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post #751 of 1066
I'm considering the 3010 and was wondering if anybody can confirm whether Zone 2 or 3 can output a 2ch down-mix of an HDMI source in Zone 1 playing simultaneously ( I would power Zone 2 with a separate amp). I want my Zone 2 speakers in the kitchen ceiling to play what is being shown on the TV in Zone 1 as the kitchen overlooks that room and I'm spending a lot of time in there - it would prevent me from having to crank the Zone 1 speakers louder to hear them from my kitchen.

Thanks.

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post #752 of 1066
No idea, I do not use zones - but I figured I would give you a bump. smile.gif
post #753 of 1066
Looking at a 1010. Does anyone know if it will do gapless playback of FLAC and/or WMA files from local USB drive?
post #754 of 1066
Well I had Zone 2 (tx-nr3010) playing on New Years and I went to shut it off, as I couldn't find my iOS device to remotely do it. When I touched the top of the unit, it was very very hot. It was only on for a few hours, and no other speakers were hooked up at the time. Anyways very wierd, also this unit was completely open to the room, so it was not inside any cabinetry.
post #755 of 1066
Quote:
Originally Posted by T. Perinne View Post

I'm considering the 3010 and was wondering if anybody can confirm whether Zone 2 or 3 can output a 2ch down-mix of an HDMI source in Zone 1 playing simultaneously ( I would power Zone 2 with a separate amp). I want my Zone 2 speakers in the kitchen ceiling to play what is being shown on the TV in Zone 1 as the kitchen overlooks that room and I'm spending a lot of time in there - it would prevent me from having to crank the Zone 1 speakers louder to hear them from my kitchen.
Thanks.

I tried to use an HDMI source from Zone 1 to play music to Zone 2, and it would not work for me, I didn't play around with it much but it didn't work.
post #756 of 1066
I use to have a TX-NR3007. I had a 7.1 setup, with Bi-amp on the FL/FR using the SBL/SBR. I also used FWL/FWR for extra dimension. I was very satified with this setup.

Last week I received the TX-NR3010 and tried to do the same setup. Guess what! Bi-amp is not done via the Surround Backs anymore. I tried to use a different setup, by using the Surround Back speakers and not using the Front Wide channels, but I did not like that setup.

I gave up bi-amping and I am using the Front Wides again.

Anyone knows if it is possible to change bi-amping back to the Surround Back channels, like on the TX-NR3007?

thanks!

Michel
post #757 of 1066
Is there a firmware history for the Onkyo TX3010/5010? My firmware is 1030-2101-0100-0000 I have no problems with this "old" firmware so I don't know if I should change it.
post #758 of 1066
Quote:
Originally Posted by ILoveTeufelSub View Post

Is there a firmware history for the Onkyo TX3010/5010? My firmware is 1030-2101-0100-0000 I have no problems with this "old" firmware so I don't know if I should change it.

Sometimes there are performance enhancing additions. I'd update. smile.gif
post #759 of 1066
Ok thanks, but it would be interesting what was changed since 1030-2101-0100-0000
post #760 of 1066
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lepus View Post

Well I had Zone 2 (tx-nr3010) playing on New Years and I went to shut it off, as I couldn't find my iOS device to remotely do it. When I touched the top of the unit, it was very very hot. It was only on for a few hours, and no other speakers were hooked up at the time. Anyways very wierd, also this unit was completely open to the room, so it was not inside any cabinetry.

Onkyo products run hot


Warren
post #761 of 1066
Quote:
Originally Posted by turnne1 View Post

Onkyo products run hot


Warren

Compared to what? Sure, it runs hotter than my old Pioneer 1120 (which was far less capable of a receiver), but it runs no hotter than my old Denon 3808. You have been told this already.
post #762 of 1066
post #763 of 1066
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Originally Posted by cybrsage View Post

Compared to what? Sure, it runs hotter than my old Pioneer 1120 (which was far less capable of a receiver), but it runs no hotter than my old Denon 3808. You have been told this already.

as compared to anything I have ever owned in the past few years

Denon 4308, 4310, Pioneer SC07,SC25 SC35, SC37, Yamaha A3000, Yamaha Z7...as well as some separate amps I have owned
Harman Kardon PA2200, PA2400, B&K reference and the latest Sherbourn 5/1500A( running the current main HT setup)

My 5009's( I have two) run on par , heat wise, with a few other Onkyo's I have had in recent years...805,807,875(two units), and 905( replaced by Onkyo under warranty with a 5009)
three of those units had failed HDMI boards that failed under warranty..Onkyo took back( as lemons) two of them and replaced them with new units from the then current year model

YOU have been told this already

any other questions?



Warren
Edited by turnne1 - 1/13/13 at 6:40am
post #764 of 1066
Quote:
Originally Posted by turnne1 View Post

as compared to anything I have ever owned in the past few years

Denon 4308, 4310, Pioneer SC07,SC25 SC35, SC37, Yamaha A3000, Yamaha Z7...as well as some separate amps I have owned
Harman Kardon PA2200, PA2400, B&K reference and the latest Sherbourn 5/1500A( running the current main HT setup)

My 5009's( I have two) run on par , heat wise, with a few other Onkyo's I have had in recent years...805,807,875(two units), and 905( replaced by Onkyo under warranty with a 5009)
three of those units had failed HDMI boards that failed under warranty..Onkyo took back( as lemons) two of them and replaced them with new units from the then current year model

YOU have been told this already


Warren

Hot is a useless adjective. If the Onkyo 3010 runs .01F hotter than the Denon 3808, technically it runs hotter. In the real world, the difference is negligible and people would say it does not run hotter. Be a bit more quantitative with your adjective. I can say, without any doubt, that the Denon 3808 and the Onkyo 3010 run at the same basic temperature - neither is hotter than the other. Both produce heat, both require airspace around them, and neither one requires extra cooling to keep it running properly.

So tell us, how much hotter is the Onkyo than the host of other receivers you mention? Yes, we all know ICE amps are going to run cooler, so you should ignore those - very different technology.

Also, a look around the web at other owners of AVRs shows you most likely have a defective unit. Here is one with actual temperature readings:

[Begin Update 10/4/2011]
3010 Temperature Measurements
Ambient: 78F

Top of Unit
Laser thermometer: 105F
Digital thermometer: 105F

Compared to my Denon 2807
Ambient: 76F
Laser thermometer: 105F

Both units have good ventilation (open front/rear at least 3" space above).

Sound quality continues to impress. Web-based remote control has been very useful in practice.
[End Update 10/4/2011]
http://www.amazon.com/Yamaha-RX-A3010BL-9-2-Channel-Network-Receiver/product-reviews/B0056GJLJY

Others in this thread have reported the top of the unit being cool and, after running at a very high power usage for an hour straight, the internal temp managed to finally reach 123F. If your unit is runs hot, you have a bad unit and should return it, since others are not having the same issue you are having.
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Originally Posted by cablebandit3 View Post

ok 38 hours on it now. I got the temp to show 123f deg but the top wasnt hot....just really warm so im not sure what the probe is measuring. Im thinking it measures the heatsinks for the amp because at that time i had no video going..just music in All Stereo mode at about -12 volume for an hour. The 3010 has fans in it for the heatsinks but i do not know what temp they are activated.
Ive tried front high and front wide..I like the wide better.

Quote:
any other questions?

Yes, why have you not sent your unit in for repair or replacement since it is obviously running far hotter than everyone else's units?
post #765 of 1066
Quote:
Originally Posted by cybrsage View Post

Hot is a useless adjective. If the Onkyo 3010 runs .01F hotter than the Denon 3808, technically it runs hotter. In the real world, the difference is negligible and people would say it does not run hotter. Be a bit more quantitative with your adjective. I can say, without any doubt, that the Denon 3808 and the Onkyo 3010 run at the same basic temperature - neither is hotter than the other. Both produce heat, both require airspace around them, and neither one requires extra cooling to keep it running properly.

So tell us, how much hotter is the Onkyo than the host of other receivers you mention? Yes, we all know ICE amps are going to run cooler, so you should ignore those - very different technology.

Also, a look around the web at other owners of AVRs shows you most likely have a defective unit. Here is one with actual temperature readings:

[Begin Update 10/4/2011]
3010 Temperature Measurements
Ambient: 78F

Top of Unit
Laser thermometer: 105F
Digital thermometer: 105F

Compared to my Denon 2807
Ambient: 76F
Laser thermometer: 105F

Both units have good ventilation (open front/rear at least 3" space above).

Sound quality continues to impress. Web-based remote control has been very useful in practice.
[End Update 10/4/2011]
http://www.amazon.com/Yamaha-RX-A3010BL-9-2-Channel-Network-Receiver/product-reviews/B0056GJLJY

Others in this thread have reported the top of the unit being cool and, after running at a very high power usage for an hour straight, the internal temp managed to finally reach 123F. If your unit is runs hot, you have a bad unit and should return it, since others are not having the same issue you are having.

Yes, why have you not sent your unit in for repair or replacement since it is obviously running far hotter than everyone else's units?

Not really...its a comparative word in this scenario

If something thing varies greatly in temperature if can EASILY be determined by a touch of the hand and described as hotter( or cooler)

as for Onkyos running hot...you should take some time and read some here on AVS about the last 5 generations of their THX ultra units....which I have owned about all of at one time or another... and see what feedback owners have stated

You might be enlightened

Of the units I listed earlier ....the Onkyos have all been noticeably hotter to the touch...including the Sherbourn amp that has far more power with a real 200x5( all channels driven) than any AVR Onkyo has ever made

You mentioned something about pieces of this capability not running hotter......really?....

Have you ever used( had any experience) with a Sunfire amp...I am not sure why you relate capability to temperature.....


The fact that "heat" has been mentioned several times in this thread would indicate that owner's questioned the heat being out off from their units

Something I have not seen in other forums that I read consistently of other products I have owned( excluding the Pioneer SC units)...Yamaha Z7, A3000, Denon 4310..etc..etc


As for me sending it back...I am not sure there is a spec listed for operating temperature?....Please advise
In the past Onkyo has had information in the manual that stated the units run hot


Onkyo has replaced two of my units with a newer model...for failures
Some say they are heat related failures?..I have no idea. Perhaps the reason a lot owners use fans on their units. I never have.

I have a new 5009( in a box in my basement) for a failed 905 they replaced( for a failed HDMI board and then a DSP issue)

The other 5009 I use occasionally...does run warm..I watched The Bourne Legacy on it last night. I would say its runs about as warm as the older 875 does to the touch after 2 hours of use

As I said before..I dont own a 5010
Unless they have made MARKED improvements over the 5009( and really the last 4 generations)....perhaps you can advise on the 5009 vs 5010 on heat output from your own use and advise?

The 5009 runs hotter in my environment( using the same speakers and media) than anything I have owned...excluding other Onkyo receivers

On another note...as I read through the 3008/5008 owners forums they are starting to have HDMI issues....some say these are heat related. Again I have no idea
I will say that this same cycle repeats its self after the units have been in operation for 2-3 years..consistently over the last 5 generations of Onkyo AVRs
I have been lucky in that warranty has served me well and given me three new units of a newer model than my failed one ( 2 direct from Onkyo and one through a MHT extended warranty replacement)

also of note is there are several Onkyo failure tracking threads in this forum...such as this one
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1347982/x08-and-x09-onkyo-failure-tracking-thread

heat is mentioned more than once an issue in that thread



Warren
Edited by turnne1 - 1/13/13 at 12:11pm
post #766 of 1066
You keep pretending the x10 is the same as previous models. Stop doing that, it is silly. The heat issues of the past no longer exist no matter how much you want to pretend they do. Others are not having heat issues, only you it appears. If you are having the heat issues you claim you are having, you must have a defective model; return it or get it fixed. The only other option is that you are making up the heat issue because you are still mad at Onkyo for going above and beyond in their repairs of your previous models (which did have heat issues) and have an irrational desire to slur them for doing far more than most companies would do. They gave you a new model year unit instead of simply repairing your old unit. That is excellent customer service. They gave you a unit which does not have the same problem with heat. Other companies would not do that.

Of course people have asked about heat, past years have had heat issues. Current year does not, no matter how much you wish it did nor how many times you (and no one else) says there are heat issues. You also keep mentioning previous models as if the x10 models are the previous models. They are not the same and the heat issue is gone. Gone as it not there, taken care of, design flaw removed, not an issue...

If you want to complain about the heat issues in models this thread is not about, I suggest you follow the link you provided and complain away. The x10 does not have the same heat problem; complaining about previous models in the x10 thread is silly. If the heat issues still existed, a host of people would be complaining about it (like in the previous model years thread you posted). Since only you are complaining, we can easily see the problem is gone.
Edited by cybrsage - 1/14/13 at 4:20pm
post #767 of 1066
I have a TX-NR3010 and it has no heat issues.
post #768 of 1066
It is smart to be wary - the two previous years were very hot and then suffered issues due to the heat. The smart person would wait for reviews and ask if the problem of the units being very hot has been fixed. Those who did reviews in this thread verified the new model year does not get nearly as hot as the previous two model years. With that in mind, many people (myself included) purchased them. Those of us who did verified the statements made by the reviewers.

Just smart to work it that way due to the past. But now we know the past is over, so anyone with excessive heat should have their unit repaired / replaced...it is defective.
post #769 of 1066
It is merely speculation that heat is the primary cause of the Onkyo HDMI board failures. The boards didn't start failing until around 18 to 24 months, and the failures occurred under various operating conditions. Some people who reported HDMI failure had good ventilation, some had poor ventilation, some had external fans attached in addition to good ventilation, etc.

The reality is that you have no idea if Onkyo has solved a longevity issue on a unit that is only 6 months old... wink.gif
post #770 of 1066
Correct, but we can instantly say the x10 units run much, much cooler than the older models - and run at approx. the same temp as other brands in the current model year.
post #771 of 1066
Well I spoke with Onkyo forum support and this is the answer they provided me with regards to heat.

Quote:
Our receivers do tend to run about 80 degrees above ambient room temperature, this is normal. If you install the apparatus in a built-in installation, such as a bookcase or rack, ensure that there is adequate ventilation. Leave 20 cm (8") of free space at the top and sides and 10 cm (4") at the rear. The rear edge of the shelf or board above the apparatus shall be set 10 cm (4") away from the rear panel or wall, creating a flue-like gap for warm air to escape. Please make sure that when you turn off the main receiver that you also turn off the Zone 2 because if you don’t turn off Zone2 (if your receiver has this feature) then the receiver will continue to run and will produce heat. There is an internet dealer selling cooling fans that can be used with our receivers www.coolerguys.com.

Thanks,

Forum Moderator 2
post #772 of 1066
Yeah, proper airspace is vital. Look at the huge space Denon requires (from the 4250 manual):


For proper heat dispersal, do not install this unit in a confined space, such as a bookcase or similar enclosure.
• More than 12 in. (0.3 m) is recommended.
• Do not place any other equipment on this unit.


They want a full foot on each side (except the bottom, of course).
post #773 of 1066
Even using Zone 2 ,Although I can not speak for this unit as I do not own, usually when you turn on a Receiver ALL amps rum at full output all the time. That is why I hate to use a receiver as a pre- amp. Unless you can shut off the internal amps. Also you are really combining a computer with audio amps and video board. That is all the heat, again a good reason for pre-amp/amp separation. I hate that companies are getting away from components and stuffing it all into one chassis.
post #774 of 1066
I just ordered the onkyo 3010 and had a few questions. I want to run a 11.1 setup with front heights and wides. I also want to use either zone 2 or 3 to power a pair of patio speakers. I also have an emotiva Xpa5 amp. What do I need to do In order to have a 11.1 set up while using a zone for the patio speakers? I wouldn't ever run the 11.1 with the patio speakers at the same time if that helps.
post #775 of 1066
Ok one cool thing about this Receiver is the built in RIHD and the standard remote it comes with. You can turn on each device you want through RIHD which is cool with the press of a button.
post #776 of 1066
Quote:
Originally Posted by nitsuj79 View Post

I just ordered the onkyo 3010 and had a few questions. I want to run a 11.1 setup with front heights and wides. I also want to use either zone 2 or 3 to power a pair of patio speakers. I also have an emotiva Xpa5 amp. What do I need to do In order to have a 11.1 set up while using a zone for the patio speakers? I wouldn't ever run the 11.1 with the patio speakers at the same time if that helps.

I never use zones so I do not know how it would work.
post #777 of 1066
Quote:
Originally Posted by nitsuj79 View Post

I just ordered the onkyo 3010 and had a few questions. I want to run a 11.1 setup with front heights and wides. I also want to use either zone 2 or 3 to power a pair of patio speakers. I also have an emotiva Xpa5 amp. What do I need to do In order to have a 11.1 set up while using a zone for the patio speakers? I wouldn't ever run the 11.1 with the patio speakers at the same time if that helps.

I'm pretty sure you have to choose if you want wides and highs vs zone 2 and zone 3.
post #778 of 1066
Thanks for the info Guys
post #779 of 1066
Just wondering guys since I'm new to these models, are there any problems with the 3010 I should know about going in? I guess I mean similar to the widespread problems there were with the 08 models with video switching or powering on and off by itself.

Thanks in advance
post #780 of 1066
I have not run into any. Some have said that switching input sources cause a loud click sound, but my receiver is outside my theater room so I cannot confirm this. It runs no hotter than my old Denon 3808CI (of blessed memory), though I run a fan on the top of it pullout out air due to both paranoia and that I had one sitting around unused. Definitely make sure you do the firmware upgrade BEFORE doing any setup.
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