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post #1 of 15
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I'm finally starting to realize how limited a hand Hawaii deals you. I have checked almost everywhere online, and it seems the only free shipping available to Hawaii is amazon. Newegg, Parts Express, Ebay, etc.. don't ship to Hawaii unless for ridiculous amounts of money. So I'm stuck with Free Super Saver/Amazon Prime.

Right now I'm currently thinking of getting the Pioneer SP-BS21-LR 80 Watt RMS 2-Way Speaker for $79 on amazon along with the BIC America F12 12-Inch 475-Watt Front Firing Powered Subwoofer for $192 OR the Polk Audio TSi200 Bookshelf Speakers for $202 with the Polk Audio PSW10 10-Inch Monitor Series Powered Subwoofer for $99.

Needless to say my budget is around 300 (as I'm using the rest for a receiver that I have yet to decide. Currently looking at http://stores.bestbuy.com/763/open-box/music-mp3/home-audio/samsung-840w-72-ch-3d-pass-through-receiver-with-built-in-blu-ray-disc-player/HWD7000ZA/200000916601710/#p or http://stores.bestbuy.com/763/open-box/music-mp3/home-audio/sony-945w-71-ch-3d-pass-through-av-home-theater-receiver/STRDN1020/200000929288325/#p for the receiver. Open to any ideas but yea unless stated free worldwide shipping then amazon is my only option. Also my room is small so I think a 8" or 10" subwoofer would suffice. I'm a total noob at this so if there are better options then I'd love your input.
post #2 of 15
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Bump and I did some more narrowing down. Right now I'm thinking of the Pioneer SP-BS41-LR or the Pioneer SP-BS21-LR and the Pioneer SW-8 100 Watt ($120) or the Polk Audio PSW10 10-Inch ($99) I'm not entirely sure on the difference between the two so if someone could tell me it'd be a big help. And will both subs be about the same? I read that the Polk one kind of lacks in the bass, so I'd expect the Pioneer one to be worse, but then again my room is very small so it might not affect it to much. Also I was wondering if the LP-2020A+ Lepai Tripath Class would be enough to power this for now until I can raise enough money for the Denon AVR 1612.

Lastly would this setup be a noticeable stepup from something like the Klipsch Promedia 2.1/Swan M10.
post #3 of 15
You can look at buying the Pioneer sp41 speaker, which has decent bass.
I would skip those 2 subs, and put the money towards a receiver. Then,
save up for something like the Energy S10.3 subwoofer. A nice step up
ffrom your Klipsch system.
post #4 of 15
Of the Pioneer book shelf choices I would go with the SP-BS41-LR. They're great speakers for the price. I would stay away from the Polk PSW10. The Pioneer SW-8 is ok but it only extends down to 38 Hz and that's important if you want to watch movies. The SW-8 is probably fine for most music (except maybe house, dub-step, or organ music). Some better budget subwoofer options are the Bic F12, Polk PSW505, or the Energy S10.3. The Energy is out of your budget at $255 right now but it might be worth saving up just a bit more. You really can't skimp too much on the subwoofer.
post #5 of 15
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Thanks for the replies. Would it be better if I skimped on a receiver for now and get a subwoofer or to do the opposite? I have a sound card and I could get one of those mini amplifiers for now.

So either I can try:
Pioneer SP-BS41-LR ($140)
BIC F12 ($192)
LP-2020A+ Lepai Tripath Class-T ($30) <-- just an example I have no idea if it would work

or

Pioneer SP-BS41-LR ($140)
Denon AVR-1612 ($200)

I really would like the bass, but if you think the receiver is money well spent I will go with the second option.
post #6 of 15
For an 8" sub, the Mirage Omni-S8. It's essentially the little brother of the S10.3 that zieglj01 and postrokfan mentioned in an 8" model. Mirage and Energy have the same parent company that reuses sub designs, and the comparable sub to the S10.3 is the Mirage Omni S10. With your budget and small room, I'd go with the Omni S8 over the Polk and Pioneer subs you have mentioned. The Polk PSW10 is a one note sub thump box. The Omni sub series is a higher class of 8" sub design over the Pioneer SW8, which is very similar to lower model Energy 8" subs from the Omni S8.
post #7 of 15
I think the second option is a good one if you intend to add a decent subwoofer later. The Pioneer speakers aren't very efficient so the Lepai may not drive the speakers as loud as you might like. It would work but you would be volume limited. I guess it depends on what your typical listening volume is.
post #8 of 15
You should definitely skip the sub for now, until you can get a good one like the Energy S10.3 that zieglj01 mentioned. For the receiver, you can get this Pioneer used from Amazon for $130

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004M8RPAY/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&m=A2L77EE7U53NWQ

That adds $100 to your speaker budget. Now purchase a pair of these speakers

http://www.amazon.com/Infinity-Primus-Three-way-Speaker-Center-Channel/dp/B0044D1788/ref=sr_1_2?s=aht&ie=UTF8&qid=1339986701&sr=1-2&keywords=infinity+speakers

Stand them up for a pair of WmtmW monitors eek.gif After you add a sub, you can add a third for a matched LCR. Even though they're sealed, if your room is small you will still get solid bass.
post #9 of 15
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

For an 8" sub, the Mirage Omni-S8. It's essentially the little brother of the S10.3 that zieglj01 and postrokfan mentioned in an 8" model. Mirage and Energy have the same parent company that reuses sub designs, and the comparable sub to the S10.3 is the Mirage Omni S10. With your budget and small room, I'd go with the Omni S8 over the Polk and Pioneer subs you have mentioned. The Polk PSW10 is a one note sub thump box. The Omni sub series is a higher class of 8" sub design over the Pioneer SW8, which is very similar to lower model Energy 8" subs from the Omni S8.

How do these subs compare to the BIC F12? Would it be better to go with these or pay 30 more for the F12
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Originally Posted by Jay1 View Post

You should definitely skip the sub for now, until you can get a good one like the Energy S10.3 that zieglj01 mentioned. For the receiver, you can get this Pioneer used from Amazon for $130
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004M8RPAY/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&m=A2L77EE7U53NWQ
That adds $100 to your speaker budget. Now purchase a pair of these speakers
http://www.amazon.com/Infinity-Primus-Three-way-Speaker-Center-Channel/dp/B0044D1788/ref=sr_1_2?s=aht&ie=UTF8&qid=1339986701&sr=1-2&keywords=infinity+speakers
Stand them up for a pair of WmtmW monitors eek.gif After you add a sub, you can add a third for a matched LCR. Even though they're sealed, if your room is small you will still get solid bass.


What are the differences between the Pioneer and the Denon Receiver? I was going to go with the Denon because smoothie recommended it as the lowest budget Denon receiver I should go with, especially since it has that USB input. Also those speakers are 200 each, not for a pair... so that's 400 vs the 150 originally planned on spending lol.
post #10 of 15
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Originally Posted by Rerona View Post

How do these subs compare to the BIC F12? Would it be better to go with these or pay 30 more for the F12
What are the differences between the Pioneer and the Denon Receiver? I was going to go with the Denon because smoothie recommended it as the lowest budget Denon receiver I should go with, especially since it has that USB input. Also those speakers are 200 each, not for a pair... so that's 400 vs the 150 originally planned on spending lol.

You said your budget was $300pr, plus the $200-250 you were going to spend on a receiver. I suggested a receiver for $100 less, and a pair of speakers for $100 more smile.gif With a budget this small, you should focus your resources on quality speakers, as they by far make the biggest difference in sound quality. The Pioneer receiver will get the job done, and that's all that matters.
post #11 of 15
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Originally Posted by Jay1 View Post

You said your budget was $300pr, plus the $200-250 you were going to spend on a receiver. I suggested a receiver for $100 less, and a pair of speakers for $100 more smile.gif With a budget this small, you should focus your resources on quality speakers, as they by far make the biggest difference in sound quality. The Pioneer receiver will get the job done, and that's all that matters.

Preferably my budget was in the 300~400 range total, I was eyeing the Denon AVR 1312 for around 100 on ebay but after talking to Smoothie, who people say is quite the denon expert, he said I'm better off going the 1612 "as the 1312 doesn't include an Auto EQ program nor does it include Setup wizard to make installation easier for you. The 1612 also has a front USB jack to make connecting an iPhone or MP3 device much easier on the fly." With this in mind I was going to go with the 1612, but comparing the Pioneer that you mentioned and seeing the differences between the two would be nice (I know nothing of receivers either so laying it out for me would be nice).

As for speakers, honestly right now I'm using a 2.0 altec speakers I bought from walmart for 14 dollars. Originally I planned on getting the Klipsch or Swans but then read reviews that the Klipsch speakers are quite cheap and the Swans lack in bass (plus it's 120 + 40 to ship to Hawaii). I want to go the 5.1 route but right now I'm on a college budget, so I'm trying to make the best of what I can afford now. I listen to lots of music (all genres) and watch movies/game quite often so I'm sure bass would be much appreciated. If I was to go the route you plan it would really set me back on a subwoofer for quite a while I believe. Honestly though I still can't wrap my head around the whole subwoofer lows and response and tech stuff yet, but I have been reading that some speakers actually give decent bass response which I'm sure you are recommending to me. If I were to go this route, what are some speakers that make it so I don't need a subwoofer? Is it possible for speakers to get to the point where it can shake the room?

PS: I know 300~400 is very little to work on and I probably can't get much out of it. But I want to get the most bang for my money, and do plan on upgrading when I get the chance. I would also enjoy the opportunity to start low and get progressively better items to see if I can notice the difference, but at this point I'm almost completely sure anything will beat the 14 dollar speakers I have been using for 4 years now lol.
post #12 of 15
The Pioneer 521 is closer to the Denon 1612 then the 1312. It has an auto calibration, which the 1312 does not. The fact that Amazon is selling a "like new" condition used 521 for $100 less then the new price makes it a pretty good deal for you. Hooking up an ipod/mp3/etc shouldnt be a factor, any receiver can use on of these

http://www.amazon.com/Hosa-CMR210-Stereo-Inch-Dual/dp/B000068O3B/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1339994622&sr=1-2&keywords=rca+to+1+8

You would need some pretty serious speakers to eliminate a sub, and even then a good sub would still be better. Anyways, if you think it would be a while before you could get a sub, you probably should get a setup that includes one

I prefer this Bic over the F12, and it saves you a little change.

http://www.amazon.com/BIC-V-1220-430-Watt-Down-Firing-Subwoofer/dp/B0000Y2WYS/ref=sr_1_2?s=aht&ie=UTF8&qid=1339995129&sr=1-2&keywords=bic+sub

You could also get these JBL ES20's used from Amazon for $140

http://www.amazon.com/JBL-ES20BK-5-25-Inch-Bookshelf-Speaker/dp/B00167340E/ref=sr_1_48?ie=UTF8&m=A2L77EE7U53NWQ&s=merchant&qid=1339995912&sr=1-48
post #13 of 15
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Originally Posted by Jay1 View Post

The Pioneer 521 is closer to the Denon 1612 then the 1312. It has an auto calibration, which the 1312 does not. The fact that Amazon is selling a "like new" condition used 521 for $100 less then the new price makes it a pretty good deal for you. Hooking up an ipod/mp3/etc shouldnt be a factor, any receiver can use on of these
http://www.amazon.com/Hosa-CMR210-Stereo-Inch-Dual/dp/B000068O3B/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1339994622&sr=1-2&keywords=rca+to+1+8
You would need some pretty serious speakers to eliminate a sub, and even then a good sub would still be better. Anyways, if you think it would be a while before you could get a sub, you probably should get a setup that includes one
I prefer this Bic over the F12, and it saves you a little change.
http://www.amazon.com/BIC-V-1220-430-Watt-Down-Firing-Subwoofer/dp/B0000Y2WYS/ref=sr_1_2?s=aht&ie=UTF8&qid=1339995129&sr=1-2&keywords=bic+sub
You could also get these JBL ES20's used from Amazon for $140
http://www.amazon.com/JBL-ES20BK-5-25-Inch-Bookshelf-Speaker/dp/B00167340E/ref=sr_1_48?ie=UTF8&m=A2L77EE7U53NWQ&s=merchant&qid=1339995912&sr=1-48


THanks for clearing things up about the receiver.
What is the difference with this being down firing and front firing? If it means anything my floor is all wood, no carpet.
And for the speakers, how do they compare to the Pioneer BS41? Do they go lower? I actually haven't seen much on JBL when looking for budget speaker, mostly polk, pioneer, dayton, and energy.
post #14 of 15
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Originally Posted by Rerona View Post

THanks for clearing things up about the receiver.
What is the difference with this being down firing and front firing? If it means anything my floor is all wood, no carpet.
And for the speakers, how do they compare to the Pioneer BS41? Do they go lower? I actually haven't seen much on JBL when looking for budget speaker, mostly polk, pioneer, dayton, and energy.


The sub configuration wont matter. The V1220 has a little bit better low end then the F12 IMO, and costs less because of looks. Those JBL's are comparable to the BS41s, with a cleaner treble IMO.
post #15 of 15
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Originally Posted by Rerona View Post

And for the speakers, how do they compare to the Pioneer BS41? Do they go lower? I actually haven't seen much on JBL when looking for budget speaker, mostly polk, pioneer, dayton, and energy.
They both have a sort of rolled off treble sound - Pioneer will have better bass. It will mainly
be a matter of preference and choice. Both will be better than what you have owned.

Both will be better than Dayton - the Dayton is weak in the treble and bass.

Pioneer
measures +1.62/–4.50 decibels from 200 hertz to 10 kilohertz. The –3-dB point is at 67 Hz, and the –6-dB point is at 52 Hz.

JBL
measures +2.44/–4.67 decibels from 200 hertz to 10 kilohertz. The –3-dB point is at 84 Hz, and the –6-dB point is at 65 Hz. .
Edited by zieglj01 - 6/18/12 at 8:06am
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