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post #691 of 1066
I finally got the TX-NR5010 and hooked it up just now. It's pretty sweet but I have some questions. Let me start with an easy one.

Should I leave the low pass filter at 120 or switch it off completely?

Oh and I notice that Audyssey on my TX-SR705 always set my speakers to full band but my TX-NR5010 sets my towers to 150 Hz and my center/surrounds to 70 Hz. I'm a bit confused by that. Especially since my towers are a pair of Klipsch RF-63's.

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post #692 of 1066
Audyssey actually measures the speaker response in your room and thus may come up with some deviation from the (idealized) manufacturers spec sheet.
Some rearrangement of speaker and seating positions may change this to the better (or worse).
post #693 of 1066
150 Hz cross over is VERY high, my Axiom Audio M0 wall mount speakers were set to 110 Hz...and they are far less capable than your towers. I would run audyssey again.
post #694 of 1066
I know that I only did the quick and dirty one position setup for Audyssey. I normally use all 8 positions but last night I knew I wouldn't have much time (I get up real early to drive at least an hour to work) so I did the one position instead. That might be a contributing factor.

However, looking back, I think I might have had one of my bi-amped towers wired wrong (the HF input of the speaker connected to the LF output of the receiver and vice versa) and that probably resulted in the wonky crossover. After all, it set my center (an RC-62) and my surrounds (a pair of SR-8080BP's) at 70 Hz. So the 150 Hz setting of my RF-63's has to be due to some incorrect wiring on my part.

I'm going to try again (and double check my connections) when I get home this afternoon.
post #695 of 1066
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Originally Posted by Lepus View Post

After reading lots of posts on this forum, as to which receiver to get, I decided to go with the TX-NR3010. Hearing that the 3009 had heat issues, hoping this one does not. I'm upgrading from a Denon 3805, which has served rather well with no problems at all. I tried the Yamaha RX-A2010 and did not like the GUI what so ever, and all the scene choices didn't make it easy, I didn't care for the Adventure, Scifi selections that it had. Was considering the RX-A3020, Denon 4311, even looked at the Pioneer sc-1527k. We'll see how the Onkyo works out in the end, should be here in a couple of weeks, enough time to allow me to finishing putting up Roxul safe and sound insulation, and possibly get gyprock on the ceiling... wink.gif

you didnt like the GUI of the Yamaha?

That may be my favorite...especially since they use the same one even down in their very midrange receivers
Yamaha has always been big on having "umpteen" surround formats. I never used them and have always run my Yamahas in "straight" mode

Compared to your older Denon though...any of them are going to look advanced in their GUI

Any of the Pioneer products are not going be very advanced in their menu's......they still use a very basic set up

I am still not convinced that heat from the xx09 to the xx10 models has changed much


Warren
post #696 of 1066
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Originally Posted by cybrsage View Post

I can say the Onkyo 3010 is no hotter than the Denon 3808 was. I feel you have no reason to worry about the heat related failures that might not have been caused by the high heat. wink.gif



heat related failures that might have been caused by the high heat....??

I cant make sense of that statement...you say "heat related"...which I wonder how you know definitively

and then "might" have been caused by the high heat

By the way...I plan on making a trip to frys electronics and checking out a 5010 on a demo...I will be able to tell in 5 mins if the heat is comparable to the 5009



Warren
post #697 of 1066
Okay, I checked and rechecked my connection. I still got 150 Hz. I even intentionally wired them the wrong way (in case my speakers or the receiver was mislabeled) and I still got 150 Hz. So I made sure to rewire the speakers correctly again and go ahead and run the full 8 position calibration. Now the towers are crossed at 120 Hz. :lol:

Although, this does lead me to believe that the problem is indeed the positioning of the towers. My center speaker is on a shelf mounted flush to the front wall. My surrounds are also mounted flush to the wall. Both the surrounds and center keep getting set to 70 Hz (in one instance my center got set to 60 Hz and the surrounds to 80 Hz). However, that backs of my towers are actually a foot away from the front wall (I had read that they should actually be farther away but that's the best I could do in my small living room). Also, there's a small window directly behind my left tower and a tall window to the right of my right tower (both closed during calibration, of course). So perhaps that's why Audyssey is setting them so high. Because, while the chirps were being played during calibration, the towers sounded beefier than my other speakers. But maybe Audyssey detected a distinct lack of linearity and compensated accordingly.
post #698 of 1066
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Originally Posted by RocShemp View Post

Okay, I checked and rechecked my connection. I still got 150 Hz. I even intentionally wired them the wrong way (in case my speakers or the receiver was mislabeled) and I still got 150 Hz. So I made sure to rewire the speakers correctly again and go ahead and run the full 8 position calibration. Now the towers are crossed at 120 Hz. :lol:
Although, this does lead me to believe that the problem is indeed the positioning of the towers. My center speaker is on a shelf mounted flush to the front wall. My surrounds are also mounted flush to the wall. Both the surrounds and center keep getting set to 70 Hz (in one instance my center got set to 60 Hz and the surrounds to 80 Hz). However, that backs of my towers are actually a foot away from the front wall (I had read that they should actually be farther away but that's the best I could do in my small living room). Also, there's a small window directly behind my left tower and a tall window to the right of my right tower (both closed during calibration, of course). So perhaps that's why Audyssey is setting them so high. Because, while the chirps were being played during calibration, the towers sounded beefier than my other speakers. But maybe Audyssey detected a distinct lack of linearity and compensated accordingly.

have you updated your 5010 to the latest firmware update? Also maybe you should try calibrating your speakers without them bi-amped. I know the 5010/3010 has a new feature called Digital Crossover Processing Network and maybe be affecting your calibration. Since it's not featured on my receiver I don't know to much about it.

It has also been said that bi-amping will not improve your sound unless you bypass the speakers internal crossovers, the good thing about the new 5010/3010 is that new feature is made for that purpose.
post #699 of 1066
I'm downloading the firmware update right now to give it a shot. I read up on the Digital Crossover Processing Network in the manual but it sorta flew over my head.If this doesn't do the trick, I'll dig for wherever I put the metal plates for the binding posts and try the speakers sans bi-amping.
post #700 of 1066
Firmware finally updated. Now the "fun" begins...
post #701 of 1066
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Originally Posted by turnne1 View Post

heat related failures that might have been caused by the high heat....??

You rail against the problems caused by high heat and then claim the problems are not heat related.
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I cant make sense of that statement...you say "heat related"...which I wonder how you know definitively

Of course not, it is because you have problems following your own logic. It is understandable.
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By the way...I plan on making a trip to frys electronics and checking out a 5010 on a demo...I will be able to tell in 5 mins if the heat is comparable to the 5009
Warren

My prediction, you will claim they are the same so you can keep whining.
post #702 of 1066
MYSTERY SOLVED:

The supplied Audyssey mic was bad. It's packaged in a corner of the shipping box and said corner was smushed. Since the mic shows no physical signs of damage, I thought nothing of it. However, when I reran the calibration today (bi-amed, since I've no clue where I put the bridge clips that came with my RF-63's), it acted incredibly weird. The mic was demanding I set my subwoofers incredibly high (one at max only barely reached 73 dB) and the resulting audio was horribly aggressive no matter the volume. It once again set my towers to 150 Hz and now it claimed my surrounds and center should be each set at 90 Hz.

So, to test a theory, I used the mic that came with my TX-NR705. My subs have their gains now set to only a quarter turn, my towers were set to 40 Hz, and my center and surrounds were set to 50 Hz respectively.

Now who do I turn to replace the mic? Audyssey directly or to Onkyo?
post #703 of 1066
I just read up about a mixup with older Onkyo receivers. Apparently my older mic is not an Audyssey mic but an Onkyo mic. Later Audyssey convinced Onkyo to switch to their mics but Audyssey screwed up and sent Onkyo the wrong mics. The wrong mics were labeled AMC-1 and the correct mics were labeled AMC-1H.

http://www.avforums.com/forums/av-amplifiers-receivers/1399081-onkyo-supply-wrong-audyssey-mic-many-check-yours.html

The new mic I have is labeled AMC-1HB. However, I can find nothing about my mic designation online.
post #704 of 1066
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Originally Posted by RocShemp View Post

MYSTERY SOLVED:
The supplied Audyssey mic was bad. It's packaged in a corner of the shipping box and said corner was smushed. Since the mic shows no physical signs of damage, I thought nothing of it. However, when I reran the calibration today (bi-amed, since I've no clue where I put the bridge clips that came with my RF-63's), it acted incredibly weird. The mic was demanding I set my subwoofers incredibly high (one at max only barely reached 73 dB) and the resulting audio was horribly aggressive no matter the volume. It once again set my towers to 150 Hz and now it claimed my surrounds and center should be each set at 90 Hz.
So, to test a theory, I used the mic that came with my TX-NR705. My subs have their gains now set to only a quarter turn, my towers were set to 40 Hz, and my center and surrounds were set to 50 Hz respectively.
Now who do I turn to replace the mic? Audyssey directly or to Onkyo?

The manufacturer of your unit, Onkyo.
Audyssey has nothing to do with it, except that it supplies these mics to the manufacturers like Onkyo / Integra etc.
If a transistor had to be replaced within your unit you wouldn't want to talk to the manufacturer of the transistor but of the complete unit because of warranty reasons.
post #705 of 1066
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Originally Posted by RocShemp View Post

I just read up about a mixup with older Onkyo receivers. Apparently my older mic is not an Audyssey mic but an Onkyo mic. Later Audyssey convinced Onkyo to switch to their mics but Audyssey screwed up and sent Onkyo the wrong mics. The wrong mics were labeled AMC-1 and the correct mics were labeled AMC-1H.
http://www.avforums.com/forums/av-amplifiers-receivers/1399081-onkyo-supply-wrong-audyssey-mic-many-check-yours.html
The new mic I have is labeled AMC-1HB. However, I can find nothing about my mic designation online.

The ACM-1H mic has been used with Marantz and Onkyo AVRs for the past few years and was just replaced this year with the ACM-1HB mic which is now used on Denon, Marantz, and Onkyo AVRs. Both are interchangeable as only a cosmetic change was made on the newer mic. Note these mics are also interchangeable with the DM-A409 mic used with Denon AVRs for the past 4 years as well.
post #706 of 1066
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

The ACM-1H mic has been used with Marantz and Onkyo AVRs for the past few years and was just replaced this year with the ACM-1HB mic which is now used on Denon, Marantz, and Onkyo AVRs. Both are interchangeable as only a cosmetic change was made on the newer mic. Note these mics are also interchangeable with the DM-A409 mic used with Denon AVRs for the past 4 years as well.

So then rather than receive an incompatible mic, mine is simply defective. Do I contact Onkyo or Audyssey to get a replacement?
post #707 of 1066
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Originally Posted by RocShemp View Post

So then rather than receive an incompatible mic, mine is simply defective. Do I contact Onkyo or Audyssey to get a replacement?

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Originally Posted by gurkey View Post

The manufacturer of your unit, Onkyo.
Audyssey has nothing to do with it, except that it supplies these mics to the manufacturers like Onkyo / Integra etc.
If a transistor had to be replaced within your unit you wouldn't want to talk to the manufacturer of the transistor but of the complete unit because of warranty reasons.
post #708 of 1066
Sorry, I didn't notice gurkey's post.
post #709 of 1066
Quote:
Originally Posted by RocShemp View Post

MYSTERY SOLVED:
The supplied Audyssey mic was bad. It's packaged in a corner of the shipping box and said corner was smushed. Since the mic shows no physical signs of damage, I thought nothing of it. However, when I reran the calibration today (bi-amed, since I've no clue where I put the bridge clips that came with my RF-63's), it acted incredibly weird. The mic was demanding I set my subwoofers incredibly high (one at max only barely reached 73 dB) and the resulting audio was horribly aggressive no matter the volume. It once again set my towers to 150 Hz and now it claimed my surrounds and center should be each set at 90 Hz.
So, to test a theory, I used the mic that came with my TX-NR705. My subs have their gains now set to only a quarter turn, my towers were set to 40 Hz, and my center and surrounds were set to 50 Hz respectively.
Now who do I turn to replace the mic? Audyssey directly or to Onkyo?

I guess if the corner was pushed in the mic could have taken a hit causing it to mess up. They are pretty delicate.
post #710 of 1066
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Originally Posted by RocShemp View Post

Sorry, I didn't notice gurkey's post.

smile.gif Not a problem, happens to all of us. That is why I reposted it for you.
post #711 of 1066
I Have experienced a kind of trouble that maybe someone can help me detect its cause. My 5010 is connected to a current conditioner device. For lack of inputs in the conditioner I added a filter line where my sub, projector are linked. I finished connecting the current conditioner to the filter line also. I went on a trip and disconnected the filter. When I returned and switched it on I had a noisy sound coming from the receiver in my Net cable source. By pressing the hdmi cables in main and sub outs the noise disappeared and I thought It was all over. Yesterday there was an energy fall and kept all my equipments off, that is, the current conditioner (plugged in the filter line). I didn't take the cable out from the outlet. When I turned the receiver on there was the same noisy sound I had before. Once more I pressed the cables connected to the main and sub outs, and finally the sound got right. Could that be something related to the connection between the conditioner and filter line. I already managed to plug them in separate outlets. My fear is that the problem is related to the hdmi board in the receiver. I appreciate somebody's help. Thanks in advance.
post #712 of 1066
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Originally Posted by turnne1 View Post

you didnt like the GUI of the Yamaha?
That may be my favorite...especially since they use the same one even down in their very midrange receivers
Yamaha has always been big on having "umpteen" surround formats. I never used them and have always run my Yamahas in "straight" mode
Compared to your older Denon though...any of them are going to look advanced in their GUI
Any of the Pioneer products are not going be very advanced in their menu's......they still use a very basic set up
I am still not convinced that heat from the xx09 to the xx10 models has changed much
Warren

Nope didn't like the GUI at all. It just seemed to be missing options and such, and there were way too many audio modes. Such as movie - scifi... Gonna give the Onkyo a try when it comes in, should be here today at some point.

The other part was with the auto speaker setup it didn't allow you to choose 5.1 setup with zone 2 speakers. The auto options only showed 7.1 + zone 2.
Edited by Lepus - 11/13/12 at 12:04pm
post #713 of 1066
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Originally Posted by waltie View Post

I Have experienced a kind of trouble that maybe someone can help me detect its cause. My 5010 is connected to a current conditioner device. For lack of inputs in the conditioner I added a filter line where my sub, projector are linked. I finished connecting the current conditioner to the filter line also. I went on a trip and disconnected the filter. When I returned and switched it on I had a noisy sound coming from the receiver in my Net cable source. By pressing the hdmi cables in main and sub outs the noise disappeared and I thought It was all over. Yesterday there was an energy fall and kept all my equipments off, that is, the current conditioner (plugged in the filter line). I didn't take the cable out from the outlet. When I turned the receiver on there was the same noisy sound I had before. Once more I pressed the cables connected to the main and sub outs, and finally the sound got right. Could that be something related to the connection between the conditioner and filter line. I already managed to plug them in separate outlets. My fear is that the problem is related to the hdmi board in the receiver. I appreciate somebody's help. Thanks in advance.

I'm guessing that your current conditioner is actually a power conditioner, such as this: http://www.tripplite.com/en/products/model.cfm?txtModelID=3498
What is the filter line you refer to? If you have brand/model detail it would help.

What you may want to try is reduce the amount of components in the equation as best you can to determine where the problem might be. Try to ensure that each device is getting it's own separate power outlet. IE you shouldn't plug a power bar into another power bar. More info the better, also if you can provide details of all the equipment in your setup would be helpful.
post #714 of 1066
Thank you very much Lepus for your response. Indeed I think I got the source of the problem. The NET receiver's HDMI cable was not good. The sound seems to be alright now. Anyway I'll get an electrician to fix the outlet where the power conditioner was plugged in. If the trouble returns, I'll call a technician.
post #715 of 1066
Hey Lepus: I think I got the worst of nightmares. Today in the morning the receiver was working wonderfully as if nothing had happened. I tested it at least two times and it didn't show the noise. I went to work and bought a new high speed HDMI cable. I changed it but got no image and sound in my tv set (Sharp Elite 70'). I tried the component video connection with success, meaning I was getting perfect signal from the NET cable. I tried the input bottom on the tv's remote control and the screen showed the information: HDMI skipped. I've tried all the hdmi sources but none worked. Well I don't know yet, but wonder what the issue is: HDMI board. fail. As soon as I have the technical diagnosis I will post it.
post #716 of 1066
I got one of the very first 3010 and it is working flawlessly. I do watch a lot of 24p movies with no issue....they go through mpc-hc from my htpc most of the time
post #717 of 1066
I don't see a dedicated 3010 thread, is there one?
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post #719 of 1066
Is there any means to place another fan in the receiver as to avoid HDMI failure. What good external fan should I use to tame the heat? I'm in Brazil and such products are hard to find.
post #720 of 1066
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Originally Posted by waltie View Post

Is there any means to place another fan in the receiver as to avoid HDMI failure. What good external fan should I use to tame the heat? I'm in Brazil and such products are hard to find.

You might try a laptop cooler on top of the receiver. Some have fairly large fans.
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