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Originally Posted by dvdmike007 View Post

Mgm when left well alone can be excellent with cat titles but with Cameron and Lowry Involved.......? M

From the screencaps I've seen at cinemasquid and elsewhere, I really don't have a problem with how Aliens looks. The only thing that bothers me about that release is how Cameron couldn't restrain himself from digitally erasing stuff. He couldn't even keep that kinda thing confined to the longer version. So, not only should the '91 version be called the 2010 version of the 1991 version, but the '86 version is the 2010 version of the 1986 version as well. Ugh....

I don't know The Terminator well enough to guess what kind of visible flaws Cameron will inevitably fix for the new transfer. I know T2 significantly better, but then again I can't think of anything that needs fixing in that particular film aside from maybe Arnold's stunt double's face being somewhat obvious in that slow-motion bike shot.*

Speaking of which, I heard Cameron digitally replaced Kate Winslet's stunt double's face in that slow-motion shot in Titanic for the re-release. Any truth to this???

*It's funny because they had the technology by 1991 to digitally remove the wires holding the bike, but not to digitally replace the stunt double's face.
post #32 of 640
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Originally Posted by Fang Zei View Post

I don't know The Terminator well enough to guess what kind of visible flaws Cameron will inevitably fix for the new transfer. I know T2 significantly better, but then again I can't think of anything that needs fixing in that particular film aside from maybe Arnold's stunt double's face being somewhat obvious in that slow-motion bike shot.*

Terminator has flaws aplenty it's part of it's charm, I spotted several right away when I first saw it in theater.
post #33 of 640
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Originally Posted by Fang Zei View Post

From the screencaps I've seen at cinemasquid and elsewhere, I really don't have a problem with how Aliens looks. The only thing that bothers me about that release is how Cameron couldn't restrain himself from digitally erasing stuff. He couldn't even keep that kinda thing confined to the longer version. So, not only should the '91 version be called the 2010 version of the 1991 version, but the '86 version is the 2010 version of the 1986 version as well. Ugh....
I don't know The Terminator well enough to guess what kind of visible flaws Cameron will inevitably fix for the new transfer. I know T2 significantly better, but then again I can't think of anything that needs fixing in that particular film aside from maybe Arnold's stunt double's face being somewhat obvious in that slow-motion bike shot.*
Speaking of which, I heard Cameron digitally replaced Kate Winslet's stunt double's face in that slow-motion shot in Titanic for the re-release. Any truth to this???
*It's funny because they had the technology by 1991 to digitally remove the wires holding the bike, but not to digitally replace the stunt double's face.

91? for t2? they had masks made for the double and the wires were erased in the photoshop beta
post #34 of 640
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91? for t2? they had masks made for the double and the wires were erased in the photoshop beta

That's why I specifically said "they had the technology."

I'd forgotten about the masks part, though.
post #35 of 640
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Originally Posted by Geoff D View Post

Heh. Aside from Aliens and the already-tealed Titanic we've seen squat on the new transfer front re: Terminator, T2, Abyss and True Lies. I don't doubt that they'll be tealed-up to the nines, though. biggrin.gif
Devil's advocate time: Terminator carries the mono track but has been tealified. Sale or no sale? Me, I'd buy it in a heartbeat.


Same here. Actually, I don't care if they don't have mono, I just want the original sound effects back, particularly that cannon the inltrating Terminator uses during the massacre in the rebel hideout
post #36 of 640
If they do a remix using the original sound stems, I will not object. But no way do they spend the money. Guaranteed. They will just use the crappy new mix.
post #37 of 640
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Originally Posted by Fang Zei View Post

Speaking of which, I heard Cameron digitally replaced Kate Winslet's stunt double's face in that slow-motion shot in Titanic for the re-release. Any truth to this???

The stunt double's face was replaced with Kate's. But it was done for the initial release, not the re-release. It has always been there. I remember seeing a story on tv about it and made sure to look for it. It's pretty obvious if you know where to look for it. If you don't know about it, you would likely have missed it.

Are you suggesting that he re-did it to make it look better for the re-release?
post #38 of 640
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The stunt double's face was replaced with Kate's. But it was done for the initial release, not the re-release. It has always been there. I remember seeing a story on tv about it and made sure to look for it. It's pretty obvious if you know where to look for it. If you don't know about it, you would likely have missed it.
Are you suggesting that he re-did it to make it look better for the re-release?

Wow, now I'm honestly not sure which way is up!

Are you saying they used makeup on the stunt double or do you mean they replaced her face digitally??? Honestly, it must've been the comment in the imdb goofs page about how "it's obviously not them" that made me think they had simply filmed the double and hoped no one would notice. Either way, Rose's face has never looked quite right to me in that shot.
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post #40 of 640
I don't know if they did it digitally or optically, but the faces always looked weird. They look flat.
post #41 of 640
It's an early-ish example of digital face replacement, which wouldn't look nearly as goofy if it was running full speed. But in slow motion they were never gonna get away with it. Gotta give 'em kudos for trying, though.

Given how superb the Zhora face replacement was in Blade Runner Final Cut - i.e. the tech has gotten very good - it's a shame that Cameron didn't redo that shot in Titanic. But if he did that, then he knew he'd be opening a Pandora's box re: updating the effects. Still, I'm glad they erased the wire that pulls the glass off of the mantelpiece as Thomas Andrews faces his demise.

(Incidentally, the best face replacement I've ever seen is one of the first: Ariana Richards in Jurassic Park, when she falls through the air con duct and flashes a quick look of surprise up to camera. Perfect.)
post #42 of 640
I was just thinking of that shot from Jurassic Park too. I remember Entertainment Tonight running a brief segment on that shot from way back in the day, pre-release. The stunt double was supposed to keep her head down, but she looked up and the segment on ET detailed just how it was they fixed the shot. The results were seamless. Also, I highly doubt Spielberg would actually call attention to that shot *before* the release of the film, no less, if he wasn't totally satisfied with the outcome.
post #43 of 640
The real technical issue with that Titanic shot is that the lighting changes significantly throughout their sprint, making it very difficult to match the lighting perfectly. Even to this day, that shot would be very tricky, but not impossible to do. The Jurassic Park shot was probably way easier to achieve considering that the lighting on the face never really changes.
post #44 of 640
Well, yeah. The beauty of the JP one is the 'blink and you'll miss it' nature of the shot. As I said, major kudos to the Titanic team for even attempting that sequence back then. But given how tricksy the Blade Runner one was, with a similar slo-mo aspect, flickering lighting and a rolling, tumbling subject, it makes me think that the Titanic one would be eminently achievable today. And we're 5 years further on from the BR shot, in terms of the tech.
post #45 of 640
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Originally Posted by dvdmike007 View Post

Lowry list it as completed and the extras are 100% finished I think it was the disc authoring and marketing that got in the way
SHOOT!
W/a steelbook like that, who needs marketing?!?!
I gotta have it!! tongue.gif
Thanks for the heads up.
post #46 of 640
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Originally Posted by dvdmike007 View Post

Missing is the already recorded commentary track. The Uk version of the film is now a 15 rating, so the new extras look to be what has bumped it back up to 18.

My guess is the rating is just a placeholder -- the BBFC website (which has ratings up through June 22nd) doesn't list any recent Terminator-related decisions. The existing deleted scenes only have a 15 and getting an 18 for making-of/commentary stuff would basically require the participants to throw around the "C"-word, which seems awfully unlikely. I suppose they could have some new deleted scenes, but I think it's more likely the extras haven't been classified yet and they just slapped an 18 on there to cover all eventualities (it's obviously not going to be higher than an 18), or because someone thought it was still an 18 film.
post #47 of 640
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My guess is the rating is just a placeholder -- the BBFC website (which has ratings up through June 22nd) doesn't list any recent Terminator-related decisions. The existing deleted scenes only have a 15 and getting an 18 for making-of/commentary stuff would basically require the participants to throw around the "C"-word, which seems awfully unlikely. I suppose they could have some new deleted scenes, but I think it's more likely the extras haven't been classified yet and they just slapped an 18 on there to cover all eventualities (it's obviously not going to be higher than an 18), or because someone thought it was still an 18 film.

Not true, the film is border line 15 and a few F's would be all it takes
post #48 of 640
The Terminator and T2, except for the few extra swear words and a little bit of the sex scene in the first film, would be given PG-13 ratings today. I've seen more violent and gory PG-13 films than these!

The only thing I don't like about the Gary Rydstrom remix of the original film is Arnold's gun sound effect when he shoots the first Sarah Connor and Sarah's roommate. If they just fixed that one item! All they need is a recording of that model of gun and silencer used and then punch it up a bit.

Other than that, it is a pretty decent re-working of a tinny, low budget, mono track. And Brad Feidel's score is in stereo.

He tied the first film with the second using T2's laser canon sound effects during the future war scenes.
Edited by Dan Hitchman - 6/25/12 at 4:20pm
post #49 of 640
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The Terminator and T2, except for the few extra swear words and a little bit of the sex scene in the first film, would be given PG-13 ratings today. I've seen more violent and gory PG-13 films than these!
The only thing I don't like about the Gary Rydstrom remix of the original film is Arnold's gun sound effect when he shoots the first Sarah Connor and Sarah's roommate. If they just fixed that one item! All they need is a recording of that model of gun and silencer used and then punch it up a bit.
Other than that, it is a pretty decent re-working of a tinny, low budget, mono track. And Brad Feidel's score is in stereo.
He tied the first film with the second using T2's laser canon sound effects during the future war scenes.

Did you forget about the gut punch, the eye cutting scene the Ginger and Matt scene???

Rydstrom needs his mixes for the first AND second removed, original cinema versions only please Fox would do it!
post #50 of 640
Rydstrom's mix for The Terminator would be very nice if the gunshots were not so "different sounding" from what we are used to. Each time I re-watch the film I am surprised anew at the high pitched gun sounds- as history has me expecting the sound from the VHS.
post #51 of 640
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Originally Posted by Fanboyz View Post

Rydstrom's mix for The Terminator would be very nice if the gunshots were not so "different sounding" from what we are used to. Each time I re-watch the film I am surprised anew at the high pitched gun sounds- as history has me expecting the sound from the VHS.

Check out the non silenced but silenced beretta in a small corridor in T2! its just stupid:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDVVAuz1v7U&feature=player_detailpage#t=131s


Also The Terminator:

New
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=jo2-H4bAtKE#t=147s


Old
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=pVJph6ZQClQ#t=72s
Edited by dvdmike007 - 6/25/12 at 5:16pm
post #52 of 640
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Originally Posted by dvdmike007 View Post

Check out the non silenced but silenced beretta in a small corridor in T2! its just stupid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDVVAuz1v7U&feature=player_detailpage#t=131s
Also


Yeah. but that scene in T2 always sounded like that, meaning it isn't a change.
post #53 of 640
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Yeah. but that scene in T2 always sounded like that, meaning it isn't a change.

Nope, I saw it opening week in 70mm blow up and what was billed as CDS and they were closer to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eajuMYNYtuY&feature=player_detailpage#t=96s

Plus I was in the process of capturing all the released laserdiscs worldwide before my pc died, and there are 100% differences.
post #54 of 640
My first exposure was the Live Entertainment VHS release (with Arnold doing an intro on keeping kids fit and healthy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAz5_-PsUBk) and the T1000's gun sound always was "pew pew pew".
post #55 of 640
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Originally Posted by dvdmike007 View Post

Not true, the film is border line 15 and a few F's would be all it takes

A few Fs don't bring an 18 rating. This is even written into the current guidelines -- "frequent usage of strong language" (the f-word is given as an example) is OK at the 15 level, just not "aggressive or repeated use of the strongest language" (the c-word is the example there). The Town and 21 Jump Street have in the range of 150 f-bombs each and are both 15s.
post #56 of 640
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Originally Posted by Dan Average View Post

A few Fs don't bring an 18 rating. This is even written into the current guidelines -- "frequent usage of strong language" (the f-word is given as an example) is OK at the 15 level, just not "aggressive or repeated use of the strongest language" (the c-word is the example there). The Town and 21 Jump Street have in the range of 150 f-bombs each and are both 15s.

I am saying the F's COMBINED with the violence......
post #57 of 640
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Originally Posted by NagysAudio View Post

Would anyone be so kind as to list the different releases of Terminator 2 (only laserdisc I'm guessing?) which had the original CDS sound track? Thanks!

CDS was a theatrical sound format only. It was never a home audio format. Laserdisc editions of T2 were encoded with Dolby Surround or (in later remasters) Dolby Digital 5.1.
post #58 of 640
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Originally Posted by dvdmike007 View Post

I am saying the F's COMBINED with the violence......

They're extras. Somebody shouting "f you, you motherfing fers" while gunning folks down with a shotgun might put something into 18 territory, if the violence alone wasn't enough to do it. The filmmakers commenting "this fing shot was a nightmare" over a muted version of the same footage lacks the juxtaposition of violent action and violent language, and given the BBFC's obsession with context, I doubt they would treat it the same way. In any event the BBFC website still has nothing for this release, despite being current all the way up to today (Nazi Zombie Death Tales can't possibly be as good as the title).
post #59 of 640
Means nothing, there have been instances of BBFC updates appearing after the disc hit shelves.

That said, I'm agreeing with you and saying place-holder.
post #60 of 640
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Originally Posted by Dan Hitchman View Post

The Terminator and T2, except for the few extra swear words and a little bit of the sex scene in the first film, would be given PG-13 ratings today. I've seen more violent and gory PG-13 films than these!
The only thing I don't like about the Gary Rydstrom remix of the original film is Arnold's gun sound effect when he shoots the first Sarah Connor and Sarah's roommate. If they just fixed that one item! All they need is a recording of that model of gun and silencer used and then punch it up a bit.
Other than that, it is a pretty decent re-working of a tinny, low budget, mono track. And Brad Feidel's score is in stereo.
He tied the first film with the second using T2's laser canon sound effects during the future war scenes.

First of all, you would need to take a chainsaw to T1 to get an R. It is littered with hard R scenery and language.

Secondly, the audio remix of T2 is missing pieces of music. It is insanely noticeable.
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