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Help with Tuning Benq W7000 for less "Pop"

post #1 of 9
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Hello all, i finally had some time to spend with the new W7000(1.03) in 2D mode this weekend, I'm replacing a W5000 which I'm quite satisfied with. I'm not an expert at all with projectors and I'm hoping someone is willing to help me out. I'm wondering if anyone has some suggestions on the best settings for 2D and movie watching. The 2 items i'd like to address are:

1) The picture "pop" makes movies look like cheap TV shows.
2) I seem to need to adjust gamma to 1.8 to get any detail in the dark picture. ie. in Iron Man 2, black widows blue suit looks black with no detail until the gamma is set to 1.6 -1.8. Same thing with Thor, i lose all detail in the blacks without the gamma low, however even with gamma at 2.4 all the bright scenes are very bright almost perfect, but dark scenes are overly dark.
3) Is there any way to get the deepest projector black - darker? I can clearly see the 16:9 greyness on an all black screen as lighter than the screen looks in darkness. Is this just because of the high lumens? My W5000's black is almost as black as the screen in darkness.

Here is what I've tried:
1) I've tried setting the lamp to economic, working from the "cinema" mode base, setting the color temp to warm, setting detail enhancement to zero and setting sharpness to zero. Even with this it makes movies that look like "movies" on my W5000 and plasma look like a cheap "made for TV drama", if you know what I mean? I'm not quite sure why since it's from the same source. I've been using Live Free Die Hard, and Aliens as prime examples of this. Anyone got suggestions for user adjustable settings?

2) I'm curious what other people's gamma settings are with this projector. What other settings are people using for movie watching.


Thanks in advance.
post #2 of 9
Maybe you have the FI on. That tends to make movies look like live t.v.
post #3 of 9
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I've done some more experimenting. I fixed the gamma and pop problem simply by changing HDMI from VIDEO to PC. I'm not sure why it made such a huge difference. on video the contrast was pretty intense, causing the dark bright contrast giving the pop. When I set to PC mode, it evened it out more and on gamma 2.4 was similar to the 1.8 gamma in video mode.

If anyone knows what the difference is, please let me know. All i know is that it really helped the situation. The picture doesn't have as much pop, but its much more realistic and has much more of the film quality about it.

I'm running HDMI - PC, Gamma 2.2, brightness 49, contrast 49, Frame interpolation = off, brilliant colour=on, Sharpness 0, colour temp standard.
post #4 of 9
What is your source device that's plugged into the W7000?
post #5 of 9
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Originally Posted by puppydg68 View Post

I've done some more experimenting. I fixed the gamma and pop problem simply by changing HDMI from VIDEO to PC. I'm not sure why it made such a huge difference. on video the contrast was pretty intense, causing the dark bright contrast giving the pop. When I set to PC mode, it evened it out more and on gamma 2.4 was similar to the 1.8 gamma in video mode.
If anyone knows what the difference is, please let me know. All i know is that it really helped the situation. The picture doesn't have as much pop, but its much more realistic and has much more of the film quality about it.

PC vs VIDEO has a different definition of what black and white are. Both use the same bits to carry the video, 0-255 for each color, PC levels defines black at 0 and white at 255, while VIDEO levels defines black at 16 and white at 235.

If you select VIDEO levels for a source that sending video at PC levels, you'll clip everything below 16 and above 235, resulting in crushed blacks and clipped whites and no amount of gamma tweaking will make it right. I wouldn't have used "pop" to describe it but using VIDEO setting for a PC source would have the effect of making some things look more contrasty and crushing blacks.
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I'm running HDMI - PC, Gamma 2.2, brightness 49, contrast 49, Frame interpolation = off, brilliant colour=on, Sharpness 0, colour temp standard.

You might want to try turning off Brilliant Color, that made things a little more "vivid" and less "natural" on my W5000 and Planar 8150, and IIRC from my W5000, "Warm" color temp is probably closer to reference D65 than standard.
post #6 of 9
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

What is your source device that's plugged into the W7000?

I tried with 2 sources.

PS3 HDMI
and Plex Media Server on PC.

using the same networked media files.
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Originally Posted by stanger89 View Post

You might want to try turning off Brilliant Color, that made things a little more "vivid" and less "natural" on my W5000 and Planar 8150, and IIRC from my W5000, "Warm" color temp is probably closer to reference D65 than standard.

Thanks for the explanation, that makes a lot of sense to me. I wonder why PS3 as a source experienced the same problem, as i would assume the HDMI out of PS3 would be considered video. I did originally have the projector set to "auto" and it was always choosing the Video setting.
post #8 of 9
There may be a setting in the PS3 for it to output PC levels.
post #9 of 9
Here is a must-read article for the topic-starter: http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10457
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