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post #151 of 221
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

Still warranty is for 10,000 hours so that's pretty good don't you think.

that was my point as well... most lamp warranties (if any) are for what? 90 days? 500 hrs? The warranty on the illumination is 10,000 hrs... the claimed period of maintenance free operation (rating?) is 20,000 hrs.
post #152 of 221
egads, I did a throw calculation at about 13' on a 120" diagonal screen.

http://panasonic.net/avc/projector/calculator/html/aspct169/rz470.html

882 LUX!!!

Won't that literally burn your eyes??

This doesn't seem to be made for the home theater market!!

Hope they will come out with one that is..
post #153 of 221
egads, I did a throw calculation at about 13' on a 120" diagonal screen.

http://panasonic.net/avc/projector/calculator/html/aspct169/rz470.html

882 LUX!!!

Won't that literally burn your eyes??

This doesn't seem to be made for the home theater market!!

Hope they will come out with one that is..
post #154 of 221
egads, I did a throw calculation at about 13' on a 120" diagonal screen.

http://panasonic.net/avc/projector/calculator/html/aspct169/rz470.html

882 LUX!!!

Won't that literally burn your eyes??

This doesn't seem to be made for the home theater market!!

Hope they will come out with one that is..
post #155 of 221
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Originally Posted by Steve Benkin View Post

882 LUX!!!

Won't that literally burn your eyes??

Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Benkin View Post

882 LUX!!!

Won't that literally burn your eyes??

Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Benkin View Post

882 LUX!!!

Won't that literally burn your eyes??

You seem pretty worked up about this. tongue.gif
post #156 of 221
i have NO idea how that happened!!

Geez.
post #157 of 221
Just a thought.

If this is über-bright, but (I'm going to have a guess here) has less than perfect black levels...ND2 filter?

Steve W
post #158 of 221
Or better yet, a black screen!
post #159 of 221
Or perhaps running it one of the eco modes will be just as good. IIRC the lowest power mode is only half the electrical watts of the full-brightness mode. With LEDs brightness is generally not linear to wattage but still half power is going to be a lot dimmer than full power.
post #160 of 221
A bit noisy for home theater as well:
35 dB ( LIGHT POWER mode: NORMAL), 29 dB ( LIGHT POWER mode: LOW)
post #161 of 221
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Originally Posted by sunol View PostA bit noisy for home theater as well: 35 dB ( LIGHT POWER mode: NORMAL), 29 dB ( LIGHT POWER mode: LOW)

JVC has a prototype with Lasers with 8Ke shift :)

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXRoiz913nk

 

Maybe for the rest of us in five years!

post #162 of 221
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Originally Posted by Haw View Post

Dynamic contrast is contrast that a projector could achieve with the help of an Auto Iris.

I believe there is no Auto Iris in the RZ470. If it has, the contrast should be higher than the 50,000:1 ratio achieveable on the BenQ W7000 and Optoma HD87, both of which use an Auto Iris.

In the absence of light, ie with the LED's and Laser in switched-OFF mode, the contrast on a DLP which is reflective, could be as good as a Plasma or a CRT. smile.gif
LED/Laser based projectors can have dynamic contrast boost without the need of an iris.

In a conventional projector the only practical way to change the brightness quickly is by mechanically blocking some of the light with an iris. I don't like dynamic iris units because I can too easily detect the light "thumping" as the iris has to adjust. It's just not fast enough for me.

However for an LED/Laser unit they can instantly change the brightness by changing the current electronically either by PWM or instantaneous current. So the total brightness can be adjusted on a frame by frame basis - something that a conventional lamp driven projector simply can't do.
post #163 of 221
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Originally Posted by wgf_bean View Post

So the total brightness can be adjusted on a frame by frame basis - something that a conventional lamp driven projector simply can't do.

I believe the voice coil driven ones can operate that quickly, but it doesn't solve all of the issues, like visible black level pumping with changes in APL.
post #164 of 221
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Originally Posted by noah katz View Post

I believe the voice coil driven ones can operate that quickly, but it doesn't solve all of the issues, like visible black level pumping with changes in APL.
Yes, the black level pumping would still be there and be distracting to me. Good point.
post #165 of 221
I had a demo unit of the PT-RZ370 (as well as some other conventional Panasonic units). The PZ370 is large, relatively heavy and the 'futuristic' shape looks even more so in real life. Personally, I like business-looking devices. Nice square boxes smile.gif

Image was great. Extremely sharp with a good throw. The optical adjustments looked and felt top notch. We are retrofitting rooms, so having the wide throw and lens shift options on the optical side of things are nice. It could have been a bit brighter. don't think they are lying about the 3k lumen (some *other* manf. had suggested that Panasonic was fudging the brightness and life numbers by a lot). It was certainly brighter than the 2500k lumen we had in the room already but not as bright as the 570 (normal lamp, LCD, 5k) they also sent us.

The PT-RZ370 was pretty much instant-on. I think it's 'booting' up more than it's firing up the optics. About 4 seconds from on to input sync and your image on the screen. Pulled the power, plugged it back in and it came up in the same 4 seconds. Motion was good (Pixar movie) - image was a bit ruddy, but we tweaked the image settings a bit and it evened out. If the 10 years/20,000 hours claim pans out and the HDBaseT component eliminates additional control gear (Crestron in our case) at the pole then its probably a winner for schools and businesses that have good control over the ambient light.

being an early adopter has bit us before, so not sure if we want to jump in head first and go down that path or not. FWIW, we were quoted a little under $3k per unit. alternatives (for us) are in that range but we would need crestron control units to fully enable them for our needs. If they were 4k lumen and could guarantee 15k hours they would have a winner, imho.
post #166 of 221
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Originally Posted by gozags View Post

I had a demo unit of the PT-RZ370 (as well as some other conventional Panasonic units). The PZ370 is large, relatively heavy and the 'futuristic' shape looks even more so in real life. Personally, I like business-looking devices. Nice square boxes smile.gif

gozags, thanks for the hands-on report. It sounds like you're doing a commercial setup, but for home noise is a factor. Did you get a sense of how noisy these are in relation to the HT-oriented models like PT-AE (which are particularly quiet)?

Also, is that under $3k price quote with a volume discount? I hope so, otherwise I'll feel like an ******* for spending $2600 on a PT-AE8000U. wink.gif
post #167 of 221
Xank, he is talking about the rz370 - the rz470 is the one that is more home theater oriented - has 3d, has twice the rated contrast (but same rated sound levels). Street price on the rz470 is currently a little more than half MSRP - you can find a couple of places advertising it for sale just by googling.
post #168 of 221
at 3k lumens (which, in theory, would never diminish) I calculate

1) it could light up a 153" 2:35 screen at about 18' with about 20 FL.
2) on a 16;9 screen , at 15' a 138" would be about 28 fl!!

(someone would need to double check my calculations)

Using an ND filter (unless one can reduce the light), and maybe a gray negative gain screen, this sounds pretty incredible for rooms that can handle it.

That is one heck of a light cannon.
post #169 of 221
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Originally Posted by Steve Benkin View Post

at 3k lumens (which, in theory, would never diminish) I calculate

It might not diminish, but it may not actually even be 3k lumens to begin with. If Panasonic uses the same spec inflation on these models as they do on the PT-AE series, 3k lumens is a fantasy.

My PT-AE8000U is advertised as 2400 lumens, but in the absolute brightest torch mode I see 50ftL on a 110" 1.1 gain screen at 16.5' throw. That works out to 1600 lumens. Don't get me wrong, that's super bright, but it's not 2400. And if the RZ3/470 is anything like the PT-AE, calibration will take its toll on brightness. Fully calibrated, I see 16ftL on my 8000, which works out to 522 lumens.

On the other hand, these LED/Laser projectors might actually be nothing like traditional lamp-based projectors. The 8000's light source is inherently red deficient, which is why you need to jettison green/blue brightness to get greyscale to balance. So if LED/Laser sources have better inherent color balance, maybe max brightness and calibrated brightness will be a lot closer together. Let's hope. That would be a huge advance.
post #170 of 221
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Originally Posted by Steve Benkin View Post

at 3k lumens (which, in theory, would never diminish) I calculate

I think that would be a mistake. LED output degrades with time, it just take a lot longer than with incadescents and the loss is a lot more linear rather than the big drop that incandescents typically see in the first couple of hundred hours. The "life" of a bulb is typically the point in time at which they reach half of original brightness. So, at 20,000 hours we should expect this projector to be at 1750 lumens, everything else being equal.

Then there is the effect of highly saturated colors being perceived as brighter than full-spectrum light, many people report that lumen counts do not adequetly reflect the perceived brightness of solid state projectors.
post #171 of 221
hey - even if I get a 30% increase in brightness and no blasted bulb to worry about, instant off/on function, and only slowly degraded lumens over time - to me, that is fantastic.
post #172 of 221
We are all waiting for the first guinea pig of owning and reviewing the 470. who will it be?
post #173 of 221
have a unit on order for a customer of mine. ETA has been pushed back few times already. latest ETA April 1st.
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post #175 of 221
Here's the same link sanitized of all the cyberstalker doohickeys that the advertising/profiling networks put on it:

http://www.fullcompass.com/product/439566.html
post #176 of 221
Certainly very intriguing. I loved the picture of the previous gen LED projectors, but they were too dim on my 120" wide microperf screen. Saw the DPI and the Sim2 Mico 50. Hope they have one in the Chicago area to demo.

David
post #177 of 221
Finally got the projector. Set it up very quickly. Extremely bright on dynamic mode but too green.
Few adjustment...... and I must say an amazing projector for the money.
Will write more details soon
post #178 of 221
scorpiony we will be waiting and thanks in advance smile.gif

how good PT-RZ470 compare with other branded home theaters !!
sharpness
black level
3D
noise
response time ( lag )
PQ


and yah congratulation biggrin.gif
post #179 of 221
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Originally Posted by scorpiony View Post

Finally got the projector. Set it up very quickly. Extremely bright on dynamic mode but too green.
Few adjustment...... and I must say an amazing projector for the money.
Will write more details soon

Looking forward for any info on this projector. Thank you for your input.
post #180 of 221
Please be sure to give us some details of your theater, screen size, material, throw, etc.
Thanks much,
David
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