TX-NR3010 / 5010 Info - Page 11

Tough choice. I usually am a separates fan (that's what how my set up is) but I will say you will get a jump in sound Q from the 3008 I the 5010. I think more so then adding Emotiva amps with a 3008. Better detail/clarity. And yes, I have used those amps with Onkyo receivers before. I'd go 5010, then maybe down the road if needed add an amp. You could easily let the 5010 do your rears and backs. Then only use an amp for your fronts and center.
Just an idea.

So these 2-$3,000 AVRs STILL wont push digital inputs to a second/third zone...not without ridiculous limits, anyway?

NO toslink/coax, straight away. And then, according to the manual, HDMI is good to go, but NOT if that source is playing in Zone ONE (which of course is a very common reality)?!!

I'm of the opinion that 2-$3,000 AVR's in 2012 should offer decent multi-zone capability.

Denon and Yamaha seem to agree.

Apparently, Onkyo does not.

Disappointing, as I REALLY wanted to slide one of these into my rack.

Maybe next year...but I've been saying that for a half-decade now. Sigh.

Good luck with these units, folks, sincerely.

James
Edited by mastermaybe - 8/15/12 at 7:05am

Where does the increase in detail and clarity stem from, going from the 3008 to 5010?

James

I hear it going from the 3009 and 3010 (not to mention 1010, 818, 1009) going to the 5009 and 5010. I also think the VP section is more refined then the 3008's. I am sure there are a couple factors that make the "Flagships" better. An Emotiva Amp won't bring out the extra little detail heard from breaking glass and bullets firing. I have a Miller Lite commercial Punch Top Can and the difference is there.

I'll leave it alone after this but the idea that I cannot listen to my apple tv (music) on my deck if it's also on in the living room with either of these (2) kilo-buck AVR's is grossly irritating.


James

I agree with you and I passed it on to them.

I do not use my zone 2 and 3 more, I bought a Bose SoundLink, (if you prefer, you can buy a jawbone or other)
and so moves the world

Are you saying that you used an Emotiva amp with the 5009 and 5010 and it failed to produce the detail that these produced using their own amps?

No, he's saying that the 5xxx reproduce a greater level of detail and clarity than the 3xxx and adding Emotiva amps to the 3xxx will increase the headroom and maximum potential output, but won't produce the added clarity that stepping up to the 5xxx does.


Max

Sorry Max. My bad. I failed to read earlier posts.

Perfect.

OK, so if I'm going to upgrade to a 5XXX rather than get external amps, which is the one to go for? 5009 or 5010? As far as I can see, the NR5010 has the following changes/improvements versus the 5009:

• Digital Processing Crossover Network (to "cancel frequency interference when bi-wiring the front monitors" whatever that means...)
• Differential DAC Mode (no idea what this is..)
• Hybrid Standby (or this...)
• MP3tunes and Simfy support
• 1 extra HDMI input
• 1 fewer analog (presumably stereo RCA) inputs
• No 7.1 analog inputs
• 11.4 out vs 9.2
• No s-video inputs or outputs
• Quick Set-Up Menu
• DTS Neo:X
• MHL input

Otherwise, same size, same weight, same DACs, same power output.

Annoyingly, where I am (New Zealand) the TX-NR3009 has dropped to the equivalent of US$1600, but the NR5009 is still US$3200 and the NR5010 is US$3600! That's a chunk of change!

The biggest loss looks like the 7.1 outs (not that I'm using this feature on the 3008 as it is), but the 11.4 out is a nice plus. Everything else looks like filler to pad out the features list.

I also looked at the Onkyo combination of the PRSC5509 and the PAMC5501, but as far as I can tell the PAMC5501 has *identical* transformers, capacitors, module layout, and power output, noise, THD, damping factor etc. ratings as the NR5010, so seems a little pointless. The 5509 is basically a 5009 with no amp and the addition of XLR outputs, which as far as I can discern won't do me much good if the processor and amp are right next to one another, and 12 volt triggers.

Considering how few features they've added, I don't know why Onkyo doesn't use a two year production cycle. Back when I only bought Yamaha in the '90s, it was about four years between flagship amp releases (2070, 3090, A1 etc.), and Onkyo's flagship release cycle was even longer than that, which was enough time to accumulate some solid improvements that justified the substantial cost involved. Sigh.

Between the two I would probably opt for the 5010, just in case there have been some minor (unadvertised) improvements in the design. Too bad there isn't something revolutionary like XT32.

Actually both have DTS NEO X. And don't forget the 5009 has the cool top! It is a very tough choice to pick. Try picking between a 5009 and a 3010 when there is a 100 (about) price difference. Which would you take?

And not that I ever use it but Neural Surround appears to be dropped for the newer gen as well.
Edited by joerod - 8/16/12 at 5:09am

My 3010 is on its way! I will get it by end of day on Monday (which really does mean around 6pm).

Mind me asking about how much you paid for the 3010?? PM me

joerod, it looks like the decision was just made a lot easier for me! The NR5009 just dropped here (literally overnight) from US$3200 to US$2000. The NR5010's changes certainly don't justify an extra US$1600 in my opinion, so the 5009 is on its way!

Welcome to the Collector's Speciall Edition club.

When I get it setup and calibrated, I will do a comparison with the Pioneer 1120 I currently have and the memories of the Denon 3808 - which are mostly the things I miss about it.

Can't wait to read it.

You are in for a treat.I remember when I upgraded from a Pio 1120 to a Yamaha 2000 it was day and night. Now with a 3010 with Audyssey XT 32, Sub EQ and superb video processor the experience will be out of this world.

Enjoy!

My previous AVR was the Denon 3808 - which had the non XZT32 Audyssey - and I noticed its loss, as well as a loss of "fullness" and "oomph" to the sound. I have no idea why that is, and I did not expect it. I hope it returns with the 3010.

well Ive got 127 hours on my 3010 now and it hasnt missed a beat. Im watching War of the Worlds now at -5 volume...WOW! I have gone back and forth several times and have to say I like the DTS-HD-MA mode better than Audyssey DSX or Neo:Cinema. The latter 2 are a little more expansive yes but I feel like the sounds are better located using the original formats. I know we all are different but theres my perspective. My speaker setup NOW is 7.2.......Front, center, right., sides and rears. + 2 subs.

New owners hitting today!!!

I'm finishing off a renovation project at my home and running into the quandry of...do I get an Onkyo 3010, 6009, 5010 or a Denon 4311. I like Onkyo's a lot and have had them in the past. I would definitely make use of the 3 zones, one of the main reasons to get the 5010, but then I read about some quality of audio issues for Zone 2 & 3. I've got a pretty large family room using Klipsch 5.1 in wall speakers. And then I wonder how much better the 5010 is over the 5009. I like the 7/8 HDMI inputs, as I will use almost all.

Any recommendations on 5010 vs 5009 vs Denon? I'm pretty much leaning towards the 5010 for a number of reasons, but looking to the community for any burps or ideas....


Thanks

http://hstrial-jrodriguez996.homestead.com/ONKYO-TX-NR1010-3010-5010-Reviews-and-Comparison.html?_=1344975582259

Did you read this?

I'm curious as to why you would hear a difference in clarity between the 3009/3010 and the 5009/5010. What changes were made in the xx10 series to make a difference that would be audible?

Bill

 

I just read the last few pages of this thread since Fry's has the 5009 NIB for $1,499 (seeing if I could talk myself into it). Halfway through I wondered where the cult was... thanks for keeping up the good work. :)

Yes, I read through it pretty carefully, but apparetly not carefully enough. I just re-read the first paragraph and saw the 5009 is for 9.2 and the 5010 was for 11.2 (Hence 3 zones which I need), so that solves the 5009 vs 5010 debate for me. just not much info vs the Denon. Near as I can tell, the 5010 is what I'm going with.

One other question though, if you might know. If the receiver is able to learn remotes (i.e., via codes, etc), would the iPhone app allow for remote use of each of those learned remotes, obviating the need for an IR repeater for some of the devices?

Thanks for your guidance and the previous link. I read through it after having done my research and it was nice to see if complemented well.

OK, I received my 3010 today. First thing I did was hook it up and run Audyssey. BIG mistake. It just did not do it right. It would not send the proper sounds to my heights, which then made it belive I did not have ANY heights (though I heard the muffled sounds through them). It was a disaster. I decided to do a factory reset and then allow it to update the firmware before doing Audyssey. About an hour later the firmware update was done and I could start.

As for my setup, I am have an HTPC and a Wii, as well as a projector and a plasma TV. I am runnign a 9.1 system with front heights. It is also a rather peculiar setup. Front three mains are Paradigm Milleniums, 200s for the left and right and the Trio for the center. I am using the outer two speakers of the trio wired up to appear as one 4 ohm speaker.
All surrounds are Axiom On-walls. M0s for the heights, M2s for the rears and the side surrounds are an M3 and M2 wired to appear as one 4 ohm speaker (then repeated on the other side). This is because of the shape of my theater room, so I need to setup side speakers like they do in a real theater.

Audyssey ran in a different pattern with the new firmware - chose the next speaker differently. It easily found my front heights. I ran 6 locations and told it to calculate. I wish the cord was 3 feet longer, then it would be perfect. Audyssey setup was easy and fast. Compared to the Denon 3808 it was much faster during the calculations, but technology has marched on in the last 4 years. I find the GUI a little confusing. The Pioneer VSX-1120's GUI was easier to find things in. I found myself referring to the manual to do simple things like turn on Neo:Cinema and how to turn on the dual display output.

HDMI-CEC works, but I can only get it to work for the primary output. I like controlling the AVR with the video sink - so when I turn on and off my projector, the AVR turns on and off. I also have a plasma TV that I want to do the same thing, but right now it does not. I have to look at the controls for the plasma again to make sure I have it turned on properly there. UPDATE - Only the Primary HDMI Out is HDMI-CEC aware.

The video is cleaner on the Onkyo than the Pioneer. I did not really expect too see a difference, since I am using a HTPC for my video source, but I was pleasantly surprised. I was one of those who said "blah blah blah, better video, blah blah" but I was wrong, the video really is better.

Audio - now that is where this baby shines over the Pioneer. The clarity of sound is amazing and the surround sound is simply divine. Listening to the Book of Eli farmer house fight scene was a banquet for the ears. It really was a night and day difference over the Pioneer. The Pioneer is no slouch, but it is in a different category than the Onkyo. Using my slowly fading memories of teh Denon 3808's sound, I would say the Onkyo definately beats it in the surround category as well as the cleanliness of the sound. This is most likely due to the Audyssey XT32 in the Onkyo (the Denon had a base Audyssey which was amazing and the Pioneer has its own far less capable system). I waited to watch the Steeler's game until tonight and wow, it is like being in the stands! At one point I had to turn down the TV because the fans went wild! NEO:X is far superior to PLIIZ Heights IMO. NEO:X gave me a far larger sound stage than PLIIZ ever did. Quite possibly it is also Audyssey helping it out, though I really do not care if it is as I am happier now.

When I start a show, skip forward 30 seconds, etc., the sound starts out at a low volume and ramps up. This is independant of the "have to wait to resync" lack of sound that sometimes happens for a moment. UPDATE - This was caused by Audyssey's Dynamic Volume. I have no idea why it would act this way, when it did not on the Denon 3808.

I am quite pleased with the Onkyo. It is a huge jump over the Pioneer, and a very good improvement over the Denon. I do miss having a paper manual, the manual on the Onkyo only comes on DVD.

EDIT: Clarity of sound is one of the terms I was looking for. The Onkyo is a large jump in sound clarity over the Pioneer and even over what I remember of the Denon (though that has been awhile now).
Edited by cybrsage - 8/21/12 at 10:57am

I didn't. I ranked them higher by a point because of their 11 channel capability. I even pointed out that at 9 channels they are equal right below the ratings. The 3010 and 3009 sound the same. The 5009 and 5010 the same. There is a slight difference between levels though.
Edited by joerod - 8/21/12 at 2:58am