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post #601 of 909
9/15/12 at 4:02pm
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Joe,
I checked O Remote, it looked great, had very good reviews, andI was all set to download it to my iPad2 for use with the 5010 in place of the woefully cheap and inadequate supplied remote. However, I discovered the fact that you must have the AVR networked to use it, and my router is three floors and about 85 feet away from the 5010's location. This is really unfortunate since I just can't stand the standard remote. I hadn't tealized how much this AVR's not having Air Play would complicate things.
I also really don't feel like dropping $250-300.00 on something like a Harmony 1100 remote just to be able to effectively use the receiver. I'm extremely happy with the sound quality, the amplification, the features, the Audyssey/XT32 of the 5010 and especially the 11 channel sound performance. It's just disappointing to run into an issue like this. Especially as I've not currently come up with any solution to resolve it.
John

You can just get the WiFi adapter. If you want a wired Ethernet connection and have a cable TV/satellite/FiOS line ran to where your HT setup is located, you can get two MoCA routers and attach the receiver to your network this way. You can get two Verizon FiOS MI424WR MoCA routers on eBay for less than $100.00. What you would do is attach one router to your modem with an Ethernet wire, and also connect a cable TV line to it. The other router goes attached to the receiver via an Ethernet wire and it gets connected to your other router via the cable TV line.

I have the FiOS service with the 150Mbps/35Mbps plan and I get about 95Mbps down in the computers that are not connected to the main router. I have 4 MoCA routers and a regular router on my network. My FiOS TV and phone services are unaffected by the MoCA routers.
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9/15/12 at 9:06pm
There is a wi-fi adaptor for the 5010?


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post #603 of 909
9/15/12 at 9:39pm
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There is a wi-fi adaptor for the 5010?
John

Yes, the UWF-1 is the WiFi adapter for it. It works with the 2011 and the 2012 models. The MSRP for this accessory is $29.00.
Edited by TazExprez - 9/15/12 at 9:47pm
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post #604 of 909
9/15/12 at 10:03pm
I read a serious number of negative reviews of the UWF-1 on Amazon, mostly sating it had very poor range, ro did not work at all. I also saw this informative commentary:

TSAdmiral:

"CUTTING TO THE CHASE

As far as my experiences are concerned, I've found this thing's reception is quite poor. This is true, regardless of router used. Playback would often skip, severely disrupting the listening experience. My experiences are below.

THE ONKYO UWF-1: EXPERIENCES AND TROUBLESHOOTING

The router I used at first was a Linksys 160N, which is quite dated and by far not the best performer.The signal was quite weak, averaging 40% and sometimes dropping to 30% despite being only one room away. Figuring that my router was the problem, I purchased the Netgear WNDR3800. It may not be the absolute most powerful router, but it's quite respectable according to most reviews. My signal jumped to an average of 60%, occasionally dropping below that. Skipping was somewhat less frequent, but the problem was CERTAINLY not resolved.

You will note that the manual and other reviewers suggest using an uncrowded WiFi channel for optimal performance. This claim may be true, but it's true for virtually all other WiFi devices as well. My Netgear WNDR3800 has a feature they call "Clear Channel Selector," which automatically switches to less busy 2.4 GHz channels on the fly as needed. I also live in my own house and the WiFi around my area isn't particularly crowded. Therefore, the claim that one should simply switch to a less busy channel does NOT explain this thing's poor performance.

THE TP-LINK TL-WN722N: UNOFFICIAL, BUT FAR SUPERIOR ALTERNATIVE

Having read Icefenix's review, I purchased the TP-Link TL-WN722N. It uses the same chipset as the UWF-1 (Atheros AR9271) and is indeed compatible with the Onkyo TX-NR609 and, I assume, any other receiver that recommends usage of a wireless adapter using said chipset. The TP-Link adapter features a detachable antenna and comes with a USB cord. When using it, my signal is boosted up around 95%, occasionally hitting 100%. Suffice to say it was an incredible jump compared to the Onkyo. That said, upgrading my router also boosted my signal with the UWF-1, so it's not entirely due to the adapter. When using the TP-Link adapter, playback skipping drops dramatically and streaming music becomes the (mostly) pleasant experience it ought to be.

That's not to say skipping is nonexistent. I still get it every so often, but far, far more rarely. I'm not certain why this is the case, considering the strong (reported) signal strength. Here is something worth keeping in mind: when using the detachable antenna, I noticed the signal strength was somewhat more volatile than when it wasn't used; ironically, having the antenna seemed to slightly reduce skipping when it does happen. In other words, it seems that using the antenna results in greater signal strength variation that possibly averages lower than without, but less actual skipping occurs. That is what I subjectively noticed, but I cannot explain why. Perhaps the antenna does improve reception but throws the receiver's reading off?


THE BOTTOM LINE

Icefenix is right in recommending the TP-Link TL-WN722N. Absolutely use that instead of the Onkyo UWF-1."



http://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-TL-WN722N-150Mbps-Wireless-Adapter/dp/B002WBX9C6
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post #605 of 909
9/15/12 at 10:17pm
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Originally Posted by John Clark View Post

I read a serious number of negative reviews of the UWF-1 on Amazon, mostly sating it had very poor range, ro did not work at all. I also saw this informative commentary:
TSAdmiral:
"CUTTING TO THE CHASE
As far as my experiences are concerned, I've found this thing's reception is quite poor. This is true, regardless of router used. Playback would often skip, severely disrupting the listening experience. My experiences are below.
THE ONKYO UWF-1: EXPERIENCES AND TROUBLESHOOTING
The router I used at first was a Linksys 160N, which is quite dated and by far not the best performer.The signal was quite weak, averaging 40% and sometimes dropping to 30% despite being only one room away. Figuring that my router was the problem, I purchased the Netgear WNDR3800. It may not be the absolute most powerful router, but it's quite respectable according to most reviews. My signal jumped to an average of 60%, occasionally dropping below that. Skipping was somewhat less frequent, but the problem was CERTAINLY not resolved.
You will note that the manual and other reviewers suggest using an uncrowded WiFi channel for optimal performance. This claim may be true, but it's true for virtually all other WiFi devices as well. My Netgear WNDR3800 has a feature they call "Clear Channel Selector," which automatically switches to less busy 2.4 GHz channels on the fly as needed. I also live in my own house and the WiFi around my area isn't particularly crowded. Therefore, the claim that one should simply switch to a less busy channel does NOT explain this thing's poor performance.
THE TP-LINK TL-WN722N: UNOFFICIAL, BUT FAR SUPERIOR ALTERNATIVE
Having read Icefenix's review, I purchased the TP-Link TL-WN722N. It uses the same chipset as the UWF-1 (Atheros AR9271) and is indeed compatible with the Onkyo TX-NR609 and, I assume, any other receiver that recommends usage of a wireless adapter using said chipset. The TP-Link adapter features a detachable antenna and comes with a USB cord. When using it, my signal is boosted up around 95%, occasionally hitting 100%. Suffice to say it was an incredible jump compared to the Onkyo. That said, upgrading my router also boosted my signal with the UWF-1, so it's not entirely due to the adapter. When using the TP-Link adapter, playback skipping drops dramatically and streaming music becomes the (mostly) pleasant experience it ought to be.
That's not to say skipping is nonexistent. I still get it every so often, but far, far more rarely. I'm not certain why this is the case, considering the strong (reported) signal strength. Here is something worth keeping in mind: when using the detachable antenna, I noticed the signal strength was somewhat more volatile than when it wasn't used; ironically, having the antenna seemed to slightly reduce skipping when it does happen. In other words, it seems that using the antenna results in greater signal strength variation that possibly averages lower than without, but less actual skipping occurs. That is what I subjectively noticed, but I cannot explain why. Perhaps the antenna does improve reception but throws the receiver's reading off?
THE BOTTOM LINE
Icefenix is right in recommending the TP-Link TL-WN722N. Absolutely use that instead of the Onkyo UWF-1."
http://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-TL-WN722N-150Mbps-Wireless-Adapter/dp/B002WBX9C6

Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I wasn't considering the UWF-1 for myself, but I didn't know they performed so poorly. I would personally go wired with the MoCA routers, if you have cable TV lines throughout your house and near your receiver. I have a MoCA setup in my own house and it works pretty well. I have 4 MoCA routers and 7 FiOS TV boxes, 11 MoCA devices in total, and I manage to get around 95 Mbps down and about 37 Mbps up on the computers that are not on the main router. The computers on the main router get about 155 Mbps down and 37 Mbps up.
Edited by TazExprez - 9/15/12 at 10:54pm
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post #606 of 909
9/16/12 at 7:23am
I've always used my power line adapters. Has anyone ever used a wireless USB adapter to do a firmware update? Just curious.
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post #607 of 909
9/16/12 at 10:57am
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I've always used my power line adapters. Has anyone ever used a wireless USB adapter to do a firmware update? Just curious.
Same here with powerline adapters. Still can't decide whether to upgrade from my 3007 to the 3009 or 3010. I do have an 11.2 speaker setup with a new 70" LCD display.
I assume the big difference between the 3009 and 3010 is I'd be able to run all 11.2 channels at once with the 3010. Will I really appreciate the video processing over my 3007?
Keep up the great work Joe.smile.gif
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post #608 of 909
9/16/12 at 10:57am
Best Buy has the Actiontec - 500 Mbps Powerline Home Theater Network Adapter Kit on sale this week and you can see see it here.
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post #609 of 909
9/16/12 at 11:06am
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Originally Posted by John Clark View Post

Joe,
I checked O Remote, it looked great, had very good reviews, andI was all set to download it to my iPad2 for use with the 5010 in place of the woefully cheap and inadequate supplied remote. However, I discovered the fact that you must have the AVR networked to use it, and my router is three floors and about 85 feet away from the 5010's location. This is really unfortunate since I just can't stand the standard remote. I hadn't tealized how much this AVR's not having Air Play would complicate things.
I also really don't feel like dropping $250-300.00 on something like a Harmony 1100 remote just to be able to effectively use the receiver. I'm extremely happy with the sound quality, the amplification, the features, the Audyssey/XT32 of the 5010 and especially the 11 channel sound performance. It's just disappointing to run into an issue like this. Especially as I've not currently come up with any solution to resolve it.
John

I used an old linksys wrt54g and flashed the firmware with Dd-wrt. I could then use this as a wireless bridge, which allows this router to connect to your existing wifi and allow plugging in LAN and connecting to your network. It also helps to stabilize the wireless signal down in my basement. I also use ORemote with this and works great.

I did end up running an actual LAN cable down to the area because I found that for streaming movies, etc the wireless connection was not consistent. Hope this helps.
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post #610 of 909
9/19/12 at 5:34am
I'm trying to find out if i should upgrade my onkyot tx-nr3008 to the onkyo tx-nr3010 or wait on the onkyo tx-nr3011 wich is hopefully equipped with Audyssey LFC.

The main reason i want to upgrade is that on the 3008 i can not choose between fh/fw -fh/sb - fw/sb. If you want to use fh with fw you have to reconnect your speakers. For what i understand is that now on this new models you are able to choose betwee fh/fw -fw/sb - fh/sb during playback.

It is for me financial not possible to upgrade again in 2 to 3 years if i do an upgrde now.

The sole reason for waiting on the onkyo 3011 would be the Audyssey LFC but not sure i it is worth the expecting higher price of the new model.



If i a buy the new 3010 i would like to extend it with a low budget external amp to connect the fw (front wide) so i can listen to 11.2. Any suggestion for a low budget amp.

Peter
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post #611 of 909
9/19/12 at 6:41am
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Originally Posted by Peter Terstall View Post

I'm trying to find out if i should upgrade my onkyot tx-nr3008 to the onkyo tx-nr3010 or wait on the onkyo tx-nr3011 wich is hopefully equipped with Audyssey LFC.
The main reason i want to upgrade is that on the 3008 i can not choose between fh/fw -fh/sb - fw/sb. If you want to use fh with fw you have to reconnect your speakers. For what i understand is that now on this new models you are able to choose betwee fh/fw -fw/sb - fh/sb during playback.
It is for me financial not possible to upgrade again in 2 to 3 years if i do an upgrde now.
The sole reason for waiting on the onkyo 3011 would be the Audyssey LFC but not sure i it is worth the expecting higher price of the new model.
If i a buy the new 3010 i would like to extend it with a low budget external amp to connect the fw (front wide) so i can listen to 11.2. Any suggestion for a low budget amp.
Peter

Checkout Denon's 4520CI as well.. It's already equipped with LFC and it's supposed to do the speaker switch as well.. It's "street" price tag should be right between the 5010 and the 3010. So, if you don't want to wait another year check it out.
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post #612 of 909
9/19/12 at 7:51am
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Originally Posted by Peter Terstall View Post

I'm trying to find out if i should upgrade my onkyot tx-nr3008 to the onkyo tx-nr3010 or wait on the onkyo tx-nr3011 wich is hopefully equipped with Audyssey LFC.
The main reason i want to upgrade is that on the 3008 i can not choose between fh/fw -fh/sb - fw/sb. If you want to use fh with fw you have to reconnect your speakers. For what i understand is that now on this new models you are able to choose betwee fh/fw -fw/sb - fh/sb during playback.
It is for me financial not possible to upgrade again in 2 to 3 years if i do an upgrde now.
The sole reason for waiting on the onkyo 3011 would be the Audyssey LFC but not sure i it is worth the expecting higher price of the new model.
If i a buy the new 3010 i would like to extend it with a low budget external amp to connect the fw (front wide) so i can listen to 11.2. Any suggestion for a low budget amp.
Peter

You might look at the Emotiva (www.emotiva.com) lineup of power amps which are well known for good value for money and which might fit your remaining budget depending on your choice.
And i would look at any reviews of any unit which fits your budget, to see if it has everything you want.
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post #613 of 909
9/24/12 at 3:33pm
This thread seems to have come to an end. No 5010 or 3010' owners threads too. What's up? Aren't these models selling enough?
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post #614 of 909
9/24/12 at 11:22pm
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Same here with powerline adapters. Still can't decide whether to upgrade from my 3007 to the 3009 or 3010. I do have an 11.2 speaker setup with a new 70" LCD display.
I assume the big difference between the 3009 and 3010 is I'd be able to run all 11.2 channels at once with the 3010. Will I really appreciate the video processing over my 3007?
Keep up the great work Joe.smile.gif

Hi there i very much like to hear wat you decided. Did you upgrade ?

Peter
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post #615 of 909
9/25/12 at 1:17am
Interest in these types of threads are usually highest, if something unusual appears like problems of all sorts.
If everything just works like it should, the participation and interest in those threads remains low.
I would interpret this as a rather good sign.
...and the numbers sold are not known publicly... at least not to me.
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post #616 of 909
9/25/12 at 6:33am
I make mine your words.
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post #617 of 909
9/26/12 at 11:18am
I just upgraded to a new TX-NR 3010. I did this because my older Onkyo 3008 started having heat related issues that were reported in other Onkyo threads.
Has anyone experienced heat related issues with the new 3010?
Edited by SugarmillMan - 9/26/12 at 2:00pm
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post #618 of 909
9/26/12 at 3:31pm
I'm going to almost two years with my 3008, that I sold to buy the 5010, and never had any kind of trouble with it. Am I lucky or this problem should present itself later?
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post #619 of 909
9/26/12 at 4:17pm
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I just upgraded to a new TX-NR 3010. I did this because my older Onkyo 3008 started having heat related issues that were reported in other Onkyo threads.
Has anyone experienced heat related issues with the new 3010?

My heat related issues showed up at about 18 months of use. Maybe this is how low it can take to surface.
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post #620 of 909
9/26/12 at 8:20pm
Do you use it in a good ventilated place, normally in high volume, any external fans? Not everybody seems to complain about the model. Really sorry for you.
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post #621 of 909
9/27/12 at 4:55am
I had the 3008 on an open shelf with 360 degree ventilation and used external amps only. I've never played it higher than 58 or 59 volume. frown.gif
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post #622 of 909
9/27/12 at 6:44am
Wouldn't you consider, if you don't want to use Onkyo's autorized service, to send your receiver to an alternative service. I say this, because I read complaints of users about the first one. In my case, the 3008 is not mine anymore, though it's still in my house; I sold it to buy the the 5010 (I'm waiting to come). I had problems with receivers before. I had an Yamaha RX-Z1, new, that just started to to turn off, when I was watching pictures and hearing music. I tried all to get it fixed but to no avail. I wish things turns out ok for you. I know how stressing this can be.
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post #623 of 909
9/28/12 at 4:52pm
I got my 5010 installed today. The auto calibration went smoothly, but I barely had time to hear the sound modes. My tv set was connected and the features appeared on the screen. I turned on the projector, but even the hdmi being in both mode I couldn't get the the set up on the screen. I tried to make changes with the controller in the receiver, but things got worse. Now the controller doesn't respond anymore. I changed the batteries to no avail. When I use the set up in the receiver the set up shows on the tv. Both tv and projector are connected to the monitor out. I get the features in one but not on the other. With my 3008, it did appear on both. Is this right? What can have happened to the controller to stop working. Whatever I do to bring it back to work is useless. Any help is fully appreciated. Thanks in advance. Waltie.
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post #624 of 909
9/28/12 at 4:58pm
On the Remote make sure touch Receiver then send out the commands. Make sure your in the further HDMI out (on the right) as that one has become the Main Out. smile.gif
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post #625 of 909
9/29/12 at 2:54am
Well i've got my 3010 operating for a little over a week now. Since I'm a little short on funds to get a real sub setup at this moment, i have an old Pioneer M-10x 2 ch receiver laying around. I tried to hk that up to my 12" sub i had used in my car 10 years ago. Yes this is extremely "ghetto" but i wanted to watch a movie or listen to some music to see how my current set up may sound. Aside from how this could sound, I plugged one rca to SW-1 preout, which then plugged into the pioneer amp Right channel (which has no volume/lpf/phase control). THen ran some speaker wires from R channel +/- amp to sub. (i know the amp may not handle the lower ohms on these subs, but should be fine for a few minutes). Anyhow my problem is that i don't hear anything coming out of the sub. I'm in menu mode, speaker config w/ sub set to1ch. Then went to 3. Audio adjust; 7. Direct and made sure subwoofer set to On. Tried different listening modes as some modes don't utilize a sub. Any suggestions? Also tried to run xt32 but there's no output coming from the sub during calibration. Is there something i'm missing? The amp doesn't short or shut-off. Maybe i need t get a volt meter to see if i'm seeing any voltage coming from the pre-out SW-1?

Just to see if my amp was still good, i unhked the rca from SW-1 preout to the front channel preout and switched my front bookshelf speaker wires from the 3010 to the amp. Speaker and amp worked.
I think took my sub down to my car and switched speaker wires with my existing sub and it worked fine.

So this leaves me to believe that the amp is so weak that it can't even output a single heartbeat? or there's a setting i'm missing?
or i'm just plain ignorant that this setup would never work at all.

Anyhow any helpful comments on how i can get this to at least work (no matter how bad the sound may be) would greatly be appreciated. Thanks!
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post #626 of 909
9/29/12 at 10:08am
JoeRod: Thanks a lot. The controller is operating perfectly. There's something, however, I didn't like. Since the the tv set is connected to the HDMI main out, and my projector in the HDMI/sub, I can't upscale to 1080p. My monitor out is set to both. Is there a means I can come around it? I mean upscaling the image 1081i from the tv to the projector.
Edited by waltie - 9/29/12 at 10:15am
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post #627 of 909
9/29/12 at 3:16pm
Nevermind figured it out, i had the sub set to 1 ch but i needed to change the front speakers from full range to cross over.
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post #628 of 909
9/29/12 at 5:11pm
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JoeRod: Thanks a lot. The controller is operating perfectly. There's something, however, I didn't like. Since the the tv set is connected to the HDMI main out, and my projector in the HDMI/sub, I can't upscale to 1080p. My monitor out is set to both. Is there a means I can come around it? I mean upscaling the image 1081i from the tv to the projector.

If you figure this out please let me know. I have a TV and a projector that I want to connect to my next receiver. I am thinking about getting either an Onkyo TX-NR3010 or a Denon AVR-4520CI.
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post #629 of 909
9/30/12 at 4:23am
I think maybe I were not clear enough in my posts. What happens is that on tv I can get the incoming signal from the cable upscaled to 1080p. But the signal I get in my projector is 1080i. I did it with my 3008, but not with the 5010. I tested the Neo: x yesterday and, in fact, it's superb.
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post #630 of 909
9/30/12 at 4:15pm
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Definitely will. smile.gif

Joe,

The Denon 4520Ci is officially out now, and the Official Thread is going fast.. Page 7 as of now.

Not to put any pressure on you biggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gif, but I'm really looking forward for your comparison. Have been an Onkyo fan for over a decade, but I really want to hear from you what Denon is putting on the table

Cheers!
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