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post #61 of 885
9/3/12 at 12:34pm
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Originally Posted by Ross Ridge View Post

It does decode FLAC files from USB mass storage devices connected to the front panel or DLNA servers on the network. Note that in the later case your DLNA server needs to support FLAC files as well.
You should probably ask any future questions about your RX-A2010 on the RX-A1010/2010/3010 thread.

Thanks Ross.

I'll take a look at that thread. smile.gif
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post #62 of 885
9/5/12 at 4:55pm
Any news on that firmware update that adds Pandora and friends? I've got an Onkyo I'm not too happy with but the wife will go on strike if I take away Pandora.
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post #63 of 885
9/5/12 at 8:01pm
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Any news on that firmware update that adds Pandora and friends? I've got an Onkyo I'm not too happy with but the wife will go on strike if I take away Pandora.


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Merchant response: Thank you for the review on the RX-V820. We are addressing your concern regarding music services on this model with an update this Fall. Stay tuned

That's from Yamaha's website. If you don't mind me asking, which Onkyo do you have and why don't you like it?
Edited by benso37 - 10/2/12 at 11:07am
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post #64 of 885
9/11/12 at 6:54pm
I am looking at the great close-out deals on the RX-A1010 vs the price of a new RX-A1020. I'm not
sure which one I'll buy..

Two channel imaging and detail would be a major sway for me if either sounded better in 2ch CD mode.
Has anyone tried both the older RX-A1010 and the new RX-A1020? I ask because this will be a
dual purpose system. With movies both will probably sound equally as good. But I have found that
when playing 2 Channel Audio CDs, its easy hear that certain receivers sound better than others..

Another question I had was whether the DAC used for 2 Channel audio re-clocked the digital signal
to eliminate jitter..?? (in either model?) I ask this question because if you are streaming music,
a DAC that re-clocks the digital signal sounds significantly better.

Thanks All...
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post #65 of 885
9/12/12 at 7:19am
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I am looking at the great close-out deals on the RX-A1010 vs the price of a new RX-A1020. I'm not
sure which one I'll buy..
Two channel imaging and detail would be a major sway for me if either sounded better in 2ch CD mode.
Has anyone tried both the older RX-A1010 and the new RX-A1020? I ask because this will be a
dual purpose system. With movies both will probably sound equally as good. But I have found that
when playing 2 Channel Audio CDs, its easy hear that certain receivers sound better than others..
Another question I had was whether the DAC used for 2 Channel audio re-clocked the digital signal
to eliminate jitter..?? (in either model?) I ask this question because if you are streaming music,
a DAC that re-clocks the digital signal sounds significantly better.
Thanks All...

From what I have read, there appears to be almost no difference between the 10 series and the 20 series receivers except that the 20 series adds the 4K stuff and AirPlay but unfortunately deletes the streaming services like Pandora etc. None of this affects the audio quality, so I'm guessing that you would be hard pressed to tell any difference between the two machines.

As to the clocking issue, this is what I lifted from the Yamaha website. Both the 1010 and 1020 lists are identical except for the addition of a phono input in the 20 series. The 9th item on both lists, however, mentions some sort of a jitter reduction feature. As to whether this does what you need, you'll probably have to call Yamaha directly for some clarification.

Notable Audio Features RX-V1020:

• 7-channel powerful surround sound
110W per channel (8 ohms, 20 Hz-20 kHz, 0.06% THD, 2ch driven)
120W per channel (8 ohms, 1 kHz, 0.9% THD, 2ch driven)
• HD Audio format decoding: Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio; Dolby Digital Plus and DTS-HD High Resolution Audio
• Heat sink with anti-vibration and anti-thermal properties
• Rigid chassis with additional bottom frames
• DAC on pure ground circuitry
• High speed thermal feedback power amplifier
• Low jitter PLL circuitry helps optimize sound imaging
• Detachable power cable for easier installation (also allows cable upgrade)
• Assignable amplifiers for bi-amp connection
• Intelligent assignable amplifiers for surround back - Front Presence or Zone 2
• Phono input for vinyl playback

I'm in the same position as you and looking to upgrade my receiver. I currently have a two year old mid-level Yamaha and have heard many good things about the Aventage line. But at this price point there are other choices for good sound (Marantz, Denon, Anthem and NAD to name a few.) Right now, I have my eyes on three closeout deals at my local Big Blue: a Yamaha 3010, a Denon 4311 and a Marantz 7005. Having a very difficult time making the decision. Good luck to both of us! smile.gif
Edited by Audio Bob - 9/12/12 at 7:43am
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post #66 of 885
9/12/12 at 9:19pm
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Originally Posted by Audio Bob View Post

From what I have read, there appears to be almost no difference between the 10 series and the 20 series receivers except that the 20 series adds the 4K stuff and AirPlay but unfortunately deletes the streaming services like Pandora etc. None of this affects the audio quality, so I'm guessing that you would be hard pressed to tell any difference between the two machines.
As to the clocking issue, this is what I lifted from the Yamaha website. Both the 1010 and 1020 lists are identical except for the addition of a phono input in the 20 series. The 9th item on both lists, however, mentions some sort of a jitter reduction feature. As to whether this does what you need, you'll probably have to call Yamaha directly for some clarification.
Notable Audio Features RX-V1020:
• 7-channel powerful surround sound
110W per channel (8 ohms, 20 Hz-20 kHz, 0.06% THD, 2ch driven)
120W per channel (8 ohms, 1 kHz, 0.9% THD, 2ch driven)
• HD Audio format decoding: Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio; Dolby Digital Plus and DTS-HD High Resolution Audio
• Heat sink with anti-vibration and anti-thermal properties
• Rigid chassis with additional bottom frames
• DAC on pure ground circuitry
• High speed thermal feedback power amplifier
• Low jitter PLL circuitry helps optimize sound imaging
• Detachable power cable for easier installation (also allows cable upgrade)
• Assignable amplifiers for bi-amp connection
• Intelligent assignable amplifiers for surround back - Front Presence or Zone 2
• Phono input for vinyl playback
I'm in the same position as you and looking to upgrade my receiver. I currently have a two year old mid-level Yamaha and have heard many good things about the Aventage line. But at this price point there are other choices for good sound (Marantz, Denon, Anthem and NAD to name a few.) Right now, I have my eyes on three closeout deals at my local Big Blue: a Yamaha 3010, a Denon 4311 and a Marantz 7005. Having a very difficult time making the decision. Good luck to both of us! smile.gif

I listened to everything BB-Magnolia had back in May on B&W CM9s. I liked the sound of the RX-A1010 better
than anything else they had. To my ears the 1010 beat the Pioneers and Denons.

I actually bought the 1010 today new/sealed from an out-of-state BestBuy. $592 + about $54 for shipping.
The AirPlay thing is huge. I just realized the 1020 has it. I may buy a 1020 now to try out. I think they
can be had for $850ish delivered. If the 1020 sounds 100% equal to the 1010, the airplay would be
worth $200 extra to me.. I'm pretty sure I could re-sell the 1010 for close to what I paid for it.
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post #67 of 885
9/13/12 at 4:31am
Congratulations on your new 1010. That was an incredible price you got and you can undoubtedly sell it with no problem. It's interesting that you bring up AirPlay thing because that is my singular biggest sticking point with the 10 series receivers. However, you might want to consider keeping your new 1010 and just adding an Apple TV box that would essentially give you not only audio streaming but video streaming as well. For less than $100 you might be way ahead of the game.

In any instance, good luck. Please report back on your sonic impressions.
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post #68 of 885
9/13/12 at 5:58am
Injecting an AppleTV would just muddy the sound. The most direct path will give your digital
music stream less problems with jitter. That is unless the DAC re-clocks the digital stream
which I bet it doesn't. Re-clocking is something the thousand dollar High End external DACs do.

And I have my WDTV for video, I don't want any more boxes..
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post #69 of 885
9/14/12 at 7:13pm
Instead of an Apple TV, you could just buy an Apple AirPort Express, using the Toslink Optical out to feed digital audio to your A/V Receiver. That's what I've been doing with my Yamaha RX-V2700B for over 5 years. It even passes DTS compressed bitstreams from iTunes (from the old DTS CDs that used to be available). That's because the AirPort Express uses the 44.1kHz digital audio sampling rate. The Apple TV sample rate converts everything to 48kHz, so it's no longer bit-for-bit identical to the original 16-bit 44.1kHz signal.
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post #70 of 885
9/15/12 at 1:33am
I see that the new line is out and that last year’s models are discounted many places, so I am contemplating going for last year’s A1010 since not much have changed. However I see that this year’s models are noted to sport 4K pass-through. I consider this somewhat important even if a have a feeling we might see at new HDMI revision in the near future, that might (or might not) be as incompatible as 1.3 to 1.4.

My question is this: Can the A1010 pass-through (I don’t care about up conversion) 4K or is it limited in some way that prevents it from being capable of such feat? Would it be better to wait for the A1020 to drop a little pricewise or du you think that ultimately it doesn’t matter as we most likely will see a new HDMI spec soon anyway?

Dan
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post #71 of 885
9/15/12 at 5:28am
Hey Craig..

I am guessing that you are using Toslink to connect the Airport Express to your Yamaha RX-V2700B? I would imagine that using analog out would destroy the sound. (I read that the DAC in the Airport Express is lousy) So anyway, if you are using Toslink, how is the sound? Does the RX-V2700B re-clock the digital stream to eliminate jitter?
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post #72 of 885
9/15/12 at 6:12am
Hey tom63376, yes I'm using Toslink. Analog out of the Airport Express would destroy the DTS bitstream. I don't know if the Yamaha RX-V2700B reclocks the digital signal or not, but I can attest to the fact that DTS bitstreams do not drop out, meaning that all digital bits must be arriving accurately for it to be decoded into DTS 5.1 by the Yamaha.

For what it's worth, I use Apple Lossless codec in iTunes for DTS bitsreams, so it emerges bit-for-bit identical to the original DTS bitstreams off the original DTS-CD. Rather than use WAV or AIFF, just to save a few bits. DTS-CDs usually come in at around 1270 kb/s instead of the usual 1411 kb/s that CDs use.
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post #73 of 885
9/19/12 at 4:23pm
has anyone seen Receiver Manager for the new series ? A3020 in particular

thanks

sjw
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post #74 of 885
9/25/12 at 7:25am
These have been available for awhile now. Any owners have anything to share about the 3020? I am trying to choose from the 3020, the Onkyo 5009 or 5010, and the Denon 4520CI when it is released. Having a hard time making up my mind and would appreciate any input on the 3020. Thanks
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post #75 of 885
9/25/12 at 8:48am
I don't think RX-A3020 is actually out yet.
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post #76 of 885
9/25/12 at 9:08am
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I don't think RX-A3020 is actually out yet.

You may be right, but there are many sites advertising it and at least some (onecall for example) says that it is in stock.
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post #77 of 885
9/25/12 at 10:47am
a number are also showing up on ebay. new A stock
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post #78 of 885
9/25/12 at 11:48am
Amazon (itself), J&R, Crutchfield and Yamaha's own online store all say the RX-A3020 isn't in stock and won't be until early October. It's possible the other less reputable online retailers that do say its in stock somehow have managed to get product in before these other online stores, but if you actually place an order with them I wouldn't expect them to ship it before early October.

Perhaps more to the point, I haven't heard anyone on these forums mention that they have one, so regardless you'll probably have to wait a while before anyone here can tell you about their personal experience with it.
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post #79 of 885
9/25/12 at 1:39pm
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These have been available for awhile now. Any owners have anything to share about the 3020? I am trying to choose from the 3020, the Onkyo 5009 or 5010, and the Denon 4520CI when it is released. Having a hard time making up my mind and would appreciate any input on the 3020. Thanks
Almost everything you read about the 3010 will still apply to the 3020. It looks like a pretty minor update this year.
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post #80 of 885
9/26/12 at 6:20am
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Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

Almost everything you read about the 3010 will still apply to the 3020. It looks like a pretty minor update this year.

Thanks for the input.
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post #81 of 885
9/26/12 at 7:09am
In stock at Onecall
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post #82 of 885
9/26/12 at 7:12am
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In stock at Onecall

Also at Amazon Prime. One left in stock after my order.
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post #83 of 885
9/27/12 at 6:36pm
Got my a3020 on line

Arrived today. Haven't set it up yet. Still looking for receiver manager for it

I'll post anything interesting

SJW
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post #84 of 885
9/27/12 at 7:26pm
operator error
Edited by Toksook Bay - 9/27/12 at 8:38pm
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post #85 of 885
9/28/12 at 2:07pm
I've been offered the RX-A820 for the same price as the 810 by one of the stores where I purchased the RX-A810, since they're out of stock on the 810. I declined the offer, hoping to still find the 810, but I'm not having any luck.
Does anyone know of any confirmed store with an RX-A810 in stock, brand new in box, with a reasonable price?

I also found the RX-A1010, but its price range is a bit higher than the wife would approve...

Thanks!
Edited by ortuno2k - 9/28/12 at 2:33pm
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post #86 of 885
10/1/12 at 7:15am
I've got a RX-A2020 coming. I'm replacing a RX-2700 which has been great but to restricted with HDMI inputs, particularly since one has died.

The RX-2700 has a 7 channel enhanced stereo surround which can sound really good on some materials. It appears to split the 2 channel sound up and develop a surround stage on the 7 channels. I noticed the 2020 has a 9 channel stereo mode but the description makes me believe it maintains the 2 channel stereo and just spreads it around the nine channels.

Can anyone who has one of the 2020s tell me what this does? Leave stereo intact or derive a multichannel sound stage?

Thanks...
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post #87 of 885
10/1/12 at 9:54am
7 channel (or 9 channel) stereo doesn't give you true surround sound (hence the name), it's more for parties when you just want to fill the room with sound because people are moving around and not sitting in the sweet spot. There are other options much better for creating a multi-channel surround effect from stereo (e.g. Dolby PLIIx for 7.1).
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post #88 of 885
10/1/12 at 8:46pm
Just posted a response in the RX-V773 forum regarding YPAO on the RX-A2020 I received last week.
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... I recently purchased a RX-A2020 and am experiencing the very same distortion issues.

My 5.2 speaker setup consists of 2 Polk MicroPro 2000 subs, a pair of TSi500s up front (bi-amped), a Polk CS20 center, and two TSi200's for rear surround. The audio area is an enclosed HT: 12.5x21x8 carpeted room with acoustic panels on walls & ceiling.

The intermittent distortion comes from multiple sources (SATV, Blu-ray, and AirPlay) at medium to loud volume levels (-20db - 0db). It appears to affect all channels (not including the SW); but is definately more prounounced in the front and center woofers than the rear.

The prior Pioneer VSX-1020-K receiver, that this unit replaced, did not exhibit these issues.

I originally ran the YPAO in a 7-position measurement during the setup (in a 6 foot semi-circle from the listening sweet-spot). The EQ configuration was set for a YPAO:Flat response. I was able to recreate the issue on virtually every scene and configuration I have tried (so far).

That said, when I re-ran the YPAO setup from a single position, the distortion issue resolved itself. Unfortunately, the resulting effect is that the room is taking on a more lively sound than I like.

Playing with the cross-over frequencies has refined that liveliness a bit; but not to a level that I would say I am happy with.

Wondering if anyone else has had similar experiences.
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post #89 of 885
10/2/12 at 5:49pm
Built-In Receiver Manager !!

made a discovery with the help of yamaha support. i was upset at the lack of a Receiver Manager for the 3020. there is of course an web GUI for basic control. if you go to the web IP address with /setup/ after the IP address, you will discover a full web version of the functionality of receiver manager. haven't found anything that documents it, but it's there ! don't know if it's in all models or just the 3020

sjw
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post #90 of 885
10/3/12 at 6:07am
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Built-In Receiver Manager !! ...

Can you post a screenshot or two to show what it looks like?
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