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post #31 of 82
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Last night I FF'd right to the last 3K. The sprint was great! We got a good look at the elbowing and jockeying for position in the run up to the finish line, too. Cavendish hasn't lost anything. I don't know if he plans on finishing the Tour or not. Sagan has said he wants to go after the green jersey.

larry
post #32 of 82
Is it just me or is analyst Scott Moninger about as exciting as a talking coma? Please don't make me pine for the days of Kirsten Gum... biggrin.gif
post #33 of 82
What can we learn from the first week of the Tour?


If you're watching on NBCSN, don't ever complain about Craig Hummer, Al Trautwig or even Kirsten Gum again! Liam McHugh has to be the worst host I've ever seen in my life. Is he in a stupor or something? It's like listening to an undertaker- no offense to any undertakers out there! wink.gif And Scott Moninger looks and sounds terrified and is another snoozefest. Did he have to actually apply for the job or is he someone's brother in law? If you need Bobke Roll to spark up the proceedings, you are in big trouble.


Despite the best efforts of the organizers, the first week is another bloodbath- literally. The first week of the Tour has to be the hardest week in the entire cycling calender. You've got all the sprinters trying to win stages before the mountains and all the GC guys are trying to stay in the front of the peloton to stay out of trouble. That's about 140 guys trying to be in the same place at the same time. OUCH!


Sagan is the real deal. He not up there with the best sprinters but he's won the stages that have suited his skills. This kid is good and the scary part is it will be another 6 years before he hits his prime. If he works on his sprinting some more as well as his climbing skills who knows what the future holds. Winning a grand tour, maybe?


Cav looks like he is feeling the effects of his crash. I thought he would drop out before the mountains, but he said he plans to try for the green jersey in Paris. Sagan's huge lead in the points competition may prove me correct after all.


The Chuck Norris Asswhup them dern furriners award has to go to Tyler Farrar. Who was he trying to beat up when he started the crash himself? tongue.gif


Is there any other sport that is trying to kill itself like cycling? What other sport drags itself through the doping mud before it's main event? What good is there trying to lynch Lance again 7 years after he won his last Tour? Your tax dollars at work. rolleyes.gif And before any lovers of American sports want to start chiming in- the testing level of US sports is an absolute joke compared to cycling. You think all those NFL players are 280 lbs. and can run faster than a truck are doing it naturally? Whatever happened to the 100 MLB players who failed the drug test in the MItchell report? Cyclists get unannounced random drug testing 365/ 24 every year they race. How are they testing in your sport? rolleyes.gif

Thanks, I needed to vent. biggrin.gif
Edited by ti-triodes - 7/6/12 at 4:58pm
post #34 of 82
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Originally Posted by ti-triodes View Post

What can we learn from the first week of the Tour?
If you're watching on NBCSN, don't ever complain about Craig Hummer, Al Trautwig or even Kirsten Gum again! Liam McHugh has to be the worst host I've ever seen in my life. Is he in a stupor or something? It's like listening to an undertaker- no offense to any undertakers out there! wink.gif And Scott Moninger looks and sounds terrified and is another snoozefest. Did he have to actually apply for the job or is he someone's brother in law? If you need Bobke Roll to spark up the proceedings, you are in big trouble.
Despite the best efforts of the organizers, the first week is another bloodbath- literally. The first week of the Tour has to be the hardest week in the entire cycling calender. You've got all the sprinters trying to win stages before the mountains and all the GC guys are trying to stay in the front of the peloton to stay out of trouble. That's about 140 guys trying to be in the same place at the same time. OUCH!
Sagan is the real deal. He not up there with the best sprinters but he's won the stages that have suited his skills. This kid is good and the scary part is it will be another 6 years before he hits his prime. If he works on his sprinting some more as well as his climbing skills who knows what the future holds. Winning a grand tour, maybe?
Cav looks like he is feeling the effects of his crash. I thought he would drop out before the mountains, but he said he plans to try for the green jersey in Paris. Sagan's huge lead in the points competition may prove me correct after all.
The Chuck Norris Asswhup them dern furriners award has to go to Tyler Farrar. Who was he trying to beat up when he started the crash himself? tongue.gif
Is there any other sport that is trying to kill itself like cycling? What other sport drags itself through the doping mud before it's main event? What good is there trying to lynch Lance again 7 years after he won his last Tour? Your tax dollars at work. rolleyes.gif And before any lovers of American sports want to start chiming in- the testing level of US sports is an absolute joke compared to cycling. You think all those NFL players are 280 lbs. and can run faster than a truck are doing it naturally? Whatever happened to the 100 MLB players who failed the drug test in the MItchell report? Cyclists get unannounced random drug testing 365/ 24 every year they race. How are they testing in your sport? rolleyes.gif
Thanks, I needed to vent. biggrin.gif

Well, if anything the crashes contribute to the popularity of the sport to the masses. They won't understand much else but they will like the carnage. Heck, I like me some carnage for the roadies once in a while, too smile.gif.

Scott Moninger was a pretty good racer so at least he can talk intelligently about the sport, probably help once he gets the shakes out of the way, haven't watched much of him yet though.

Cav indeed looked not up to it after the crash even with the team, with some prodding from the girlfriend, to protect and lead him out...but he'll get over it.

I liked Tyler's attempt to get in the Argos bus...kinda wished he'd made it and let them really settle things mano a mano wink.gif instead of using shoulders and wheels.

I could give a crap about pros and whatever methods they use to give themselves an advantage...nature of being pro. This ain't art, it's entertainment!
post #35 of 82
No live racing this weekend on NBCS.
post #36 of 82
Actually the racing is on the NBC broadcast network this weekend (to replace something they previously aired on that network since 1969). This is the first time that le Tour de France has aired lve on a broadcast network.
post #37 of 82
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Actually the racing is on the NBC broadcast network this weekend (to replace something they previously aired on that network since 1969). This is the first time that le Tour de France has aired lve on a broadcast network.

What? In Europe it's never been broadcast live?! wink.gif I gotta get up waay too early to watch any of it live in any case but glad NBC is putting it on more than their sports channel.
post #38 of 82
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What? In Europe it's never been broadcast live?! wink.gif I gotta get up waay too early to watch any of it live in any case but glad NBC is putting it on more than their sports channel.

first time broadcast live on network tv in the US...they have been broadcasting live in europe for decades.
post #39 of 82
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Originally Posted by lovinthehd View Post

Well, if anything the crashes contribute to the popularity of the sport to the masses. They won't understand much else but they will like the carnage. Heck, I like me some carnage for the roadies once in a while, too smile.gif.
Scott Moninger was a pretty good racer so at least he can talk intelligently about the sport, probably help once he gets the shakes out of the way, haven't watched much of him yet though.
Cav indeed looked not up to it after the crash even with the team, with some prodding from the girlfriend, to protect and lead him out...but he'll get over it.
I liked Tyler's attempt to get in the Argos bus...kinda wished he'd made it and let them really settle things mano a mano wink.gif instead of using shoulders and wheels.
I could give a crap about pros and whatever methods they use to give themselves an advantage...nature of being pro. This ain't art, it's entertainment!



You mean people watch cycling just to see the carnage? What is this- the NHL? biggrin.gif Seriously, did you know that cycling averages about one death a year? As an ex racer I can't even remember how many broken bones I got while racing. And a lot of old scars from hitting the tarmac. Sorry, when I see them go down, I cringe.

Most people only watch cycling when the Tour is on and that's the problem with Scott and Liam. Is this the face that cycling wants to put out to the general public- a couple of stiffs? Scott does have serious racing creds, but that means nothing to the casual viewer. They need someone to explain racing, not put them to sleep. And don't forget Bob twitching, grimacing and swinging his arms around. I love Bobke, but he does put a lot of people off.

Did Tyler ever apologize for his rant? It's funny, every one they interviewed said the crash was Tylers fault to begin with.
post #40 of 82
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What seems to be the new trend, a very interesting and "crashy" first week. Tyler didn't have a whole lot of room to talk but the only thing that one could say is that Petacchi(?) shouldn't have veered to the right like that unless he was going to pass his lead out - which he didn't do. The amazing thing was that Greipel got almost stopped with both feet unclipped and managed to go on and win!

I was sorta mad that NBC did the weekend broadcasts on the network station. Of course, a season pass wouldn't pick it up on another channel. I looked at the Tivo schedule for next weekend and it doesn't show the broadcast on NBC, but I bet it will be.

larry
post #41 of 82
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Originally Posted by PooperScooper View Post

I was sorta mad that NBC did the weekend broadcasts on the network station. Of course, a season pass wouldn't pick it up on another channel. I looked at the Tivo schedule for next weekend and it doesn't show the broadcast on NBC, but I bet it will be.

 

I was rather glad NBC picked up the coverage. Being pay-TV free I found it satisfied my hunger for Tour coverage very nicely. I too noticed it isn't scheduled for next weekend and my guess is they won't carry it. If I hadn't seen it scheduled I would probably have signed up for the online coverage and in the past I have heard nothing but bad things about it... so a few stages fed my addiction nicely.

 

I was disappointed the second mountain stage finish was flat/downhill as I was hoping to see who really has it this year. The Tour is such a tease. :) And from the little I have read the emphasis is on time trialling this year which is another reason I didn't sign up. For me it's about the mountains.

post #42 of 82
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Originally Posted by ti-triodes View Post

You mean people watch cycling just to see the carnage? What is this- the NHL? biggrin.gif Seriously, did you know that cycling averages about one death a year? As an ex racer I can't even remember how many broken bones I got while racing. And a lot of old scars from hitting the tarmac. Sorry, when I see them go down, I cringe.
Most people only watch cycling when the Tour is on and that's the problem with Scott and Liam. Is this the face that cycling wants to put out to the general public- a couple of stiffs? Scott does have serious racing creds, but that means nothing to the casual viewer. They need someone to explain racing, not put them to sleep. And don't forget Bob twitching, grimacing and swinging his arms around. I love Bobke, but he does put a lot of people off.
Did Tyler ever apologize for his rant? It's funny, every one they interviewed said the crash was Tylers fault to begin with.

I know few people, outside of fellow cyclists, that watch the tour whatsoever or care one bit about it. I raced mountain bikes (just recreational level) and a tiny bit of road racing but when I almost got pushed into the ground in a corner in a crit when we weren't even in contention at the time, I stopped that nonsense real quick, asphalt isn't fun to go down on, much prefer dirt and no cars. Then there's the car carnage...they showed the repeat of Hoogerland getting knocked into the barbed wire by one of the tv cars last year, another way to get some public bloodlust going wink.gif

So who are the leading personalities in cycling that can take on talking head duties in retirement? Graduates of the RoadID commercials? Hincapie the hippie?
post #43 of 82
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Originally Posted by PooperScooper View Post

What seems to be the new trend, a very interesting and "crashy" first week. Tyler didn't have a whole lot of room to talk but the only thing that one could say is that Petacchi(?) shouldn't have veered to the right like that unless he was going to pass his lead out - which he didn't do. The amazing thing was that Greipel got almost stopped with both feet unclipped and managed to go on and win!

larry



The problem is the Tour is the Super Bowl and World Series of Cycling, all rolled into one. Every top cyclist wants to be in it, and they wait all year for it. So when they get there, they're pretty wired. All that energy gets channeled in the first week. They're trying to make a name for themselves, or they're trying to get a new contract for next season. And all the GC guys are trying to stay out of trouble till the 'real' Tour starts in the mountains. And all it takes is one guy to go down and it starts a chain reaction.


I believe Sagan also went down in the same crash and still finished okay. You got to be fearless, tough and insane to be a sprinter! biggrin.gif
post #44 of 82
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Originally Posted by lovinthehd View Post

I know few people, outside of fellow cyclists, that watch the tour whatsoever or care one bit about it. I raced mountain bikes (just recreational level) and a tiny bit of road racing but when I almost got pushed into the ground in a corner in a crit when we weren't even in contention at the time, I stopped that nonsense real quick, asphalt isn't fun to go down on, much prefer dirt and no cars. Then there's the car carnage...they showed the repeat of Hoogerland getting knocked into the barbed wire by one of the tv cars last year, another way to get some public bloodlust going wink.gif
So who are the leading personalities in cycling that can take on talking head duties in retirement? Graduates of the RoadID commercials? Hincapie the hippie?



OLN and Versus were getting pretty good ratings for the Tour, but probably a lot of that was the Lance effect. I'd be interested to see the ratings now, especially with the endless drug crap going on and no American going for the win

It's hard to tell who would be a good announcer. If you watch these guys getting interviewed, there's not much personality. These guys spend thousands of miles on their bikes every year and they're not used to getting interviewed. Cadel and Brad Wiggins are perfect examples of this.

Chris Horner would probably be pretty good. Tom Danielson isn't a bad speaker and David Millar is also pretty good. Hincapie is a possibility, he's got a nice easygoing manner and he certainly has enough experience. I bet he has some stories to tell! wink.gif


Edit. Jens Voight! Now there's someone I'd love to listen to. That's if he ever retires! biggrin.gif
post #45 of 82
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It's nice now that Cadel has to make up a fair amount of time. He will have to attack often and hopefully whittle away small increments. I don't think he'll be able to take minutes away in a mountain stage.

larry
post #46 of 82
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I was disappointed the second mountain stage finish was flat/downhill as I was hoping to see who really has it this year. The Tour is such a tease. smile.gif And from the little I have read the emphasis is on time trialling this year which is another reason I didn't sign up. For me it's about the mountains.

+1. Flat stages with a sprint finish only have about 20 seconds of real racing. Give me a good HC mountain top finish any day of the week.
post #47 of 82
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Originally Posted by PooperScooper View Post

What seems to be the new trend, a very interesting and "crashy" first week. Tyler didn't have a whole lot of room to talk but the only thing that one could say is that Petacchi(?) shouldn't have veered to the right like that unless he was going to pass his lead out - which he didn't do.
larry
Every time I see a replay, it looks like Tyler went down because his front wheel got taken out by the rider in front, not because he hit the rider to his right. I have never heard the announcers mention that. Yes, his wheel got hit since he couldn't move right but the cause was the rider in front who didn't hold his line. (cause, not fault? - failure to hold your line during the actual finish sprint is considered a foul but hard to police) Tyler contributed to the cause because he allowed his front wheel to overlap the rider in front.

Same thing happened to me yesterday but I had room to back out. Of course, hitting my brake on the bell lap instantly meant the end of the race for me.
post #48 of 82
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Originally Posted by lovinthehd View Post

I know few people, outside of fellow cyclists, that watch the tour whatsoever or care one bit about it. I raced mountain bikes (just recreational level) and a tiny bit of road racing but when I almost got pushed into the ground in a corner in a crit when we weren't even in contention at the time, I stopped that nonsense real quick, asphalt isn't fun to go down on, much prefer dirt and no cars....?
Did some single track on a 'cross bike during the off season. I'd rather hit the pavement than a tree or fall down a steep, wooded, rocky hillside.
post #49 of 82
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I don't like to fall - period. smile.gif

larry
post #50 of 82
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Every time I see a replay, it looks like Tyler went down because his front wheel got taken out by the rider in front, not because he hit the rider to his right. I have never heard the announcers mention that. Yes, his wheel got hit since he couldn't move right but the cause was the rider in front who didn't hold his line. (cause, not fault? - failure to hold your line during the actual finish sprint is considered a foul but hard to police) Tyler contributed to the cause because he allowed his front wheel to overlap the rider in front.
Same thing happened to me yesterday but I had room to back out. Of course, hitting my brake on the bell lap instantly meant the end of the race for me.


If you look closely, he was leaning against the guy to his right and the guy accelerated. Tyler basically fell over! If he touched wheels with the guy in front of him he would have flipped forward. The guy in front also would have jerked but he didn't.

As Paul Sherwin says "Just a bit of argybargy".
post #51 of 82
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Originally Posted by PooperScooper View Post

It's nice now that Cadel has to make up a fair amount of time. He will have to attack often and hopefully whittle away small increments. I don't think he'll be able to take minutes away in a mountain stage.
larry


This should be interesting. However, Wiggins weakness in the past has always been the high mountains.
post #52 of 82
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I was just looking on steephill for today's stage info and saw the Google street view links for the climbs which I hadn't noticed before. Pretty cool.

larry
post #53 of 82
Two weeks into the Tour and what have we learned so far?



Am I the only one who's getting tired of Sagan already?

Cavendish would be wise to look for a new team next year. Unless there's something wrong with him he obviously misses having a good leadout train. He seems a bit lost. Seeing the rainbow jersey act as a bottle carrier is sort of painful.

Chris Froome would be wise to look for a new team next year. He would probably be leading the Tour if he didn't have to defer to Wiggins.

Cav and Froome are perfect examples on why "superteams" don't work in the grand tours. The entire team has to sacrifice itself for one goal, Whether it's to win the yellow or the green jersey, it can't do both.

Fans of American cycling have to love Tejay Van Garderen. It was getting scary that the best American cyclists are all pushing 40. Tejay is the real deal and looks like he'll compete for yellow in the future. Some people are saying he's stronger than Cadel but I'll believe it when I see it. Cadel always gets stronger in the 3rd week and the climbs in the Pyrenees are tougher than the Alps. It will be a good test for Tejay.

Doesn't it look like Wiggins is riding on Ambien or something? biggrin.gif
post #54 of 82
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Two weeks into the Tour and what have we learned so far?
Cav and Froome are perfect examples on why "superteams" don't work in the grand tours. The entire team has to sacrifice itself for one goal, Whether it's to win the yellow or the green jersey, it can't do both.


The same was said of the Molteni team that worked for Eddy Merckx.He had teamates that could have won the Tour. It's also a fact that Merckx held the Yellow, Polka dot, and green points jersey in the Tour, name another rider that has achieved that status? That would have been in the seventies for you newer cycling fans!biggrin.gif

I believe Greg Le Mond would agree with you also, he gave up his chance of winning his first TDF for Bernard Hinault!
post #55 of 82
The tacks made for a interesting day. Wiggins showed class. Tejay's interview about Evans shouting at him and going by was a bit strange.
post #56 of 82
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The same was said of the Molteni team that worked for Eddy Merckx.He had teamates that could have won the Tour. It's also a fact that Merckx held the Yellow, Polka dot, and green points jersey in the Tour, name another rider that has achieved that status? That would have been in the seventies for you newer cycling fans!biggrin.gif
I believe Greg Le Mond would agree with you also, he gave up his chance of winning his first TDF for Bernard Hinault!


Good memory! No one will ever be better than Eddy. Yeah, it's pretty common for a team to hire a rival for the GC to help ride pace. You figure the pay has to be pretty good for a rider to give up his chance for glory. LeMond and Hinault have to be the most famous example of this. LeMond was clearly better than Hinault in '85. Can you imagine what the modern media would do with the '86 Tour? Listening to LeMond whine about The Badger every day would have sent them into fits!

BTW, I wonder what Hinault is thinking when he's zipping up the back of those jerseys on every stage? He probably knows he'd would eat most of these guys alive! biggrin.gif

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The tacks made for a interesting day. Wiggins showed class. Tejay's interview about Evans shouting at him and going by was a bit strange.


Tejay screwed up and he knew it. He seems to be more interested in keeping the white jersey than in helping his team leader. I'm sure he heard it last night.
post #57 of 82
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Good memory! No one will ever be better than Eddy. Yeah, it's pretty common for a team to hire a rival for the GC to help ride pace. You figure the pay has to be pretty good for a rider to give up his chance for glory. LeMond and Hinault have to be the most famous example of this. LeMond was clearly better than Hinault in '85. Can you imagine what the modern media would do with the '86 Tour? Listening to LeMond whine about The Badger every day would have sent them into fits!
BTW, I wonder what Hinault is thinking when he's zipping up the back of those jerseys on every stage? He probably knows he'd would eat most of these guys alive! biggrin.gif
Tejay screwed up and he knew it. He seems to be more interested in keeping the white jersey than in helping his team leader. I'm sure he heard it last night.

He knew exactly what he was doing when he ignored Cadel's yelling, he looked right in his direction and turned the other way! When they interviewed him he even admitted he thought there was another teamate to help. Wrong answer Tejay you are also there to work for the team leader. He knows two teamates assisting is better than one especially on a decent. I'm pretty sure he got his ass strapped by the director sportif and Cadel himself.
post #58 of 82
Maybe just a foreshadow of today with TJ moving past Cadel....
post #59 of 82
Geez, the French do love their own. I hope little Tommy "Rubber Face" Voeckler doesn't do anything else in the race. I'd like to watch some other riders racing the Tour this year!


We pretty much missed Cadel getting dropped on 2 mountains yesterday. He's only the defending champion. rolleyes.gif
post #60 of 82
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Geez, the French do love their own. I hope little Tommy "Rubber Face" Voeckler doesn't do anything else in the race. I'd like to watch some other riders racing the Tour this year!


We pretty much missed Cadel getting dropped on 2 mountains yesterday. He's only the defending champion. rolleyes.gif

I think of Robin Williams when I see Voeckler, he looks like a fairly young version of Robin...

Hey, it's French TV. US tv for sports is no different...
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