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post #31 of 169
nice! may i ask why the decision for such shallow diffusers?? all of the work is in cutting and gluing - wouldn't have been very much extra work/time to build with a much lower design freq. did you utilize a calculator (for primitive root number sequence)? or did you just randomly put them together??
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nice! may i ask why the decision for such shallow diffusers?? all of the work is in cutting and gluing - wouldn't have been very much extra work/time to build with a much lower design freq. did you utilize a calculator (for primitive root number sequence)? or did you just randomly put them together??

I wanted to correct the problem of reflection from the ceiling and have found that the range of approx 800 to 4000hz is the biggest problem at the reflection in the ceiling. Therefore, these built for the area from 1000 to 3600hz. I use a calculator for calculations.

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post #33 of 169
something's wrong with that calculator - PRDs are NOT to have the same number of wells (vertical and horizontal).

that calc is showing 12x12

PRD well #s should multiply to be the Prime number - 1.

so if you're using Prime # 157, then your wells could be 12 x 13

12 x 13 = 156 (which is Prime # 157 minus 1).

bear in mind also the HF cut-off will change due to angle of incidence (on the ceiling) being non-normal. just FYI.
post #34 of 169
yeah that's an old BBC PRD sequence that actually is an array of many smaller PRDs.
severely limited design - this sequence really does make the rounds on the internet, tho

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/pubs/reports/1990-15.pdf
http://www.bbc.co.uk/rd/pubs/reports/1995-01.pdf
post #35 of 169
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The next step was to build a sub for test in the cinema. I want a sub solution thet goes down to 15Hz and integrate well with the rest of the system. Driver selection is TC Sounds LMS-R15.

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post #36 of 169
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Then it's time to build the center channel, it should be the same as the left and right channel. The reason for this is that sound in the front should be exactly the same, do not listen to transitions between the LCR.


Here are some pictures from my living room during the testing of the front speakers. The screen is in the living room is 50 "so it's no small speakers.

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post #37 of 169
You should start a thread in the DIY Speakers and Subs forum. Nice job on the speakers. What's the purpose of the drywall in the sub enclosures?

Have you taken measurements to see how they perform?

Tim
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You should start a thread in the DIY Speakers and Subs forum. Nice job on the speakers. What's the purpose of the drywall in the sub enclosures?
Have you taken measurements to see how they perform?
Tim
Thought that it would be a good idea to make a thread of the sub and speakers.

The purpose of the plate in the sub structure is less resonance in the cabinet. I have measurements on the setup and will post those when everything is added up. The system plays from 12-13Hz to 20kHz. Front speakers play down to about 30Hz.
post #39 of 169
Impressive system. The build looked more like what I am used to seeing on a commercial construction project. Have used track saws on many remodeling jobs. The self leveling flowcrete is a neat product that I have used a few times. Audio wise, you have a system built for pure performance. The dynamics have to be fantastic. Enjoyed reading the thread. smile.gif
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post #40 of 169
Nice buiild -both the room and the speakers smile.gif. What's the dimensions of the room?
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Nice wiring job, very clean, well done.
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Impressive system. The build looked more like what I am used to seeing on a commercial construction project. Have used track saws on many remodeling jobs. The self leveling flowcrete is a neat product that I have used a few times. Audio wise, you have a system built for pure performance. The dynamics have to be fantastic. Enjoyed reading the thread. smile.gif
Thank you for the kind words!
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Nice buiild -both the room and the speakers smile.gif. What's the dimensions of the room?
This is a simple sketch of the room and goals, all measurements are taken in centimeters, 1" is 2.54 cm.

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Nice wiring job, very clean, well done.
Thank you!!
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Here are some pictures of the test rig, my dog ​​is always with me when i am in Home Theater.

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The screen has come, time for test fitting of it.

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This is a simple sketch of the room and goals, all measurements are taken in centimeters, 1" is 2.54 cm.
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Sweet. That's pretty much exactly the dimensions I have to work with in my new(ly bought, piece of crap infinite restauration project-)house.I won't do a room-in-the-room build (initially). BTW, bold move to cover up the windows smile.gif Otherwise, with Nordic conditions and building standards in mind, it looks like a sound build moisture-wise as well as sound wise.

I semi-frequent Norway in "bursts" so if you're situated around the Oslo area I might just have to schedule a visit to get my inner organs pulverised. next time "norway is calling" smile.gif

regards,

H
post #48 of 169
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Sweet. That's pretty much exactly the dimensions I have to work with in my new(ly bought, piece of crap infinite restauration project-)house.I won't do a room-in-the-room build (initially). BTW, bold move to cover up the windows smile.gif Otherwise, with Nordic conditions and building standards in mind, it looks like a sound build moisture-wise as well as sound wise.
I semi-frequent Norway in "bursts" so if you're situated around the Oslo area I might just have to schedule a visit to get my inner organs pulverised. next time "norway is calling" smile.gif
regards,
H
I live just outside Oslo, Bærum, would you have wanted to visit me next time you are in Norway, speak out, you are welcome to visit! smile.gif
post #49 of 169
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Then it's time for surround sound, there's also DIY. They are calculated for the same sound signature as the LCR. I use a bass / midrange Beyma 15P80Nd and ribbon midrange / tweeter Beyma TPL-150.

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post #50 of 169
SERIOUSLY NICE JOB..........................WOW MAN DUDE the speakers you have OH MAN.. Im drooling:D

I couldnt beleive it when you said SKYLINE DIFUSER PANNELS and then you made your own......We are both thinging alike....Although I made mine with Foam and spent a few days making two pannels for my old room. I researched the wood blocks and then found a company making the SKYLINE with foam and they are 250.00 for a 24" X 24" pannel......Yea I made my own for 60.00 a panel and they are 24" by 6 feet

I built a complete staggered acoustic ceilign for my new room and didnt want to use the pannels although after the work involved building them I will put them somewhere...They got a little damaged in my last move but very easy to fix.

Im not going to hijack your post and post pics of my stuff....Much respect man killer killer impressive work! Norweigan engineering at it finest!
If your doing systems like that in Norway for a living Id sell my house sell my business and come for you smile.gif
Edited by Vic C - 6/30/12 at 7:40pm
post #51 of 169
You guys with the pro audio amps I give a big fat thumbs UP wink.gif

I used to be ridiculed for years because of the use of pro amps and now what Ive been saying for years is comming true.....My business is based on it and now my new loudspeaker co is going to be a continuation of the principals.....

Crown I techs DAMN I havent used them but I hear they are animals....Ive used the XLS series and Im very impressed with what they are doing with Class D.......The Yamaha's stole my heart though a few years ago and I made the switch from older QSC's.

I also like the QSC CX series since they are basicly the same as the DCA's that are true cinema amps. I would definetly suggest those as well when condidering amps.
post #52 of 169
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Nice you like my project. Unfortunately too few people ho are interested in such home theater in Norway that one can live on it.

I like pro amps for the they gives you lots of power and sound quality at a low price.
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Then it is time for carpet in the theater and have seats mounted for the second row.

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post #54 of 169
BEF

Yea The only theaters Ive done recently was my own in my new home and a bedroom Projector and screen. I wouldnt even call it a theater as I rewired the rooms zone speakers as main speakers to a receiver so they can watch movies. The room was wired for a screen and projectos so I sold my client my JVC DLA HD550 and I upgraded to the RS40. I made enough on the bedroom system to pay for my projector and screen upgrade.

Other then that Im doing a lot of surround systems in living rooms....The economy is pretty bad no onecan afford these systems.
Thats why Im trying to get my other "company" division of my main business going so poeple can start to buy better speakers at reasonabel prices and get the idea they can buid a theater they can afford.

www.emavloudspeakers.com
post #55 of 169
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Quick question on your speakers. It looks like you are using a 900Hz crossover on the TPL-150H which has a rated frequency response only down to 700Hz. My limited understanding of ribbon drivers says this is a little dangerous for that driver. Can you describe the crossovers you are using on these speakers? Thanks.
post #56 of 169
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My limited understanding of ribbon drivers says this is a little dangerous for that driver.

Its not a ribbon, its an Air Motion Transducer/Transformer/AMT....quite different from a ribbon
post #57 of 169
Very interesting. Thank you. I just assumed it was a ribbon based on the appearance. That's what I get for assuming. rolleyes.gif

How would you compare the sound of that driver to other types of drivers? Is it more like a compression driver?
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Not wanting to hijack the thread - they are quite unique in the way they sound and IMO superior to all compression drivers I have heard (still not heard a very popular brand used here/AVS in high end rooms but I reckon they use the good B&C drivers which I dont mind and have heard but I dont think are as good).

AMT's have an apparent "airiness" about them. "Smooth" is often a word used to describe them. I was shocked the first time I heard one in a relatively modest setting. The ones the OP uses obviously have a wave guide, the ones I use dont but still have excellent off axis response. You can drive them very hard at high SPL with pretty much zero distortion. They're also known for the best transient response around.
post #59 of 169
IT8K_LMS18.I-Tech Series.zip 16k .zip file

BEF I've attach my iTech 8000 device file that I use for a pair of TC LMS's.
I spent hundreds of hours fine-tuning these settings to get maximum performance out of this amp/sub combo.

This was made with SystemArchitect version 3.1
All you have to do is unzip it and open it with that, and upload it into your amp, and set it to preset #3 LMS-18.

Technically it is optimized for sealed TC LMS-U 18's @ dual 1-ohm feed by a DEQ2496, but it should be safe for your ported LMS-R 15's as-is.
You should probably do some light refinement to these values to match closer to your room/sub, just MAKE SURE you turn down the volume because I have it set VERY HIGH (-20db).

There is almost nothing I don't know about these amps if you are looking for an expert opinion.

Here are the settings I have applied to it.

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Monitor your amps in/out console to make sure you don't see any red clip lights during loud music.
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post #60 of 169
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Thank you BassThatHz, for sharing your setup with me! You will see that i no longer use TC Sound speakers in my HT.
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