though. I then connected my optical cord from the Toslink jack on the rear of the TV to the Toslink input on my PC, and I can now record a native 48KHz signal of my vinyl.
post #513 of 1657
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Originally Posted by hifibuzz View Post

Well I was reading thru your post and I was thinking I know the answer to this and then I read your edit.I have a A2010 and Sony S590 and ran into the same problem, it also took me a while to figure it out and you are correct the manual does not give much explanation.

Sony Blu-Ray players manuals cover this in their troubleshooting sections fairly well:
Quote:
The HD Audio (Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD High Resolution Audio, and DTS-HD Master Audio) is not output by bitstream.
  • Set [BD Audio MIX Setting] to [Off] in the [Audio Settings] setup.
[...]
The interactive audio is not output.
  • Set [BD Audio MIX Setting] to [On] in the [Audio Settings] setup.

Note that this means you're losing functionality by turning the BD Audio MIX setting to off, the ability to mix the movies main soundtrack with things like director's commentary. Since Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD are lossless, both your Blu-Ray player and AV receiver will decode the soundtracks to the exact same PCM values, so you're not actually gaining much by having the receiver doing the decoding.
post #514 of 1657
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Originally Posted by Ross Ridge View Post

Sony Blu-Ray players manuals cover this in their troubleshooting sections fairly well:
Note that this means you're losing functionality by turning the BD Audio MIX setting to off, the ability to mix the movies main soundtrack with things like director's commentary. Since Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD are lossless, both your Blu-Ray player and AV receiver will decode the soundtracks to the exact same PCM values, so you're not actually gaining much by having the receiver doing the decoding.

Thanks for you explanation on this.It's been awhile since I set this all up. If I remember correctly when I would hit the info button it would show PCM as decoder but as you describe it doesn't seem to make a difference in the decoding.Thanks again Ross Ridge I enjoy reading all your post.
post #515 of 1657
Hey guys


I think i may have a handshake issue? or a pc issue...

when watching 3D through my HTPC (connected to A2020) everything works fine but the moment i end the 3D content and go back to the desktop my screen is a jumble instead of just seeing the desktop i see part of the program i was using on (total media theatre 5) and i see part of the Windows 8 Start screen all in one, during this problem the OSD for the A2020 doesn't load, the solution to the problem is putting the HTPC to sleep and waking it up again

however when i have the htpc connected straight to the tv i dont have this problem and i dont have this problem when using the ps3 with the same hdmi cable so im confused as to figuring out what the culprit is


any ideas?
post #516 of 1657
Howdy.....got a RX-A3020 to replace my RX-A3000 which I've been very happy with except for the inability to be rid of the volume bar overlay. I also like the Dialogue Level Adjustment on the 3020.

A problem I noticed yesterday was the volume (really only noticed on voices speaking on ESPN and 60 minutes) would slightly lower and then rise. I haven't experimented with it long enough to know for sure but, after turning off "Adaptive DRC" I didn't notice it happening. i never experienced this with the A3000.
Anyone experienced something similar.
post #517 of 1657
Buying 2020 or 3020 in Canada:

Long time Canadian Yammy user located near Ottawa. Now need HDMI etc. Time for a new receiver, so:

1. Anyone out there who has priced the 2020 or 3020 in canada?

2. What prices and sources have you found?

3. Am I better to cross the border and buy from authorized US dealer?

4. How about a US self warranty job?

(I presume Yamaha Canada will not honor the warranty on US authorized dealer units?? So I would have to bring it south to do repairs.)

PS 1st posted in general receiver discussion by mistake
post #518 of 1657
Hi. I'm at work, my new 3020 is at home, in a box, arrived today. Woot.
Anyway, I want to get an oppo bd player, and am wondering if I should get 103 or a 105. I ripped all my cd's to flac files, and will be playing them from probably a nas.
Is it better to get 105 now, or 103 and buy a separate dac later, if I felt I needed it. Does the 3020 play flac files well? I have a pair of thiel cs6's. I used to use an adcom amp, but one channel went out, so I'm just playing them from a vx 867 presently.
Thanks

ps. Is this the right place for this post?
post #519 of 1657
Hi All,

I am now a proud new owner of a 2020 and have a few questions. I am only using a 5 channel speaker system set up with two subwoofers...which setting would I set the Power Amp Assign too??? I have an Emotiva amp running my front and center speakers and the surround power of the 2020 running my surrounds. I am not using any of the zones. So I'm not sure which one to select or just leave it as basic. I've read thru the manual and it doesn't give any examples with my set up. So I'm hoping someone here is only using a 5 channel speaker set up like me.

Also the Virtual Presence Speaker option...do I need to tell the receiver that I am using front presence speakers of leave it set to none. I know this sounds like a stupid question because I dont even have front presence speakers but this is the first time I have had this option and I'm not sure what to set it to. Will the dialogue lift still work the same if I leave them set to none? The dialogue level is pretty self explanatory. I am coming from a RX A2000 and I loved it but it didn't have these two options so I'm not sure what to use for my settings.

Any suggestions would be appreciated..

Thanks

p.s. I accidentally started a new thread with this post. I didn't mean too...sorry about that frown.gif
post #520 of 1657
You should leave the power amp setting at the default "Basic". Since you don't have presence speakers you should set them as disabled. The Virtual Presence Speaker feature is only used when the presence speakers are disabled.
post #521 of 1657
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I think i may have a handshake issue? or a pc issue...

when watching 3D through my HTPC (connected to A2020) everything works fine but the moment i end the 3D content and go back to the desktop my screen is a jumble instead of just seeing the desktop i see part of the program i was using on (total media theatre 5) and i see part of the Windows 8 Start screen all in one, during this problem the OSD for the A2020 doesn't load, the solution to the problem is putting the HTPC to sleep and waking it up again

however when i have the htpc connected straight to the tv i don't have this problem and i dont have this problem when using the ps3 with the same hdmi cable so im confused as to figuring out what the culprit is

I have a kinda similar issue, but have been chasing it through a different route. I also have a HTPC connected directly to my RX-A1020 via HDMI. I don't have a 3D display, so I cannot directly replicate the above issue, but I suspect I am having a similar handshake issue. My issue presents as a loss of audio. If the receiver is on when the HTPC is rebooted, everything works fine. However, once the HDMI connection is broken (switched to different input, receiver powered down, etc), the audio (sent via HDMI) does not work. Video does work however.

Since I did not see any similar noise here on the forums, I decided it was more likely my Linux MythTV HTPC having the issues, and have been attempting to chase it unsuccessfully through that avenue. But after seeing this issue and the Oppo issue quoted earlier in the thread, I'm open to pursuing the issue here. If your HTPC resembles mine at all, send me a private message with your system specs and we can try and figure this out.

Murtagh
post #522 of 1657
It shouldn't matter if you switch inputs. My Windows PC continues to send audio (and video) to the receiver after switching inputs back and forth. Doing things like turning the receiver will stop it sending anything though.

The problem may be that your Linux distribution is changing the default audio device when it loses connection to the receiver using HDMI. My Windows box will switch to the analogue line out when this happpens, though it switches back to HDMI audio when the receiver is turned on again. It could be that your Linux machine isn't switching back.
post #523 of 1657
Thanks Ross Ridge for your input....much appreciated.
post #524 of 1657
Hi

Trying to understand how the zone 2/3 works on the a2020

I want to output cable tv (foxtel) to second tv outside which i think i can do with the second hdmi out port? If i do this, will sound and video be sent along the hdmi or just video?
Edited by benw07 - 3/23/13 at 10:00pm
post #525 of 1657
The two HDMI output jacks on the RX-A2020 only output the currently selected input in the main zone (or nothing). You can enable sound to be transmitted through either with [On Screen] -> Setup -> HDMI -> Audio Output -> HDMI OUT 1/2 -> On.
post #526 of 1657
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Originally Posted by Ross Ridge View Post

The two HDMI output jacks on the RX-A2020 only output the currently selected input in the main zone (or nothing). You can enable sound to be transmitted through either with [On Screen] -> Setup -> HDMI -> Audio Output -> HDMI OUT 1/2 -> On.

Sounds promising

Can I have HDMI sound output on Zone 2 and off for Zone 1?

Alternatively, can I run speaker cable to the second tv (with amp) to get sound? Or will this fail due to zone 2 not being able to receive digital signals?
post #527 of 1657
So I need to buy one of these to replace my RX- V3800. You can figure out why. It's been a great receiver but no 3D.

This will configure with a OPPO BDP-103 & Sharp LC-70C847OU. I see there are some glitches. Any suggestions, I really don't need 140 watts.
post #528 of 1657
The BDP-103 has two HDMI outputs so you can send 3D video to the TV and HDMI audio to the 3800. So you don't need to upgrade just to do 3D.
post #529 of 1657
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Originally Posted by benw07 View Post

Can I have HDMI sound output on Zone 2 and off for Zone 1?

You can enable sound output on the two HDMI outputs seperately, but they're not zone outputs. The two HDMI outputs always output the same thing (or nothing), the source selected in the main zone ("zone 1"). You can not select different sources for the two HDMI outputs with the RX-A2020.

Zone 2 and Zone 3 each allow you to select an independent source that different from the main zone and the other zone. The two zones only work for analogue audio (analogue video can be also be assigned tio one zone). That means they only work with sources connected using analogue audio cables (or internal sources), and only output analogue audio through the zone 2/3 pre-outs and the zone 2/3 speaker terminals. The exception to this is "Party Mode" which forces the zones to use the same source as selected in the main zone and so works with any source regardless of how it's connected.

You could hook up the zone 2 pre-outs using stereo RCA cables to second external amplifer, but you cannot connect anything other than speakers to the zone 2 speaker terminals using speaker wire.
post #530 of 1657
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Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

The BDP-103 has two HDMI outputs so you can send 3D video to the TV and HDMI audio to the 3800. So you don't need to upgrade just to do 3D.
Thanks I didn't think of that one smile.gif I'll give that one a shot. I have sent the one HDMI to TV and using optical for sound with losing the HD sound to just DTS. Still might want to upgrade. Looking for receivers with good handshakes.. smile.gif
post #531 of 1657
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Originally Posted by AndrewFG View Post

I got my email too. But sadly the beta firmware is only for the US players not the EU ones like mine. They say that the EU ones will also get fixed in a couple of weeks. So I have to wait. Grrr...

... But seriously, I think this is again another brilliant example of Oppo service, listening to customers and fixing problems.

Here is Australia there is still nothing from Oppo on this fix. I am upset that Australia seems to be at the bottom of the support chain as usual. If I don't hear anything shortly I will be sending my 103 back to the supplier for a refund under warranty. I have always been loyal to Oppo but this might switch my loyalty to another brand, even if I have to pay more for better support.
post #532 of 1657
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Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

The BDP-103 has two HDMI outputs so you can send 3D video to the TV and HDMI audio to the 3800. So you don't need to upgrade just to do 3D.

I tried that out and only got 2 channels on HDMI audio. Weird .. Is there a configuration I need to set on the Oppo?
post #533 of 1657
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Originally Posted by howlinrock View Post

I tried that out and only got 2 channels on HDMI audio. Weird .. Is there a configuration I need to set on the Oppo?

I'm not sure what you have to set (I don't have the 103 myself), but there's definitely a way to do what you want. Make sure the receiver is not set to send audio out to the TV, or that could limit you to 2 channels. You could also try asking in the BDP-103 thread.

Edit: In the Oppo Video Setup menu did you set Dual HDMI Output to Split A/V? This seems to be what you want (search the 103 manual for Split A/V).
Edited by kriktsemaj99 - 3/25/13 at 6:51am
post #534 of 1657
I just bought a new RX-A3020. I am unable to get video upconversion to work on the HDMI2 (Zone 2) output.

Configuration:
* Main zone - Living Room TV with all sources. In addition to a couple HDMI sources, I have 2 component video sources and an old S-VHS VCR.
* Zone 2 - Kitchen TV with HDMI input fed from Zone 2 HDMI output on the receiver
* Zone 3 - Family room stereo speakers (audio only)

When I feed the Zone 2 output from an HDMI source, I have a great picture and sound. But when I feed it from a component or S-video source, I have nothing on the kitchen TV screen.

So, am I doing something wrong? Or is this not supported? The manual doesn't seem to say one way or the other. I certainly assumed it would upconvert to the Zone 2 output; in fact, this is the single reason I bought the A3020 over the A2020, because I wanted to watch a different source in the kitchen versus the living room through the HDMI output.

Any help would be appreciated.
post #535 of 1657
I think you're out of luck. On most models the HDMI 2 output can only be the same as HDMI 1. What the 3020 adds is an HDMI matrix switch so that any HDMI input can be sent to zone 2 without affecting what you watch in the main zone. But it doesn't have a second copy of the hardware needed for analog conversion to HDMI.
post #536 of 1657
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Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

I'm not sure what you have to set (I don't have the 103 myself), but there's definitely a way to do what you want. Make sure the receiver is not set to send audio out to the TV, or that could limit you to 2 channels. You could also try asking in the BDP-103 thread.

Edit: In the Oppo Video Setup menu did you set Dual HDMI Output to Split A/V? This seems to be what you want (search the 103 manual for Split A/V).

Thanks again ... I'll try that when I get home today. I saw that in setup but didn't have the time last night.

Lately I've gotten pretty frustrated with the RX V 3800 and the no 3D pass through. Yea .. future proof receivers...
post #537 of 1657
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Originally Posted by powertecsys View Post

When I feed the Zone 2 output from an HDMI source, I have a great picture and sound. But when I feed it from a component or S-video source, I have nothing on the kitchen TV screen.

One possible to work around is to assign the analogue video monitor outputs to Zone 2. Unfortunately there is no analogue-to-analogue video conversion in Zone 2, so you'd have to hook up your kitchen TV using component and S-Video cables. You could do it with just a composite video cable by hooking up these sources using composite cables (to the same input) as well.

Otherwise you'll need to convert any source you want to watch in kitchen to HDMI. They make S-Video and component converter boxes, though for something like an old DVD player it would be simpler and cheaper to buy a new DVD or Blu-Ray player.
post #538 of 1657
Hi all
I have the RX3020 with Monitor Audio Silver RX (RX6 front, RXFX rear and RX Center with AW12 Sub). Im really happy with the sound over the Pioneer LX86 that I used to have and love this Amp. I am however now having a little annoying problem with the Center speaker on the 3020 (which I did not have on Pioneer).
I am getting a little distortion on loud movies with the audio which Id like to remove. I am using the YPAO multi angle multi postion setup. Have tried changing the centre from Large to Small at 80Hz (as the size if 6" and Yamaha recommends above 6 1/4" for Large) but still get a little distortion.
What HiFi seems to recommend they found Pure Direct better than using YPAO
Any thoughts on if YPAO is causing this?
Should I re-run YPAO when I change from large to small?
Is 80Hz an optimal setting for the setup I have?
Any other suggestions?
Thanks experts!
Chris.
post #539 of 1657
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Originally Posted by Chris England View Post

...I am however now having a little annoying problem with the Center speaker on the 3020 (which I did not have on Pioneer). I am getting a little distortion on loud movies with the audio which Id like to remove. I am using the YPAO multi angle multi postion setup.

Did you install the latest firmware (version 1.41 that came out recently)? This fixed a problem with multi-point YPAO that could be causing what you describe. After updating I assume you'll have to run YPAO again.

As a test you could also run the single point YPAO (or disable YPAO competely) and see if your problem goes away. If it does, then try the new firmware and go back to multi-point YPAO.
post #540 of 1657
Hi all,

I really need your advice. I have a Dali Ikon Mk1 5.0 setup + MA Silver sub. I am currently upgrading my TV and receiver (used to have Denon 2808), and have decided to go for Yamaha A2020.
However, I have a clearance offer on hand, so I can get Yamaha A3010 for the same price. For me it's 70% cinema, 30% music. The main advantage of A2020 is Airplay, but that can be solved (to an extent) by buying an Apple TV.

What would you go for with my setup? Wouldn't A3010 be an 'overkill' for my speakers?

Thanks!
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