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post #61 of 1066
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Originally Posted by Bender907 View Post

So this unit does 4k Upscaling, but will it do 4K pass through and processing for when 4k actually arrives? I don't want to fork out lots of $$$ to have to upgrade in the next year or so when this feature becomes standard.

The link below indicates 4k pass-through is not supported.

http://www.eu.onkyo.com/en/features/4k-upscaling-76033.html
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Originally Posted by Bender907 View Post

My Panasonic dual hdmi output blu ray has just died for the second time so I am now stuck with compressed audio via optical from the ps3 to Onkyo 805 for 3d movies. Could upgrade to a current 3d compatible receiver but would rather wait for 4k compliance which cant be far off if 4k up scaling is here.

It's unlikely you would be able to tell the difference between the higher bitrate lossy DD/DTS audio on BDs vs. HD audio over HDMI so you don't really need to upgrade for this feature only.

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post #62 of 1066
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Originally Posted by Bender907 View Post

My Panasonic dual hdmi output blu ray has just died for the second time so I am now stuck with compressed audio via optical from the ps3 to Onkyo 805 for 3d movies. Could upgrade to a current 3d compatible receiver but would rather wait for 4k compliance which cant be far off if 4k up scaling is here.

Just buy a new cheap dual HDMI output BR player. I still don't get peoples fascination with 4k. From what I have read there will not be any 4k gear available for a number of years. When it will be available I would guess the players will have dual outputs so you can go direct to your TV. Just like you can now with 3D BR players with dual HDMI outputs.

Bill
post #63 of 1066
I can hear the difference between lossy so I prefer uncompressed audio.

Except for Panasonic new pricey bluray which brings back dual hdmi no one manufactures these anymore frown.gif

besides sony 4k projector the 4K red laser projector expected to release by years end with 4k built in player. First range of 4K TV's expected by years end also.

Hearing rumours of Amazing Spiderman being first 4k Bluray too.

We shall see. But i don't intend on wasting big bucks to have to upgrade this time next year.

Also holding out for auro 3D receiver with 9.1 sound smile.gif The first Bluray with it has already been announced
post #64 of 1066
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Originally Posted by bucket23 View Post

I just asked Chris and he confirmed that the 3010 & 1010 do not have Sub EQ HT as previously stated. https://audyssey.zendesk.com/entries/20953442

I just noticed that Sub EQ is not listed on the data sheets for the 5010 either.  Either they are not including it all or they just aren't including that info on the limited public information forms.

 

At least it leaves some hope that when the full specs are released the 3010 will have it.

post #65 of 1066
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Originally Posted by Bender907 View Post

I can hear the difference between lossy so I prefer uncompressed audio.
Except for Panasonic new pricey bluray which brings back dual hdmi no one manufactures these anymore frown.gif
besides sony 4k projector the 4K red laser projector expected to release by years end with 4k built in player. First range of 4K TV's expected by years end also.
Hearing rumours of Amazing Spiderman being first 4k Bluray too.
We shall see. But i don't intend on wasting big bucks to have to upgrade this time next year.
Also holding out for auro 3D receiver with 9.1 sound smile.gif The first Bluray with it has already been announced

 

I really don't expect much in 4K pj/displays/players within the next year but it seems that by next 2-3 years there may be affordable choices and the early glitiches have been sorted out.

post #66 of 1066
G'day Jlanzy, I wouldn't put too much hope into the marketing material being right or wrong. The integra 50.4 has SubEQ HT listed as one it's features on the integra website, however audysee have confirmed it doesn't (do a search on their website and SubEQ HT isn't listed as a feature on the details for the 50.4) and the manual of the 50.4 states that the two subwoffer connections on the back is just a Y connection.
Audysee, who provide the actual Audsysee technologies, has confirmed that the 3010 doesn't have SubEQ HT.
post #67 of 1066
after looking at the back panels of the 1010,3010 and 5010 I believe that they all will have SubEQ HT despite what Chris has said. The reason I say this is the way Onkyo has laid out the sub outputs on the 818 vs the 1010 and above. I guess we won't know for sure till the manuals come out but almost 100% sure the 1010.3010 and 5010 will have SubEQ HT. In regards to the Integra site stating the 50.4 having SubEQ HT, I really wish that manufactures edit websites to ensure they have proper information, it's quite obvious by reading the manual of the 50.4 that it doesn't have SubEQ HT, plus it's back panel is similar to the 818 where it has two sub outputs but are not labeled SW1 and SW2.

Just my .02
post #68 of 1066
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Originally Posted by nismo604 View Post

after looking at the back panels of the 1010,3010 and 5010 I believe that they all will have SubEQ HT despite what Chris has said. The reason I say this is the way Onkyo has laid out the sub outputs on the 818 vs the 1010 and above. I guess we won't know for sure till the manuals come out but almost 100% sure the 1010.3010 and 5010 will have SubEQ HT. In regards to the Integra site stating the 50.4 having SubEQ HT, I really wish that manufactures edit websites to ensure they have proper information, it's quite obvious by reading the manual of the 50.4 that it doesn't have SubEQ HT, plus it's back panel is similar to the 818 where it has two sub outputs but are not labeled SW1 and SW2.
Just my .02

That is wishful thinking. I would hope Chris would have access to all the models containing features like SubEQ. I would love it if he was wrong but the chances of Audyssey being wrong are..... eek.gif
post #69 of 1066
Chris just confirmed again on the Audysse thread as mentioned before.
post #70 of 1066
wishful thinking i know but I'd also like to think an educated guess. Like I said we won't know for sure till we see the manual released. My money is still on that at very least the 3010 will have SubEQ HT, 4 sub outs using the same signal seems a bit much.
post #71 of 1066

Sub EQ.... TO BE or NOT TO BE... tic toc tic toc...

post #72 of 1066
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Originally Posted by bucket23 View Post

Chris just confirmed again on the Audysse thread as mentioned before.

Damn! biggrin.gifsmile.gif
post #73 of 1066
Just because a particular AVR has two or more separate subwoofer outputs, doesn't mean it has SubEQ HT. The AVR manufacturer has to pay Audysse to use that feature. If they don't pay Audysse they don't get the feature.
post #74 of 1066
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Originally Posted by Bender907 View Post

besides sony 4k projector the 4K red laser projector expected to release by years end with 4k built in player. First range of 4K TV's expected by years end also.

New things like this alway show up on computers first. I expect 4K tvs will be available 1-2 years after 4k computer monitors are out. 4k computer monitors aren't readily available yet. I doubt 4k tv's will be available at best buy until 2015 at the earliest. Even then, there won't be much content available. I doubt most will even consider a 4k tv until 5 years from now. By then, anything you buy now to support it will be obsolete.
post #75 of 1066
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Originally Posted by bucket23 View Post

Just because a particular AVR has two or more separate subwoofer outputs, doesn't mean it has SubEQ HT. The AVR manufacturer has to pay Audysse to use that feature. If they don't pay Audysse they don't get the feature.

So Onkyo raised the msrp a 100.00 and still dropped SubEQ! eek.gif
post #76 of 1066
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Just because a particular AVR has two or more separate subwoofer outputs, doesn't mean it has SubEQ HT. The AVR manufacturer has to pay Audysse to use that feature. If they don't pay Audysse they don't get the feature.

Actually it's up to the manufacturer to implement the Audyssey features it wants. Licensing from Audyssey will cost the same for XT32 with or without SubEQ HT. If you read Chris's statement on the 818 not including SubEQ HT that it was design choice by Onkyo not to use it. Like I've said before I believe that from the 1010 and up all will have SubEQ HT based on how the sub outs have been labelled. If not I'll be very surprised and be prepared to eat some humble pie.
post #77 of 1066
SubEQ HT is a different technology to XT32. You can have SUBEQ HT and not have XT32, infact you can have SubEQ HT with 2EQ if you wanted to. Chris didn't say that the design choice they made saved them any money, only that it Onkyo's decision. I couldn't find the line where Chris said SubEQ HT comes free wtih XT32 either.
post #78 of 1066
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Originally Posted by bucket23 View Post

SubEQ HT is a different technology to XT32. You can have SUBEQ HT and not have XT32, infact you can have SubEQ HT with 2EQ if you wanted to. Chris didn't say that the design choice they made saved them any money, only that it Onkyo's decision. I couldn't find the line where Chris said SubEQ HT comes free wtih XT32 either.

But do you seriously think Denon, Marantz or Onkyo will put SubEQ in a $500 AVR with 2EQ wink.gif?

Bill
post #79 of 1066
Definetely not, I just thought Nismo64 might be under the impression that SubEQ Ht was part of XT32 or that there was some sort of bundle for both of them.
post #80 of 1066

I wonder if Onkyo is going to wait until July 31st to release these...that's long time to keep gnashing our teeth over the SubEQ.

post #81 of 1066
If I only have one sub, is subeq even needed?
post #82 of 1066
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Originally Posted by cybrsage View Post

If I only have one sub, is subeq even needed?

Not at all. Of course it is nice to have in case you ever add another sub or two. smile.gif
post #83 of 1066
Isn't SubEQ basically the same tech as SVS' AQ1 sub equaliser?

I thought it had better filter resolution as well, and not just the ability to do dual sub?
post #84 of 1066
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

Not at all. Of course it is nice to have in case you ever add another sub or two. smile.gif

Oh good. Eventually I will have two subs - but by then I will probably also have a new receiver.
post #85 of 1066
Okay folks some good news to prospective buyers of the 3010, I can confirm what I have long suspected, the 3010 will definitely feature SubEQ HT. I was able to download a user manual via Onkyo's Hong Kong website. http://www.hk.onkyo.com/en/support/download?type=UserManual&id=1dab5685-7495-4c90-93b0-79e4549ab2a9&file=TX-NR5010_3010_English.pdf The 3010 and 5010 share the same user manual, always a good sign. If you look on page 17 you will read

"To find the best position for your subwoofer, while playing
a movie or some music with good bass, experiment by
placing your subwoofer at various positions within the
room, and choose the one that provides the most satisfying
results.
You can connect the powered subwoofers with SW1 PRE
OUT and SW2 PRE OUT respectively.
The level and distance can be set individually for each
output.
If you’re using only one subwoofer, connect it to
SW1 PRE OUT."

I have no info on the 1010 as it looks like Hong Kong does not get the 1010, but like I said before due to Onkyo labeling the subouts on the back as SW1 and SW2 it is highly likely that it will also feature SubEQ HT.
Edited by nismo604 - 7/15/12 at 11:18pm
post #86 of 1066
While I really want the 1010 to have SubEQ HT, Audysse have already said no it doesn't. No where in the manual does it state that the 1010 or 3010 have SubEQ HT (let me know if it is there). Having said all that, it doesn't matter what the Onkyo have said or not said. If Audysse, who authorise the avr make to use the product state that Onkyo do not have the feature I would be more inclined to listen to Audyssee. After all on the Integra website, they had SubEQ HT on the feature list for 50.4 only later for them to then remove this feature as the 50.4 does not have SubEQ HT.

Also, just because the individual AVR has independant subwoofer level controls, doesn't mean they have paid for the SubEQ HT feature. Maybe Onkyo didn't think the Subeq HT feature was worth it if they could implement their own sub leveling.

I really hope the 1010 has it otherwise I'll have to buy an DHC80.4 or 5510 (onkyo) when they come out.
post #87 of 1066
The digital processing crossover looks interesting and compelling for those with the relavent speakers. It is also a very rare feature, even in high end processors.
post #88 of 1066
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Originally Posted by bucket23 View Post

While I really want the 1010 to have SubEQ HT, Audysse have already said no it doesn't. No where in the manual does it state that the 1010 or 3010 have SubEQ HT (let me know if it is there). Having said all that, it doesn't matter what the Onkyo have said or not said. If Audysse, who authorise the avr make to use the product state that Onkyo do not have the feature I would be more inclined to listen to Audyssee. After all on the Integra website, they had SubEQ HT on the feature list for 50.4 only later for them to then remove this feature as the 50.4 does not have SubEQ HT.
Also, just because the individual AVR has independant subwoofer level controls, doesn't mean they have paid for the SubEQ HT feature. Maybe Onkyo didn't think the Subeq HT feature was worth it if they could implement their own sub leveling.
I really hope the 1010 has it otherwise I'll have to buy an DHC80.4 or 5510 (onkyo) when they come out.

 The proof of the pudding is in the tasting, so any clues on when we can taste besides before August 1st?

post #89 of 1066
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Originally Posted by bucket23 View Post

While I really want the 1010 to have SubEQ HT, Audysse have already said no it doesn't. No where in the manual does it state that the 1010 or 3010 have SubEQ HT (let me know if it is there). Having said all that, it doesn't matter what the Onkyo have said or not said. If Audysse, who authorise the avr make to use the product state that Onkyo do not have the feature I would be more inclined to listen to Audyssee. After all on the Integra website, they had SubEQ HT on the feature list for 50.4 only later for them to then remove this feature as the 50.4 does not have SubEQ HT.
Also, just because the individual AVR has independant subwoofer level controls, doesn't mean they have paid for the SubEQ HT feature. Maybe Onkyo didn't think the Subeq HT feature was worth it if they could implement their own sub leveling.
I really hope the 1010 has it otherwise I'll have to buy an DHC80.4 or 5510 (onkyo) when they come out.
Do you even know what SubEQ HT is? If you read the excerpt that I posted from the manual that should tell you that the 3010 has SubEQ HT. To use your argument that no where in the manual it says that it has SubEQ HT, you have to remember that this the manual for the 5010 as well, so by your logic the 5010 doesn't have it either. My 3009 which definitely has SubEQ HT manual is similarly written. If you read the manual it says both outputs level and distance can be set individually, as per Audyssey's website this is their definition as to what SubEQ is all about "Audyssey Sub EQ HT ensures that the level and delay for each subwoofer is correct before integrating them into the equalization solution." http://www.audyssey.com/audio-technology/sub-eq-ht
Edited by nismo604 - 7/16/12 at 9:49am
post #90 of 1066
You have a 3010 already?
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