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1/5/13 at 10:06am
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post #302 of 365
1/5/13 at 12:00pm
I am eagerly awaiting my recently ordered 9600 from Amazon. I currently own 3 other newer LG models (6200, G2 and 7600) and after reading every single review and comment I could find online have no reason to think that with the proper calibration the 9600 will not out perform all of them and by a fairly decent ratio.
I have noticed that in general the latest LG panels have a very limited sweet spot for picture settings. Once you start getting even CLOSE to clipping the displays the flash lighting , banding and DSE becomes quite pronounced at times, depending on the program material. My expectations are not set unreasonably high for this model especially after confirming the lower number of dimming zones, however that does allow the display to avoid most ALL halo artifacts and for me that is a very good trade-off for slightly less than deepest darkest blacks.
I was not able to afford the current top Tier Sony OR the Sharp Elite, but neither of them can display 50Hz video which is essential for myself and my very large Pal collection that I do not wish to convert to 60Hz. From what I have read here the build quality seems to have increased after Aug of last year so I can only hope MY 9600 arriving on Monday will have a September build date or newer.
Either way, I will break in the panel for a few days and then calibrate using my iScan Duo and software package and see just how good this thing is and post my results. I do realize that the 2 year old model had deeper blacks, but they also sported some nasty halos. For the current sale price over at Amazon I finally had to take the bait and HOPE to heck I win the panel lottery as an exchange will probably be out of the question with stock dwindling to next to nothing now.
I'll post impressions and settings by next weekend if anyone's interested. Good luck to all the new 9600 owners out there! Cheers! Marty G
I have noticed that in general the latest LG panels have a very limited sweet spot for picture settings. Once you start getting even CLOSE to clipping the displays the flash lighting , banding and DSE becomes quite pronounced at times, depending on the program material. My expectations are not set unreasonably high for this model especially after confirming the lower number of dimming zones, however that does allow the display to avoid most ALL halo artifacts and for me that is a very good trade-off for slightly less than deepest darkest blacks.
I was not able to afford the current top Tier Sony OR the Sharp Elite, but neither of them can display 50Hz video which is essential for myself and my very large Pal collection that I do not wish to convert to 60Hz. From what I have read here the build quality seems to have increased after Aug of last year so I can only hope MY 9600 arriving on Monday will have a September build date or newer.
Either way, I will break in the panel for a few days and then calibrate using my iScan Duo and software package and see just how good this thing is and post my results. I do realize that the 2 year old model had deeper blacks, but they also sported some nasty halos. For the current sale price over at Amazon I finally had to take the bait and HOPE to heck I win the panel lottery as an exchange will probably be out of the question with stock dwindling to next to nothing now.
I'll post impressions and settings by next weekend if anyone's interested. Good luck to all the new 9600 owners out there! Cheers! Marty G
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1/5/13 at 11:08pm
Greetings to the forum.
I have been watching for a long time this thread and i am waiting to drop the prices for 55lm960v to buy it. I want to thank you all for your informations. I want to buy LG 55LM960V with LG BH9520TW home theater but i am wondering why do we need a smart tv and a smart bluray. I think it would be more dececnt from LG and other companies if they sell a tv with great picture permomance and a home theater package with smart capabilities so we had not to pay twice the same abilities. I am waiting your thoughts.
Best Regards.
I have been watching for a long time this thread and i am waiting to drop the prices for 55lm960v to buy it. I want to thank you all for your informations. I want to buy LG 55LM960V with LG BH9520TW home theater but i am wondering why do we need a smart tv and a smart bluray. I think it would be more dececnt from LG and other companies if they sell a tv with great picture permomance and a home theater package with smart capabilities so we had not to pay twice the same abilities. I am waiting your thoughts.
Best Regards.
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1/7/13 at 7:11pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by flyboy2160 
From the CNET CES report:
"In case you're wondering, LG told us that it will not sell a successor to the full-array local dimming 2012 flagship, the LM9600, in the U.S. in 2013. The 8 series is the highest-end mainstream TV the company has announced so far."
From the CNET CES report:
"In case you're wondering, LG told us that it will not sell a successor to the full-array local dimming 2012 flagship, the LM9600, in the U.S. in 2013. The 8 series is the highest-end mainstream TV the company has announced so far."
I guess their not happy with the response from the North American market regarding the 9600 series. CNET and PCmag US did not help with their reviews.
Edited by den106 - 1/7/13 at 7:18pm
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1/8/13 at 8:59pm
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Originally Posted by den106
I guess their not happy with the response from the North American market regarding the 9600 series. CNET and PCmag US did not help with their reviews.
I guess their not happy with the response from the North American market regarding the 9600 series. CNET and PCmag US did not help with their reviews.
yeah i mentioned about the 9600's being discontinued a couple pages back....i was told the reason was cause they are to expensive to build......more likely, too many were returned or serviced due to the light bleed and other issues with the technology.
i just got my lm7600.....gotta say it is an awesome picture with zero light bleed and no noticeable flash-lighting...great tv so far.
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1/10/13 at 10:20am
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Originally Posted by roaddust
Don't know why you say it's discontinued, Flatpanels said it is not being replaced and will be sold in 2013 and it's still on LG's website. ABT still shows them and their back ordered. Can't get them fast enough to fill order's.
Don't know why you say it's discontinued, Flatpanels said it is not being replaced and will be sold in 2013 and it's still on LG's website. ABT still shows them and their back ordered. Can't get them fast enough to fill order's.
^^^im just telling you what the rep told me, take it for what its worth........you never know what their motives are.
...side note... when talking with an lg customer service guy yesterday, i asked him about adjusting the picture settings...and he said flat out, "do not touch any settings...these tvs are calibrated in the factory to achieve the best possible picture"......he also went on to say that calibrating a tv is "old school" and nobody does that anymore with these newer tech tvs.............hahaha, what a joke...gimme a break buddy!
post #314 of 365
1/10/13 at 6:08pm
Sorry this post is so lengthy but I am trying to cover everything I can think of so far.
Received my 9600 4 days ago from Amazon. Box was mint, contents were as well. I was initially worried because the build date was MAY 2012 but this turned out to be a non issue at least so far. Banding and DSE during multiple content of all resolutions is the most minimal of all my 2012 LG's. (6200 , G2 and 7600) It really is VERY minimal. I used a BD of "Frozen Planet" as the ultimate banding test and it is just barely visible even on solid white , panning left and right and only partially visible and not all the time. Best I can hope for with a LCD I think. Screen uniformity on mine is REALLY good and I am just not used to this with LCD/LED panels. Very nice. I expected much more banding, honestly.
Also, the perceived level of visible fine detail is a good 22 to 25% MORE than my 7600 which is a 47inch panel and SHOULD render even MORE perceived detail. Of course this can be both a good and bad thing, depending upon your source maternal. I can certainly see MORE of my Fios "HD Lite" compression rearing it's ugly head.
SO what, if anything is wrong with the thing so far? Well, when I first powered up, there was a MASSIVE amount of flashlighting emanating from the lower right hand quadrant of the panel. I about freaked! Adjusting the local dimming and doing a quickie Contrast/Brightness/Backlight calibration did little to solve things.
After letting the unit settle in and playing a wide variety of content of varying aspect ratios I soon noticed the corner problem was fading fast. At this point a 2.35:1 aspect ratio is giving me jet black bars on top and bottom with just 1 and 1/2 inches of SLIGHT light bleed in the lower most right hand corner. And that too is fading. I did a quickie calibration today after leaving the panel ON for basically 3 days and I am using MED local dimming with a 2.2 gamma. MY blacks are VERY black. I watch in a totally dark room with a bias light mounted directly on and behind the panel. I am very pleased with the black levels and except for that 1 and 1/2 inch little area of slight light bleed, the panel has an excellent black/white response. I do not see the local dimming pumping in any way and I do not see ANY halos. I popped in THE BD of Star Wars
and played credits, front and back to check.
I notice a small amount of intermittent judder on ANY type of program material, 60hz, 50hz (upconverted) and 24. My sources are a Motorola Fios HD DVR and Oppo BDP-95. By setting the Tru Motion to "user" and just nudging Blur and Judder to "1" that is enough to eliminate all visible judder and at the same time avoid the dreaded "Soap Opera Effect"......
While I would prefer NOT to use the Tru Motion at all, this is a good compromise for me and only takes a few minutes to adjust to the slight "hyper reality" this low setting seems to impart. It is very subtle and gives me totally smooth jerk free motion on ALL my content.
Posting settings is really a crap shoot as everyone uses different source components and has different ideas about what looks "good". For me, I am looking for an accurate greyscale (within reason) and something that has good dynamic range while trying to remain glare free. I suffer from eye strain normally so it is important for me not to clip the panel in any way. LG is very picky when it comes to finding their "sweet spot" and I have found that every out of the box setting they give you is pretty bad. I basically turn them on and ignore what I see at first, let the panel physically break in and then do a quick Speers and Munsil run through to ballpark it.
I found the FlatPanelsHd 2 point color settings pretty accurate and until the panel has been used for another week or so I will use them.
Currently my settings while the panel burns in are as follows:
Every single processor set to "OFF" except for Tru Motion which I have set to "User" with "1" and "1" for judder/blur.
For problematic BD's or DVD's the "LOW" Noise Reduction setting is very helpful without introducing annoying artifacts.
***My settings are working for me, but may not for you.
Mode: Exp 1
Backlight: 50
Contrast: 78
Brightness: 53
Sharpness: 10 and 10
Color: 54
Tint: 0
Local Dimming: Medium
Energy Saver is OFF, Just Scan pixel mapping is ON
Gamma is 2.2 , Temp is WARM and for now I am using
the flatpanelshd.com quickie color settings of:
RGB Method 2 point
R high 0
G high -8
B high 9
R low -1
G low -3
B low 3
I have checked and rechecked using BD's ranging from Indiana Jones/Last Crusade, Star Trek II:Wrath of Khan , The Decendants , The Wizard of Oz and Maltese Falcon. Also, some Pal DVD , both color and B&W , some NTSC DVD of the same and assorted Xvids and MKVs. Colors looks correct. I am mostly fiddling with the brightness/contrast levels using increments of "1" notch at a time. I notice it takes the panel a few hours to settle in to any change in settings.
Unless this TV decides to star doing strange things, turning itself off, giving solid lines across the screen or sending up smoke signals. I am very pleased with the 9600. The initial price was a bit steep but for 2000 bucks I feel it is a very good buy and while it's not a Sharp Elite it is miles ahead of any LCD I have ever owned. I had a blast today watching "Casino Royale" and was really sucked into the film.
A final word: Whoever thought it was a good idea to trim this TV in chrome needs to find another job. Highly reflective and annoying with my room lights on. Otherwise a nice looking television.
Received my 9600 4 days ago from Amazon. Box was mint, contents were as well. I was initially worried because the build date was MAY 2012 but this turned out to be a non issue at least so far. Banding and DSE during multiple content of all resolutions is the most minimal of all my 2012 LG's. (6200 , G2 and 7600) It really is VERY minimal. I used a BD of "Frozen Planet" as the ultimate banding test and it is just barely visible even on solid white , panning left and right and only partially visible and not all the time. Best I can hope for with a LCD I think. Screen uniformity on mine is REALLY good and I am just not used to this with LCD/LED panels. Very nice. I expected much more banding, honestly.
Also, the perceived level of visible fine detail is a good 22 to 25% MORE than my 7600 which is a 47inch panel and SHOULD render even MORE perceived detail. Of course this can be both a good and bad thing, depending upon your source maternal. I can certainly see MORE of my Fios "HD Lite" compression rearing it's ugly head.
SO what, if anything is wrong with the thing so far? Well, when I first powered up, there was a MASSIVE amount of flashlighting emanating from the lower right hand quadrant of the panel. I about freaked! Adjusting the local dimming and doing a quickie Contrast/Brightness/Backlight calibration did little to solve things.
After letting the unit settle in and playing a wide variety of content of varying aspect ratios I soon noticed the corner problem was fading fast. At this point a 2.35:1 aspect ratio is giving me jet black bars on top and bottom with just 1 and 1/2 inches of SLIGHT light bleed in the lower most right hand corner. And that too is fading. I did a quickie calibration today after leaving the panel ON for basically 3 days and I am using MED local dimming with a 2.2 gamma. MY blacks are VERY black. I watch in a totally dark room with a bias light mounted directly on and behind the panel. I am very pleased with the black levels and except for that 1 and 1/2 inch little area of slight light bleed, the panel has an excellent black/white response. I do not see the local dimming pumping in any way and I do not see ANY halos. I popped in THE BD of Star Wars
and played credits, front and back to check.
I notice a small amount of intermittent judder on ANY type of program material, 60hz, 50hz (upconverted) and 24. My sources are a Motorola Fios HD DVR and Oppo BDP-95. By setting the Tru Motion to "user" and just nudging Blur and Judder to "1" that is enough to eliminate all visible judder and at the same time avoid the dreaded "Soap Opera Effect"......
While I would prefer NOT to use the Tru Motion at all, this is a good compromise for me and only takes a few minutes to adjust to the slight "hyper reality" this low setting seems to impart. It is very subtle and gives me totally smooth jerk free motion on ALL my content.
Posting settings is really a crap shoot as everyone uses different source components and has different ideas about what looks "good". For me, I am looking for an accurate greyscale (within reason) and something that has good dynamic range while trying to remain glare free. I suffer from eye strain normally so it is important for me not to clip the panel in any way. LG is very picky when it comes to finding their "sweet spot" and I have found that every out of the box setting they give you is pretty bad. I basically turn them on and ignore what I see at first, let the panel physically break in and then do a quick Speers and Munsil run through to ballpark it.
I found the FlatPanelsHd 2 point color settings pretty accurate and until the panel has been used for another week or so I will use them.
Currently my settings while the panel burns in are as follows:
Every single processor set to "OFF" except for Tru Motion which I have set to "User" with "1" and "1" for judder/blur.
For problematic BD's or DVD's the "LOW" Noise Reduction setting is very helpful without introducing annoying artifacts.
***My settings are working for me, but may not for you.
Mode: Exp 1
Backlight: 50
Contrast: 78
Brightness: 53
Sharpness: 10 and 10
Color: 54
Tint: 0
Local Dimming: Medium
Energy Saver is OFF, Just Scan pixel mapping is ON
Gamma is 2.2 , Temp is WARM and for now I am using
the flatpanelshd.com quickie color settings of:
RGB Method 2 point
R high 0
G high -8
B high 9
R low -1
G low -3
B low 3
I have checked and rechecked using BD's ranging from Indiana Jones/Last Crusade, Star Trek II:Wrath of Khan , The Decendants , The Wizard of Oz and Maltese Falcon. Also, some Pal DVD , both color and B&W , some NTSC DVD of the same and assorted Xvids and MKVs. Colors looks correct. I am mostly fiddling with the brightness/contrast levels using increments of "1" notch at a time. I notice it takes the panel a few hours to settle in to any change in settings.
Unless this TV decides to star doing strange things, turning itself off, giving solid lines across the screen or sending up smoke signals. I am very pleased with the 9600. The initial price was a bit steep but for 2000 bucks I feel it is a very good buy and while it's not a Sharp Elite it is miles ahead of any LCD I have ever owned. I had a blast today watching "Casino Royale" and was really sucked into the film.
A final word: Whoever thought it was a good idea to trim this TV in chrome needs to find another job. Highly reflective and annoying with my room lights on. Otherwise a nice looking television.
post #315 of 365
1/11/13 at 10:26am
Quote:
The 9600 series seems to be now their 4K line starting with the 84"... SJOriginally Posted by flyboy2160
From the CNET CES report:
"In case you're wondering, LG told us that it will not sell a successor to the full-array local dimming 2012 flagship, the LM9600, in the U.S. in 2013. The 8 series is the highest-end mainstream TV the company has announced so far."
From the CNET CES report:
"In case you're wondering, LG told us that it will not sell a successor to the full-array local dimming 2012 flagship, the LM9600, in the U.S. in 2013. The 8 series is the highest-end mainstream TV the company has announced so far."
post #316 of 365
1/11/13 at 2:03pm
Thanks for sharing Marty, your input is appreciated. I to am using hdpanel settings with a little tweak here and there with very good results. I returned my first 47lm9600 because of the flashlight problem only to get the exact problem areas as the first(we'll call this a learning curve) As with you, I burned in both sets for 3 days straight with different program material. The flashlight did reduce to some degree and is not visible on most sources. Though,on some very dark scenes I can notice it but for the most part I am getting used to it. In time the problem may reduce even more. At this point In time i am calling the 9600 a keeper. For the few negatives it has there are too many positives to give up on this set.
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1/12/13 at 2:17am
hi,
i live in japan.
i have a LG TV MODEL NO - 47LM9600 ( 3D SMART TV) but its in japanese and i dnt know how to change its OSD MENU LANGUAGE TO ENGLISH . I ALSO GOOGLED IT N ALL BUT SO FAR NO LUCK . so someone plz help me out.i dnt know how to use this thing may be service menu can help but i dnt know how to access it or where to find the code to access its service menu . and all guides n manuals r also in japanese . ANY HELP AND SUGGESTIONS GUYS .
i live in japan.
i have a LG TV MODEL NO - 47LM9600 ( 3D SMART TV) but its in japanese and i dnt know how to change its OSD MENU LANGUAGE TO ENGLISH . I ALSO GOOGLED IT N ALL BUT SO FAR NO LUCK . so someone plz help me out.i dnt know how to use this thing may be service menu can help but i dnt know how to access it or where to find the code to access its service menu . and all guides n manuals r also in japanese . ANY HELP AND SUGGESTIONS GUYS .
post #318 of 365
1/12/13 at 11:09am
Quote:
Originally Posted by IMRANSNAKE
hi,
i live in japan.
i have a LG TV MODEL NO - 47LM9600 ( 3D SMART TV) but its in japanese and i dnt know how to change its OSD MENU LANGUAGE TO ENGLISH . I ALSO GOOGLED IT N ALL BUT SO FAR NO LUCK . so someone plz help me out.i dnt know how to use this thing may be service menu can help but i dnt know how to access it or where to find the code to access its service menu . and all guides n manuals r also in japanese . ANY HELP AND SUGGESTIONS GUYS .
hi,
i live in japan.
i have a LG TV MODEL NO - 47LM9600 ( 3D SMART TV) but its in japanese and i dnt know how to change its OSD MENU LANGUAGE TO ENGLISH . I ALSO GOOGLED IT N ALL BUT SO FAR NO LUCK . so someone plz help me out.i dnt know how to use this thing may be service menu can help but i dnt know how to access it or where to find the code to access its service menu . and all guides n manuals r also in japanese . ANY HELP AND SUGGESTIONS GUYS .
here do this:
hit your home button on your remote
in the bottom left corner, choose the second icon, which is settings(has a pic of a gear icon)
in the settings menu, choose the third icon from the bottom( its a suitcase with a wrench pic)
the very first in the list is the language settings, click it once, and then use the side arrows in next pop up to change languages
Edited by rer420 - 1/14/13 at 7:08pm
post #319 of 365
1/12/13 at 6:52pm
RER420 . thanks but the problem is that the language icon is highlighted grey this means i cannot access it 
only if i have its service menu access code then i might be able to change its language option. BTW I WILL BE VERY THANKFUL if you teach me how to have best display for 3D viewing . and i only use this set for gaming n watching movies thats why i bought this tv to play 3D games n watch 3D movies . thanks for your help mate .
only if i have its service menu access code then i might be able to change its language option. BTW I WILL BE VERY THANKFUL if you teach me how to have best display for 3D viewing . and i only use this set for gaming n watching movies thats why i bought this tv to play 3D games n watch 3D movies . thanks for your help mate .
post #320 of 365
1/12/13 at 9:06pm
Quote:
access codes: 0000 or 0413Originally Posted by IMRANSNAKE
RER420 . thanks but the problem is that the language icon is highlighted grey this means i cannot access it only if i have its service menu access code then i might be able to change its language option. BTW I WILL BE VERY THANKFUL if you teach me how to have best display for 3D viewing . and i only use this set for gaming n watching movies thats why i bought this tv to play 3D games n watch 3D movies . thanks for your help mate .
RER420 . thanks but the problem is that the language icon is highlighted grey this means i cannot access it
only if i have its service menu access code then i might be able to change its language option. BTW I WILL BE VERY THANKFUL if you teach me how to have best display for 3D viewing . and i only use this set for gaming n watching movies thats why i bought this tv to play 3D games n watch 3D movies . thanks for your help mate .you can find more info about accessing service menu here:
http://openlgtv.org.ru/wiki/index.php/Access_hidden_service_menus_/_modes
post #321 of 365
1/15/13 at 8:06pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by rer420
access codes: 0000 or 0413
you can find more info about accessing service menu here:
http://openlgtv.org.ru/wiki/index.php/Access_hidden_service_menus_/_modes
access codes: 0000 or 0413
you can find more info about accessing service menu here:
http://openlgtv.org.ru/wiki/index.php/Access_hidden_service_menus_/_modes
thanks mate . BUT WHERE AND HOW TO TO INPUT THESE CODES -0000- 0413 . please tell me how to use these codes sorry but i dnt know how and where to use these codes .
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To anyone who is a 3d fan, get the latest firmware. I bought my 9600 in July, and checked out it's 2d to 3d conversion. I wasn't impressed. The new upgrade provides a big improvement for this feature on my set. I compared the Alabama/ ND game on dtv 3d channel with regular channel upconvert, and the upconvert was better. Real difference though is regular programming upconverts. Sports were already a decent upconvert, but now so are normal programs. As always, 2d or 3d, the source determines the results.
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1/19/13 at 12:12pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by teamw
To anyone who is a 3d fan, get the latest firmware. I bought my 9600 in July, and checked out it's 2d to 3d conversion. I wasn't impressed. The new upgrade provides a big improvement for this feature on my set. I compared the Alabama/ ND game on dtv 3d channel with regular channel upconvert, and the upconvert was better. Real difference though is regular programming upconverts. Sports were already a decent upconvert, but now so are normal programs. As always, 2d or 3d, the source determines the results.
teamw
To anyone who is a 3d fan, get the latest firmware. I bought my 9600 in July, and checked out it's 2d to 3d conversion. I wasn't impressed. The new upgrade provides a big improvement for this feature on my set. I compared the Alabama/ ND game on dtv 3d channel with regular channel upconvert, and the upconvert was better. Real difference though is regular programming upconverts. Sports were already a decent upconvert, but now so are normal programs. As always, 2d or 3d, the source determines the results.
teamw
can you specify the exact update number you installed...
as well confirm which 3d settings you are using, cheers.
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1/20/13 at 1:42pm
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Questions regarding this or any other calibration. Is the above setting used for all applications? I find it looks fine for movies but, for sports vivid looks better? Am I missing something ?Originally Posted by MartyGillis
Sorry this post is so lengthy but I am trying to cover everything I can think of so far.
Received my 9600 4 days ago from Amazon. Box was mint, contents were as well. I was initially worried because the build date was MAY 2012 but this turned out to be a non issue at least so far. Banding and DSE during multiple content of all resolutions is the most minimal of all my 2012 LG's. (6200 , G2 and 7600) It really is VERY minimal. I used a BD of "Frozen Planet" as the ultimate banding test and it is just barely visible even on solid white , panning left and right and only partially visible and not all the time. Best I can hope for with a LCD I think. Screen uniformity on mine is REALLY good and I am just not used to this with LCD/LED panels. Very nice. I expected much more banding, honestly.
Also, the perceived level of visible fine detail is a good 22 to 25% MORE than my 7600 which is a 47inch panel and SHOULD render even MORE perceived detail. Of course this can be both a good and bad thing, depending upon your source maternal. I can certainly see MORE of my Fios "HD Lite" compression rearing it's ugly head.
SO what, if anything is wrong with the thing so far? Well, when I first powered up, there was a MASSIVE amount of flashlighting emanating from the lower right hand quadrant of the panel. I about freaked! Adjusting the local dimming and doing a quickie Contrast/Brightness/Backlight calibration did little to solve things.
After letting the unit settle in and playing a wide variety of content of varying aspect ratios I soon noticed the corner problem was fading fast. At this point a 2.35:1 aspect ratio is giving me jet black bars on top and bottom with just 1 and 1/2 inches of SLIGHT light bleed in the lower most right hand corner. And that too is fading. I did a quickie calibration today after leaving the panel ON for basically 3 days and I am using MED local dimming with a 2.2 gamma. MY blacks are VERY black. I watch in a totally dark room with a bias light mounted directly on and behind the panel. I am very pleased with the black levels and except for that 1 and 1/2 inch little area of slight light bleed, the panel has an excellent black/white response. I do not see the local dimming pumping in any way and I do not see ANY halos. I popped in THE BD of Star Wars
and played credits, front and back to check.
I notice a small amount of intermittent judder on ANY type of program material, 60hz, 50hz (upconverted) and 24. My sources are a Motorola Fios HD DVR and Oppo BDP-95. By setting the Tru Motion to "user" and just nudging Blur and Judder to "1" that is enough to eliminate all visible judder and at the same time avoid the dreaded "Soap Opera Effect"......
While I would prefer NOT to use the Tru Motion at all, this is a good compromise for me and only takes a few minutes to adjust to the slight "hyper reality" this low setting seems to impart. It is very subtle and gives me totally smooth jerk free motion on ALL my content.
Posting settings is really a crap shoot as everyone uses different source components and has different ideas about what looks "good". For me, I am looking for an accurate greyscale (within reason) and something that has good dynamic range while trying to remain glare free. I suffer from eye strain normally so it is important for me not to clip the panel in any way. LG is very picky when it comes to finding their "sweet spot" and I have found that every out of the box setting they give you is pretty bad. I basically turn them on and ignore what I see at first, let the panel physically break in and then do a quick Speers and Munsil run through to ballpark it.
I found the FlatPanelsHd 2 point color settings pretty accurate and until the panel has been used for another week or so I will use them.
Currently my settings while the panel burns in are as follows:
Every single processor set to "OFF" except for Tru Motion which I have set to "User" with "1" and "1" for judder/blur.
For problematic BD's or DVD's the "LOW" Noise Reduction setting is very helpful without introducing annoying artifacts.
***My settings are working for me, but may not for you.
Mode: Exp 1
Backlight: 50
Contrast: 78
Brightness: 53
Sharpness: 10 and 10
Color: 54
Tint: 0
Local Dimming: Medium
Energy Saver is OFF, Just Scan pixel mapping is ON
Gamma is 2.2 , Temp is WARM and for now I am using
the flatpanelshd.com quickie color settings of:
RGB Method 2 point
R high 0
G high -8
B high 9
R low -1
G low -3
B low 3
I have checked and rechecked using BD's ranging from Indiana Jones/Last Crusade, Star Trek II:Wrath of Khan , The Decendants , The Wizard of Oz and Maltese Falcon. Also, some Pal DVD , both color and B&W , some NTSC DVD of the same and assorted Xvids and MKVs. Colors looks correct. I am mostly fiddling with the brightness/contrast levels using increments of "1" notch at a time. I notice it takes the panel a few hours to settle in to any change in settings.
Unless this TV decides to star doing strange things, turning itself off, giving solid lines across the screen or sending up smoke signals. I am very pleased with the 9600. The initial price was a bit steep but for 2000 bucks I feel it is a very good buy and while it's not a Sharp Elite it is miles ahead of any LCD I have ever owned. I had a blast today watching "Casino Royale" and was really sucked into the film.
A final word: Whoever thought it was a good idea to trim this TV in chrome needs to find another job. Highly reflective and annoying with my room lights on. Otherwise a nice looking television.
Sorry this post is so lengthy but I am trying to cover everything I can think of so far.
Received my 9600 4 days ago from Amazon. Box was mint, contents were as well. I was initially worried because the build date was MAY 2012 but this turned out to be a non issue at least so far. Banding and DSE during multiple content of all resolutions is the most minimal of all my 2012 LG's. (6200 , G2 and 7600) It really is VERY minimal. I used a BD of "Frozen Planet" as the ultimate banding test and it is just barely visible even on solid white , panning left and right and only partially visible and not all the time. Best I can hope for with a LCD I think. Screen uniformity on mine is REALLY good and I am just not used to this with LCD/LED panels. Very nice. I expected much more banding, honestly.
Also, the perceived level of visible fine detail is a good 22 to 25% MORE than my 7600 which is a 47inch panel and SHOULD render even MORE perceived detail. Of course this can be both a good and bad thing, depending upon your source maternal. I can certainly see MORE of my Fios "HD Lite" compression rearing it's ugly head.
SO what, if anything is wrong with the thing so far? Well, when I first powered up, there was a MASSIVE amount of flashlighting emanating from the lower right hand quadrant of the panel. I about freaked! Adjusting the local dimming and doing a quickie Contrast/Brightness/Backlight calibration did little to solve things.
After letting the unit settle in and playing a wide variety of content of varying aspect ratios I soon noticed the corner problem was fading fast. At this point a 2.35:1 aspect ratio is giving me jet black bars on top and bottom with just 1 and 1/2 inches of SLIGHT light bleed in the lower most right hand corner. And that too is fading. I did a quickie calibration today after leaving the panel ON for basically 3 days and I am using MED local dimming with a 2.2 gamma. MY blacks are VERY black. I watch in a totally dark room with a bias light mounted directly on and behind the panel. I am very pleased with the black levels and except for that 1 and 1/2 inch little area of slight light bleed, the panel has an excellent black/white response. I do not see the local dimming pumping in any way and I do not see ANY halos. I popped in THE BD of Star Wars
and played credits, front and back to check.
I notice a small amount of intermittent judder on ANY type of program material, 60hz, 50hz (upconverted) and 24. My sources are a Motorola Fios HD DVR and Oppo BDP-95. By setting the Tru Motion to "user" and just nudging Blur and Judder to "1" that is enough to eliminate all visible judder and at the same time avoid the dreaded "Soap Opera Effect"......
While I would prefer NOT to use the Tru Motion at all, this is a good compromise for me and only takes a few minutes to adjust to the slight "hyper reality" this low setting seems to impart. It is very subtle and gives me totally smooth jerk free motion on ALL my content.
Posting settings is really a crap shoot as everyone uses different source components and has different ideas about what looks "good". For me, I am looking for an accurate greyscale (within reason) and something that has good dynamic range while trying to remain glare free. I suffer from eye strain normally so it is important for me not to clip the panel in any way. LG is very picky when it comes to finding their "sweet spot" and I have found that every out of the box setting they give you is pretty bad. I basically turn them on and ignore what I see at first, let the panel physically break in and then do a quick Speers and Munsil run through to ballpark it.
I found the FlatPanelsHd 2 point color settings pretty accurate and until the panel has been used for another week or so I will use them.
Currently my settings while the panel burns in are as follows:
Every single processor set to "OFF" except for Tru Motion which I have set to "User" with "1" and "1" for judder/blur.
For problematic BD's or DVD's the "LOW" Noise Reduction setting is very helpful without introducing annoying artifacts.
***My settings are working for me, but may not for you.
Mode: Exp 1
Backlight: 50
Contrast: 78
Brightness: 53
Sharpness: 10 and 10
Color: 54
Tint: 0
Local Dimming: Medium
Energy Saver is OFF, Just Scan pixel mapping is ON
Gamma is 2.2 , Temp is WARM and for now I am using
the flatpanelshd.com quickie color settings of:
RGB Method 2 point
R high 0
G high -8
B high 9
R low -1
G low -3
B low 3
I have checked and rechecked using BD's ranging from Indiana Jones/Last Crusade, Star Trek II:Wrath of Khan , The Decendants , The Wizard of Oz and Maltese Falcon. Also, some Pal DVD , both color and B&W , some NTSC DVD of the same and assorted Xvids and MKVs. Colors looks correct. I am mostly fiddling with the brightness/contrast levels using increments of "1" notch at a time. I notice it takes the panel a few hours to settle in to any change in settings.
Unless this TV decides to star doing strange things, turning itself off, giving solid lines across the screen or sending up smoke signals. I am very pleased with the 9600. The initial price was a bit steep but for 2000 bucks I feel it is a very good buy and while it's not a Sharp Elite it is miles ahead of any LCD I have ever owned. I had a blast today watching "Casino Royale" and was really sucked into the film.
A final word: Whoever thought it was a good idea to trim this TV in chrome needs to find another job. Highly reflective and annoying with my room lights on. Otherwise a nice looking television.
post #328 of 365
1/20/13 at 11:30pm
Quote:
there is no one magic setting for all viewing situations....usually you need different settings for environment conditions, ie room lighting etc. dark room or room with lights on....as well as different settings for content types, ie blu ray, tv, sports etc.Originally Posted by gelly
Questions regarding this or any other calibration. Is the above setting used for all applications? I find it looks fine for movies but, for sports vivid looks better? Am I missing something ?
Questions regarding this or any other calibration. Is the above setting used for all applications? I find it looks fine for movies but, for sports vivid looks better? Am I missing something ?
best thing to do is use your eyes and adjust to your personal preferences and program different modes for different settings/conditions......online guidelines are a good place to start for settings to get a good base to start from and then as you sense something needs changing start to adjust from there.
post #329 of 365
1/21/13 at 9:49am
I use 4 different presets depending on the type of material viewed. My HD DVR pumps out a signal with much higher brightness/contrast levels than my Oppo does for Blu Ray. NTSC DVD and PAL DVD are not the same and each require a separate tweak.. I make use of the 3 custom PQ memory slots on my Oppo as well as all the available LG preset slots which can be customized for any type of signal or content. Viewing certain Black and White content requires a slightly different color temp to look correct to me. Using a combination of Expert 1 and 2 PLUS Standard and Movie preset slots I am able to create all the presets I need to get the most out of each type of program material. One size does NOT fit all and trying to get just one setting to work for all types of material with result in disappointment and less than ideal video performance.
Basically, you can make it as simple or as complex as you want or need to extract the best posible PQ out of any HDTV. The current 2012 LG lineup gives you plenty of tools and preset slots to do just that. It is just a matter of experimenting, patience and willingness to keep at it until you are fully satisfied with the results. And even then, SOME compromises have to be made. If every source calibrated their masters in the same way, then one setting would work. Sadly this is not and probably will never be the case. GOOD LUCK! Cheers Marty G
Basically, you can make it as simple or as complex as you want or need to extract the best posible PQ out of any HDTV. The current 2012 LG lineup gives you plenty of tools and preset slots to do just that. It is just a matter of experimenting, patience and willingness to keep at it until you are fully satisfied with the results. And even then, SOME compromises have to be made. If every source calibrated their masters in the same way, then one setting would work. Sadly this is not and probably will never be the case. GOOD LUCK! Cheers Marty G
post #330 of 365
1/21/13 at 1:29pm
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