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post #1 of 14
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Hi All,

I'm looking for amp thoughts/recommendations for a 7.1 theater setup I'm working on in my basement. Current audio equipment is as follows:
  • Integra DHC-80.3 pre/pro
  • Triad inroom Gold LCR
  • Surrounds tbd, but likely Triad silver or golds
  • Subs tbd, but likely 2 JTR Captivator S2's or Orbit Shifters

The room is large and open (~21x65x9, with theater in the front third, gameroom, bar, etc in remaining area). Would really love to do dedicated theater, but WAF dictates a more general open layout.

For amps, I'm currently looking at the following:
  • Outlaw 7900, MSRP $3,499 + shipping = $3,629.37
  • 3 Emotiva XPA-1, 2 Emotiva XPA-2, MSRP $4,135.50 (currently on sale, 10% off), free shipping
  • Others?

Any thoughts on the above? There's also B-stock 7900's that could save around $700 on that piece. The cost difference of the new Outlaw vs. Emotiva setups isn't really a factor for me, though the B stock savings could tip me in the Outlaw direction if there isn't a strong argument to go with the Emotiva setup.

Thanks so much for the help.

Mike
Edited by mjh222 - 6/16/12 at 3:49pm
post #2 of 14
If it were me, I would buy an ATI AT3000 amp. It is the same thing as the Outlaw 7900.ATI makes Outlaws amps. ATI amps are built like tanks and and customer service is excellent. Also, 7 year warranty.

I really like the look of the Emotivas and I bet if you call or email them and let them know you want 5 of their amps, they would take another 5-10% off. Do you have room for 5 of these amps when one will do pretty much the same thing?

I am a ATI owner and love them. Get the ATI AT3000 and don't look back.
post #3 of 14
I have had good luck with both brands. I feel Emotiva gives more bang for buck overall, but Outlaw equipment is U.S. made which matters to some folks.
post #4 of 14
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Originally Posted by UNICRON-WMD View Post

If it were me, I would buy an ATI AT3000 amp. It is the same thing as the Outlaw 7900.ATI makes Outlaws amps. ATI amps are built like tanks and and customer service is excellent. Also, 7 year warranty.

Do you happen to know what the MSRP is for the ATI 3007? I did a quick search and found the 3007 for a good bit more than the 7900 (http://www.wwsp.com/ati/pricing.htm) but the site looks pretty dated so not sure if that's a good indicator of current pricing. If it is current, maybe the 3007 has somewhat better spec'd components to justify?

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Originally Posted by UNICRON-WMD View Post

I really like the look of the Emotivas and I bet if you call or email them and let them know you want 5 of their amps, they would take another 5-10% off. Do you have room for 5 of these amps when one will do pretty much the same thing?

LOL, yeah, the Emotivas would take up substantially more space. I do have room for them, and there's a part of me that thinks the stack would look pretty cool smile.gif Not really a deciding factor, though.
post #5 of 14
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Originally Posted by mjh222 View Post


The room is large and open (~21x65x9, with theater in the front third, gameroom, bar, etc in remaining area). Would really love to do dedicated theater, but WAF dictates a more general open layout.

Here's the deal...
If you have not built the space yet and YOU want a dedicated room, make sure your wife understands the following:
Does your wife have any idea how LOUD a solid home theater system can get?
Is she willing to put up with loud movies, WHEN EVER YOU WANT TO WATCH THEM AT ALL HOURS OF THE DAY AND NIGHT...!
I have a dedicated room and there is nothing like having the ability to stay up and watch a movie when the rest of the family is in bed sleeping and you know you won't wake anyone up. Even on weekdays. Try watching a movie at near reference levels in the middle of the week with an open media room type lay-out. It won’t happen…! My wife had the same attitude as yours. Now she invites her co-workers out about twice per year for a movie night. Our kids love the room. What you will find is that the room will not be just YOUR room. wink.gif
Then ask her if she cares if you treat the walls/ceilings as necessary in an open floor plan to achieve the audio performance you wish.
Are you planning on getting a front projector? If so, is she willing to have a black ceiling in an open media room type lay-out?
What about seating? A dedicated home theater allows you to have better optimal seating.
As far as resale value is concerned, about 5 years ago my wife and I considered moving to another job. When we brought in a realtor, she said the theater would be a huge selling point for our home.
Personally… I'd get your room in order before I worried about A/V components.
Just my opinion...
post #6 of 14
The B-stock 7900 has a full 5-year warranty that new products have, and also has free shipping if you were looking for additional "tip" for your tipping point.
post #7 of 14
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Originally Posted by mjh222 View Post

Do you happen to know what the MSRP is for the ATI 3007? I did a quick search and found the 3007 for a good bit more than the 7900 (http://www.wwsp.com/ati/pricing.htm) but the site looks pretty dated so not sure if that's a good indicator of current pricing. If it is current, maybe the 3007 has somewhat better spec'd components to justify?
LOL, yeah, the Emotivas would take up substantially more space. I do have room for them, and there's a part of me that thinks the stack would look pretty cool smile.gif Not really a deciding factor, though.

Yeah, ATI's website sucks but their amps are top notch. I have had mine for about 10 years now, probably the last time they updated their website. lol I am sure if you find a dealer, you could talk him down to Outlaw's price.

On the other hand, a rack full of Emotives would look pretty awesome. I also have heard good things about them. I say, whichever one/s you can get cheaper, go for it.
post #8 of 14
Have you considered one of the Class D amps like Wyred 4 Sound or D-Sonic? You can configure them how you want and they are much smaller and lighter.
post #9 of 14
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Originally Posted by saeyedoc View Post

Have you considered one of the Class D amps like Wyred 4 Sound or D-Sonic? You can configure them how you want and they are much smaller and lighter.

Great question, saeyedoc. I did stumble across the Wyred4Sound amps while reading through RMK!'s theater build (powering some JTR's) and am intrigued. Any thoughts on why the Class D's haven't been more widely adopted? It's probably the lack of popularity that's kept them on the bubble of my short list (admittedly not a good rationale) so would love to hear opinions on them.
post #10 of 14
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Originally Posted by saeyedoc View Post

Have you considered one of the Class D amps like Wyred 4 Sound or D-Sonic? You can configure them how you want and they are much smaller and lighter.

Great question, saeyedoc. I did stumble across the Wyred4Sound amps while reading through RMK!'s theater build (powering some JTR's) and am intrigued. Any thoughts on why the Class D's haven't been more widely adopted? It's probably the lack of popularity that's kept them on the bubble of my short list (admittedly not a good rationale) so would love to hear opinions on them.
forum member thrang used em with his b&w 802ds. Check with him!

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post #11 of 14
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Originally Posted by suffolk112000 View Post

Here's the deal...
If you have not built the space yet and YOU want a dedicated room, make sure your wife understands the following:
Does your wife have any idea how LOUD a solid home theater system can get?
Is she willing to put up with loud movies, WHEN EVER YOU WANT TO WATCH THEM AT ALL HOURS OF THE DAY AND NIGHT...!
I have a dedicated room and there is nothing like having the ability to stay up and watch a movie when the rest of the family is in bed sleeping and you know you won't wake anyone up. Even on weekdays. Try watching a movie at near reference levels in the middle of the week with an open media room type lay-out. It won’t happen…! My wife had the same attitude as yours. Now she invites her co-workers out about twice per year for a movie night. Our kids love the room. What you will find is that the room will not be just YOUR room. wink.gif
Then ask her if she cares if you treat the walls/ceilings as necessary in an open floor plan to achieve the audio performance you wish.
Are you planning on getting a front projector? If so, is she willing to have a black ceiling in an open media room type lay-out?
What about seating? A dedicated home theater allows you to have better optimal seating.
As far as resale value is concerned, about 5 years ago my wife and I considered moving to another job. When we brought in a realtor, she said the theater would be a huge selling point for our home.
Personally… I'd get your room in order before I worried about A/V components.
Just my opinion...

Thanks suffolk112000! We're actually pretty set on the open space, and thank goodness she's really into the watching movies at high volumes as well (not to mention she's way more of a night owl than me). We're fortunate that the space we're using is in the basement and the kids sleep very soundly up on the third story through all sorts of ruckus smile.gif. The basement ceiling is already insulated and I've been surprised at how little sound we hear coming from there. We will be doing a front projector with 2 rows of theater style seating. Lengthwise behind the 2nd row of seating we're planning a pub table/chairs to transition into the pool table/bar area. We realize that we're going to be making acoustical compromises by not doing a true dedicated space and I'm sure that will bother me a bit, but we are planning to engineer the room as much as we can (bass traps, panels, dark ceiling).

Would your amp recommendations be any different based on whether we went with the open space vs. dedicated theater arrangement? Part of my thought process is that I'd like to buy equipment that will work well now in the open space, but would also be appropriate if we did decide later to go with the dedicated theater.

Thanks!
Mike
post #12 of 14
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Originally Posted by mjh222 View Post

Great question, saeyedoc. I did stumble across the Wyred4Sound amps while reading through RMK!'s theater build (powering some JTR's) and am intrigued. Any thoughts on why the Class D's haven't been more widely adopted? It's probably the lack of popularity that's kept them on the bubble of my short list (admittedly not a good rationale) so would love to hear opinions on them.
They seem to be more popular with the 2-channel crowd and in pro gear. The Hypex DYI modules have been getting a lot of buzz. If I had to replace my 5-channel Parasound amp right now, I'd get a 3 channel W4S or d-sonic and use my AVR for the surrounds. My big, heavy amp is a pain to move around.
post #13 of 14
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Originally Posted by rnatalli View Post

I have had good luck with both brands. I feel Emotiva gives more bang for buck overall, but Outlaw equipment is U.S. made which matters to some folks.

Only their multichannel amps are made in the U.S.... everything else branded outlaw is made in China.
post #14 of 14
I have an ATI 2007. It is the cleanest sounding and most dynamic amp I've ever heard. The 3000 series will take a dedicated 20 amp outlet. The Outlaw takes 2 15 amp.

I went to the ATI facility here in LA. They really do build the amps by hand on rows of work benches. Lovely people. Met the men who built my amp.

They build amps for Lexicon, Cary, Outlaw and a number of other brands. They claim that their amps are a little different than the ones they make for Outlaw. You can search ATI vs, Outlaw and find some data on that.

Below is the link to their website. It say "B" stock but the amps are new in the box. I think they have to be careful about competing with their clients.

http://www.classicaudioparts.com/index.php/amplifiers/ati-at3007-seven-channel-x-300-watt-amplifier-b-stock-120-v.html

Good luck on your search. By the way....those stupid ugly litle bars on the ATI? Hated them until they came in handy 3-4 times when I had to move the amp. Now I'm glad their there.
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