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Looking for good 2TB hd but not sure which one to go with

post #1 of 25
Thread Starter 
Hey people. So, I have been reading all kinds of discussions on here about the "post-flood" prices being higher and qualities seeming to be lower for HDs lately.

Now, I do have one question first. Will I notice any quality difference in video that is 1080p if it is stored on an external drive? If not I may go with a larger 4TB external... but possibly not.

If I do get an internal HD, is this one worth the price?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=22-148-725&SortField=0&SummaryType=0&Pagesize=10&PurchaseMark=&SelectedRating=1&VideoOnlyMark=False&VendorMark=&IsFeedbackTab=true&Keywords=%28keywords%29&Page=1#scrollFullInfo


I see a lot of 1 ratings with "DOA" as the reason or failures close to when they bought the hard drive as well. Though, there are many more 4 and 5 star ratings. As I looked at other HDs they seem to all have the standard "DOA" thing going on. Help! What should I do? I have 6TB external right now that are USB 2.0 or Firewire, so I am trying to expand that by 2 - 4TB. Thanks so much!
post #2 of 25
At the moment for internal drives, $50/TB seems to be about as good as it gets. You can get it down to $45/TB with some externals. For streaming 1080p video (inc 3D), a "green" 5400rpm drive is plenty fast enough. For external connections, the bottleneck will be the type of connection but USB 2.0 or better, firewire or gigabit ethernet will all work.

As for drive quality, I've had good success with just about all the different manufacturers. Right now I have 2 samsung internals, a seagate internal, a WD external and a seagate external with the oldest being a samsung I bought in 2006. I prefer to order from Amazon as returns are free in case I get something DOA.
post #3 of 25
I've had good luck with 2TB drives from Hitachi, Seagate, and WD.

The WD green drives are, by far, the quietest.
post #4 of 25
Thread Starter 
Ok. So go for the deal on the 2TB internal HD then?
post #5 of 25
Well I know nothing at all about your setup or what you want. Do you have a backup strategy for all this?
post #6 of 25
Thread Starter 
Backup? Nope. Do most people on here backup all their media with another set of hard drives?
post #7 of 25
Well I guess it depends on what's on the drives. If you wake up tomorrow and one of your drives is dead, and that won't bother you, then you don't need a backup.

I backup everything. Backup strategy is an integral part of any storage expansion decision.
post #8 of 25
Thread Starter 
So if I have 6TB of media I guess I should have 6TB of backup. Meh...
post #9 of 25
Well, yeah. Or tomorrow you might have 0 TB of media.

Anything sitting on a hard drive has to be treated as if it can disappear at any moment. Because it will. Hard drives die. That's just what they do. One day you wake up and there's nothing on them anymore.

My strategy is to use a pair of 2 TB drives that I keep in the office. I bring them home about once a month to back up my movies, photos, documents, etc. I also use CrashPlan to have a second online backup of all the really important stuff. And then I also keep a lot of stuff in Dropbox.
post #10 of 25
I use a very basic backup setup - all important directories are sync'ed using the free SyncBack software. Very easy to setup and use and it can sync to the cloud or networked storage if you want. There are two downsides to this setup: 1. If the house burns down I lose everything, 2. I need 2x the HDD capacity.

My next project is to setup a media server PC to house all my media. This would use FreeNAS for the OS with redundancy built in through the ZFS filesystem. Doesn't solve problem #1 though.
post #11 of 25
RAID/ZFS/etc are not backup. They are redundancy.
post #12 of 25
Hello and welcome to the obsession!

Newegg is currently having a semi annual sale. Promo code EMCNDJH23 will get you $10 of the seagate barracuda 2TB drive. So you'd get an additional 500 GB for $10 more than the price on the drive in your original post. I didn't look at the other specs, but all the drives should be plenty fast to locally serve media.

Here's the 2TB Seagate model:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148681&nm_mc=EMC-IGNEFL061212&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL061212-_-EMC-061212-Index-_-InternalHardDrives-_-22148681-L0B

I'm definitely not an expert, but I've had a lot of problems with WD drives lately. I've had 3 go bad in the past month. 2 external (Mybook) and 1 Green 2TB internal.Granted the two externals were out of the warranty period....9 and 5 years old. I'm sure the other manufacturers have some similar issues given enough time. If you've got a local Costco you can pick up an external 3TB USB 3.0 Seagate for about $130. You can crack the case open and install the drive internally if you'd prefer.

I think the green drives have their own power management, so the additional windows power settings increase the amount of spin ups/wear and tear. I really do think this is why my WD green drive died so quickly.

As far as backups are concerned - Definitely back up your most important data. Just because you have 6 TB doesn't mean you need to backup 6 TB. Sure re-ripping all your DVDs and Blu Rays take a long time, but it may be a better option than spending the money on drives right now. Backup pictures and other irreplaceable files for sure.
post #13 of 25
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Originally Posted by jonnythan View Post

RAID/ZFS/etc are not backup. They are redundancy.

That is exactly what I wrote. However, in terms of what the OP is trying to accomplish, redundancy or backup may both fit the bill. Offsite backup is still recommended for irreplaceable stuff like family photos. I wouldn't bother for a media collection.
post #14 of 25
I got couple of WD Green 2TB ones and so far so good, they are very quiet and working well. Also they don't get too hot which is good since I use them in a 2-bay docking station without any fan.
post #15 of 25
Just curious Randy...how long have your green drives been running. Not trying to pick a fight, just wondering.
post #16 of 25
I'm not him, but I've had a pair of WD 2TB Green drives in a RAID 5 array with a pair of Hitachi drives for about a year.
post #17 of 25
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Originally Posted by djearl81 View Post

Just curious Randy...how long have your green drives been running. Not trying to pick a fight, just wondering.

Been using them for about 8 months now. But you can check out the reviews available on Amazon.com web site and get more feedback.
post #18 of 25
I use all green drives. Mainly Samsung and WD with a few Seagates. In fact I think that 7200RPM drives are relatively contraindicated for HTPC (use a SSD if you want a fast drive for the OS/Programs).

I have 5 2TB drives in my server, 2 2TB drives in my primary HTPC and a 3TB 7200RPM external drive that I use to have redundant data and other media that I use for testing. No issues so far.
post #19 of 25
For backups, I use an external 1.5 TB Sammy. I store it in the trunk of my car.
post #20 of 25
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Originally Posted by bfhancock View Post

Now, I do have one question first. Will I notice any quality difference in video that is 1080p if it is stored on an external drive? If not I may go with a larger 4TB external... but possibly not.

No, you won't notice any difference between content stored on an internal or external drive. Digital content is either there or not. It is not like analog where you can lose quality of the signal if you make more connections. Digital content does not suffer from that.

As to the back up strategy, if the up-time is important, i.e. your wife's shows are stored on the hard drive, make sure it is in RAID configuration, so that if one drive were to fail, the content is still there. The wife can view her shows, while you put a replacement drive in the array, and let it rebuild.

However, you should also have a back up, as well. Either on another machine, or another drive, or an array of drives.

You can never have too much redundancy...
post #21 of 25
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by assassin View Post

I use all green drives. Mainly Samsung and WD with a few Seagates. In fact I think that 7200RPM drives are relatively contraindicated for HTPC (use a SSD if you want a fast drive for the OS/Programs).
I have 5 2TB drives in my server, 2 2TB drives in my primary HTPC and a 3TB 7200RPM external drive that I use to have redundant data and other media that I use for testing. No issues so far.

Is any of that backup?
post #22 of 25
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Originally Posted by blueiedgod View Post

No, you won't notice any difference between content stored on an internal or external drive. Digital content is either there or not. It is not like analog where you can lose quality of the signal if you make more connections. Digital content does not suffer from that.
As to the back up strategy, if the up-time is important, i.e. your wife's shows are stored on the hard drive, make sure it is in RAID configuration, so that if one drive were to fail, the content is still there. The wife can view her shows, while you put a replacement drive in the array, and let it rebuild.
However, you should also have a back up, as well. Either on another machine, or another drive, or an array of drives.
You can never have too much redundancy...

Yes... her shows... ....... THOSE shows. I could just say the drive died and that's why they are gone.... wink.gif
post #23 of 25
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Originally Posted by jonnythan View Post

I'm not him, but I've had a pair of WD 2TB Green drives in a RAID 5 array with a pair of Hitachi drives for about a year.

I had a lot of problems running WD 2 TB green drives in a RAID 5 array. They would hang up in the middle of a large file copy. Hence I removed them from the array and replaced them with Seagates. Separated they worked fine.
post #24 of 25
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Originally Posted by bfhancock View Post

Is any of that backup?

I have a 2TB parity drive. I have some media backed up on the 3TB drive as well as irreplaceable data. I also have irreplaceable data (family pics, family movies, documents, etc) backed up to Crashplan.
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Originally Posted by mhetman View Post

I had a lot of problems running WD 2 TB green drives in a RAID 5 array. They would hang up in the middle of a large file copy. Hence I removed them from the array and replaced them with Seagates. Separated they worked fine.

Green drives work very well with a software based RAID array.
post #25 of 25
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Originally Posted by mhetman View Post

I had a lot of problems running WD 2 TB green drives in a RAID 5 array. They would hang up in the middle of a large file copy. Hence I removed them from the array and replaced them with Seagates. Separated they worked fine.

What were you using for a controller? Mine are quite happy dealing with 15+ GB files. I have about 4 TB of data on the array at the moment.
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