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post #871 of 1066
Anybody running there 3010 with four or more subwoofers attached?

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post #872 of 1066
I have a 3007 now, is there any need to upgrade to the 3010? I am having a hard time justifying it
post #873 of 1066
What you mean by "need" ?
This interpretation is very subjective because individual needs differ crossly.
As long as the 3007 functions without problems there is no "need" to upgrade objectively.
post #874 of 1066
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Originally Posted by pgodden View Post

I have a 3007 now, is there any need to upgrade to the 3010? I am having a hard time justifying it
Unless you need the added bells and whistles like a couple more HDMI inputs, improved 2nd HDMI output, 3D support with 1.4a HDMI, support for 4 subs, the latest Internet Radio stations like Spotify, I believe the heart of the amplifier remains essentially the same. If you don't have a compelling reason, wait until there's a model for which you do have one. If you have money burning a hole in your pocket, buy another sub, or add an amp and complete a full set of 11 speakers.
post #875 of 1066
Well I did just buy a 3D projector, but I could rig something going around the receiver to the projector to male that work. I will have to look into the 4 sub thing, I missed that and I have 4 HSU subs that currently run off splitters on the 2 channels that the 3007 has.
post #876 of 1066
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Originally Posted by gurkey View Post

What you mean by "need" ?
This interpretation is very subjective because individual needs differ crossly.
As long as the 3007 functions without problems there is no "need" to upgrade objectively.

True, wrong word.... :-) I guess I should have asked if it was w worthwhile upgrade
post #877 of 1066
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Originally Posted by pgodden View Post

Well I did just buy a 3D projector, but I could rig something going around the receiver to the projector to male that work. I will have to look into the 4 sub thing, I missed that and I have 4 HSU subs that currently run off splitters on the 2 channels that the 3007 has.

The 3010 only has two discreet sub outputs, they are actually split internally to create the four plugs on the back. You will still only have two sub channels.

One other thing you get is Neo:X. I personally prefer it over Audyssey DSX.

EDIT: I also forgot to say the heat problem from previous years is gone, but it appears you did not have that problem with your AVR.
Edited by cybrsage - 4/5/13 at 5:44am
post #878 of 1066
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Originally Posted by cybrsage View Post

The 3010 only has two discreet sub outputs, they are actually split internally to create the four plugs on the back. You will still only have two sub channels.

One other thing you get is Neo:X. I personally prefer it over Audyssey DSX.

Thanks Great Info
Edited by pgodden - 4/4/13 at 11:09pm
post #879 of 1066
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Originally Posted by cybrsage View Post


EDIT: I also forgot to say the heat problem from previous years is gone, but it appears you did not have that problem with your AVR.

what "heat problem " are you referring to?

let me know what Onkyo units you have owned where you think the newer one does not have the "heat problem" you speak of....

if you think the "heat problem" is destroying HDMI boards...I will tell you that xx08 are starting to have failed HDMI boards...inclusive of the 5508 preamp that has no internal amps

AFAIK that generation( of AVR's) and the current are the same

Please advise me that you know there have been definite changes

FYI...I have owned several generations of the THX ultra Onkyos( both AVR's and pre/pros)....the newest being a 5009


Warren
post #880 of 1066
I have a TX-NR3010 that in the last 2 weeks has been having some network issues.
1st while i was streaming sirius/xm it will have playback error and i will lose it for 15-45 seconds while it reconnects and buffers (at random)
Now when i want to use my app remote (iPad, droid) the receiver does not show up even after searching several times. I have to turn it on than search again on the app remote. These were not issues for the last few months that i have had it.

everything is hard wired. I have the avr plugged into a switch along with 2 dtv units and 2 blu ray players. the switch is plugged into the router. all the other pieces have no issue getting connected when i can't find the avr with the app remote.

Any body else having/had similar issues and have a fix?
thanks chris
Edited by ntculenuf - 4/7/13 at 6:37pm
post #881 of 1066
OK. My 3010 arrived yesterday. Was planning on waiting for a while, but found a way to get it for more than 700 off MSRP, and that was enough for me to pull the trigger.

Some background -- due to proximity, I have the components for both my master bedroom and my main HT in a Sanus rack that's in a hallway between the 2 rooms. Main HT is 7.2, and Master BR is TV only. In the past, I had tried all sorts of configurations in order to get simultaneous access to all the components in the rack between the 2 rooms, and had never been able to get it to work. So I had most of my components (ps3, 360, HTPC, S3 Tivo) going through an Onkyo 905 to supply the HT, and duplicate components (another HTPC -- that wasn't nearly as powerful as the first -- and another S3 Tivo) wired directly to my master BR TV. So this was (potentially) a major improvement. Also, though I have 2 Harmony 900's (with RF blasters) for the 2 rooms, I was getting way too many keystrokes/ button pushes not going through, and this pissed me off to no end. So, as I have 2 iPads, and ipad Mini, an old iphone 4, and an iphone 5 for control, I got the Roomie App with the HT pack, and really wanted to get that going. Unfortunately, the 905 isn't compatible with IP control from Roomie or the Onkyo iOS app.

So, in short, this could be an incredible option for me.

Anyway, during the 5 hrs that my kids were off at school today, I was able to get down and dirty and change out the rcvrs (while dusting the heck out of the inside of that rack eek.gif). I didn't bother doing Audyssey yet, b/c I wanted to try to tackle these other issues, check that the FW was up-to-date, etc before going through that part of the setup.

Preliminary impressions:

1) It was a little bit tricky getting the zone 2 HDMI working (and operating independently in terms of output) for the master bedroom. All I can say is RTFM (all 168 pages of it). Eventually, I got it going right. Only issue I need to solve at this point is the fact that I was hoping to use my more powerful HTPC for both rooms, but it appears that (if you use Plex, at least), you have to select 2.0 output in order to get sound from the 2nd HDMI port if it's going directly to the TV -- it does no processing of the audio. This means that, every time I would choose using the HTPC in the home theater, I would have to change the settings to 7.1, and every time I use the HTPC for the master BR, I'd have to change it back to 2.0. For that reason alone, I think I'll keep the other HTPC in the rack.

2) For those that may have been worried -- if you set it up right, you can put the rcvr in standby mode and still have full HDMI audio and video in the TV-only room. Just pick your default input for standby mode, and it will go to both zones 1 AND 2 when you put your rcvr in standby. I did a little dance when I got this to work. This means that I won't have to worry about my wife waking up in the morning, turning on the bedroom TV, and having a 'No signal' message in the master BR when she wants to watch TV (b/c the rcvr is off). This is such awesomeness!!

3) Spotify worked pretty well -- even though mine is hardwired, I did get a couple of random buffers in playback. But, otherwise, it worked fine.

4) I will reserve comment on Audyssey until I set it up tomorrow. All I know is that, as of right now, unadjusted, dear lord do I have too much LFE and rear speaker volume.biggrin.gif

5) Getting Roomie to work via IP was a no-sweat easy setup (including using Zone 2 for the master BR)

6) was kinda surprised to see that there's no AC outlet on the back for my fan. Not a big deal at all, though. I think I'll just plug a fan into my UPS and just have it going all the time.

7) I don't really use the amp section as of now -- use it as a pre-pro for my Sunfire amp. So I can't say much about its amp section.

8) The rcvr said that I already had the latest FW -- was a bit surprised to see this...



Anyway, will hopefully be able to say more about the Audyssey implementation tomorrow. But, as of right now, AWESOME purchase for my situation. It is a TRUE multi-room receiver.
Edited by NewOrlnsDukie - 4/9/13 at 9:06pm
post #882 of 1066
OK. Just got done w/ the XT32 setup (couldn't help it wink.gif).

Impressions:

1) as usual, it has my crossovers for all of my speakers at 40Hz. That's fine for my mains and center, which are behemoths, but my surrounds, though also floorstanders, roll off too long before 40Hz to keep this as-is

2) it seems to me that the sub level for XT32 is better and more appropriate than the Audyssey setup on my 905, 875, and 608 are. I don't suddenly have the urge to crank things up.

3) volume level and clarity for dialogue is VASTLY improved w/ the XT32. Can't even adequately express the improvement.

Overall, I'm still incredibly happy.
post #883 of 1066
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Originally Posted by NewOrlnsDukie View Post

OK. Just got done w/ the XT32 setup (couldn't help it wink.gif).

Impressions:

1) as usual, it has my crossovers for all of my speakers at 40Hz. That's fine for my mains and center, which are behemoths, but my surrounds, though also floorstanders, roll off too long before 40Hz to keep this as-is

2) it seems to me that the sub level for XT32 is better and more appropriate than the Audyssey setup on my 905, 875, and 608 are. I don't suddenly have the urge to crank things up.

3) volume level and clarity for dialogue is VASTLY improved w/ the XT32. Can't even adequately express the improvement.

Overall, I'm still incredibly happy.


I would agree that XT32 is a vast improvement over the older multi EQ

I used to have a 905 as well...due to multiple issues Onkyo gave me a 5009 to replace it....smile.gif

question

is there a reason you didnt buy the pre/pro Onkyo 5509 instead?...since you say you dont use the receivers internal amps?
post #884 of 1066
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Originally Posted by turnne1 View Post

I would agree that XT32 is a vast improvement over the older multi EQ

I used to have a 905 as well...due to multiple issues Onkyo gave me a 5009 to replace it....smile.gif

question

is there a reason you didnt buy the pre/pro Onkyo 5509 instead?...since you say you dont use the receivers internal amps?

5509 can't do video output through both HDMI ports simultaneously with 2 different sources, can it?
post #885 of 1066
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Originally Posted by NewOrlnsDukie View Post

5509 can't do video output through both HDMI ports simultaneously with 2 different sources, can it?

dont think so

think you have to use component for the 2nd video output source

though you do get a better set of DAC's( shared with the 50xx receiver) and XLR's...if those make any difference



Warren
post #886 of 1066
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Originally Posted by turnne1 View Post

what "heat problem " are you referring to?

The well known one where everyone complained about them being very hot. My 3010 is no hotter than my Denon 3808, which was pretty cool.
post #887 of 1066
Hey guys, thinking of picking up a 3010 in the near future and wanted to ask a question of those of you who already have one. Have any of you used the Zone 2 macro trick with a Harmony remote in order to use the 12v Zone 2 trigger for amps that run speakers for Zone 1? I plan to use the internal amps on the 3010 to power my front and center speakers, but have an external 7 channel Emotiva for my side, back and front highs that I would like to use that trigger for.
post #888 of 1066
I have not, but I figured I would give you a bump.
post #889 of 1066
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Originally Posted by cybrsage View Post

The well known one where everyone complained about them being very hot. My 3010 is no hotter than my Denon 3808, which was pretty cool.

everyone didnt complain and no one has actually documented the heat differences..if any

I can say that my 5009 does feel hotter to the touch than the Yamaha A2010, Pioneer Sc37..or even my Sherbourn 5/1500A amp

does it matter much to me?..not really

There is far more discussion about Onkyo reliability...that is more the subject that "everyone" is talking about
A subject that has seemed to make longtime Onkyo owners that I remember from years ago on AVS forum, change brands

The other piece that has been documented is that the newer Onkyos don't perform nearly as well in the all channel driven testing as their predecessors did

That is actually more of an issue to me as it makes me question the internal amp changes


Warren
Edited by turnne1 - 4/22/13 at 4:47am
post #890 of 1066
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Originally Posted by kertofer View Post

Hey guys, thinking of picking up a 3010 in the near future and wanted to ask a question of those of you who already have one. Have any of you used the Zone 2 macro trick with a Harmony remote in order to use the 12v Zone 2 trigger for amps that run speakers for Zone 1? I plan to use the internal amps on the 3010 to power my front and center speakers, but have an external 7 channel Emotiva for my side, back and front highs that I would like to use that trigger for.

I have the 3010 and am using zone 3 12 volt trigger to power my adcom and am using a harmony one. I just added a generic onkyo amp and programmed the zone 3 power toggle for its power. Than went back into the review the settings of activity > yes, but want to add more control of options and devices for this activity and added the onkyo amp to turn on/off in the macro of each activity it would be needed for.

I use my 2nd zone for outdoor speakers is why i used zone 3
post #891 of 1066
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Originally Posted by turnne1 View Post

everyone didnt complain and no one has actually documented the heat differences..if any

does it matter much to me?..not really

Obviously does, else you would not continue to fight against what we both know to be true. Look through the Onkyo 3009 thread and count the number of people who added after market coolers to keep the AVRs at a respectable temperature and include all those who complained about the heat. Heck, there was even a running joke around here about using several different levels of Onkyo's as space heaters or to cook meals...
Edited by cybrsage - 4/22/13 at 7:22am
post #892 of 1066
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Originally Posted by cybrsage View Post

Obviously does, else you would not continue to fight against what we both know to be true. Look through the Onkyo 3009 thread and count the number of people who added after market coolers to keep the AVRs at a respectable temperature and include all those who complained about the heat. Heck, there was even a running joke around here about using several different levels of Onkyo's as space heaters or to cook meals...

actually what I question is your lack of being able to quantify what you mean by "heat"...or knowing if there is any difference in the xx09 and xx10 in that regard

I didnt say they did not get hotter..vs other brands....

The FAQ portion of their website and owner's manual speaks to that and has for many years( at least since 2007)..stating " it is normal for the unit to become fairly hot"

to my other points

I have read far more posts complaining about failure of units as opposed to heat from units

so if "everyone" was complaining about heat....what word would you assign to those who have complained about units failing?
The failure rate is more what I keep an eye on

The fact that the newer units dont have the power capability( as tested in several publications) of the older units, speaks to differences as well

A fan on the unit proves nothing...there are many that put a fan on their Pioneer SC units that have ICE amps.


Warren
Edited by turnne1 - 4/22/13 at 10:30am
post #893 of 1066
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Originally Posted by turnne1 View Post

actually what I question is your lack of being able to quantify what you mean by "heat"...or knowing if there is any difference in the xx09 and xx10 in that regard

Ok. lets try again. You have to take into account the topic of which we are speaking in order to understand what is meant by subjective words such as heat issue. If we were talking about the Sun, ALL receivers would be bone chillingly cold in comparison. We are not talking about the Sun, though, we are talking about receivers. As such, a heat issue is any level of heat that is high enough to cause issues during normal operation. So, has Onkyo had any heat issues over the last few years?

Denon 3808's temperature is considered normal for AVRs. No one talked about cooking food on them or heating their homes. There were not a lot of people complaining about HDMI board death due to heat (for example). This means the Denon 3808 had no heat issues.
Onkyo's AVRs for several years had people talking about cooking food on them (fry an egg) or heating their homes. Many people talked about their HDMI boards dying due heat (for example). There are actually threads whose only purpose is to ask if the heat issues have been resolved. This would be an indicator of heat issues.
The current Onkyo AVRs are no hotter than the Denon 3808. So do the current Onkyo AVRs have heat issues? Lets use some basic logic and find out, shall we?

Let:

A = temperature of the Denon 3808 during normal operation
B = temperature of the previous years' Onkyos during normal operation
C = temperature of the current year's Onkyos during normal operation


A < B
A = C

Therefor C < B and B > C


I hope that makes it clearer. It has taken Onkyo quite some time, but it appears they finally solved their heat issues.
post #894 of 1066
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Originally Posted by cybrsage View Post


It has taken Onkyo quite some time, but it appears they finally solved their heat issues.

I went from an RC-180 (TX-NR807) to the TX-NR818, and the 180 was warmer in standby than the 818 while playing a movie at -10! With the 180, I disabled network standby/network control so it would only get hot when in use, and it did get pretty hot. The 818 is cool in standby and just warm in use.
post #895 of 1066
Yeah, it appears this generation is much cooler than previous ones. This is definitely a good thing. smile.gif Due to paranoia, I am running a 120mm Noctua fan ontop of the hottest portion of my 3010 (I have it modified to use an AC-DC converter so it plugs into the wall. I already had the fan, so it cost nothing.
post #896 of 1066
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Originally Posted by cybrsage View Post

Ok. lets try again. You have to take into account the topic of which we are speaking in order to understand what is meant by subjective words such as heat issue. If we were talking about the Sun, ALL receivers would be bone chillingly cold in comparison. We are not talking about the Sun, though, we are talking about receivers. As such, a heat issue is any level of heat that is high enough to cause issues during normal operation. So, has Onkyo had any heat issues over the last few years?

Denon 3808's temperature is considered normal for AVRs. No one talked about cooking food on them or heating their homes. There were not a lot of people complaining about HDMI board death due to heat (for example). This means the Denon 3808 had no heat issues.
Onkyo's AVRs for several years had people talking about cooking food on them (fry an egg) or heating their homes. Many people talked about their HDMI boards dying due heat (for example). There are actually threads whose only purpose is to ask if the heat issues have been resolved. This would be an indicator of heat issues.
The current Onkyo AVRs are no hotter than the Denon 3808. So do the current Onkyo AVRs have heat issues? Lets use some basic logic and find out, shall we?

Let:

A = temperature of the Denon 3808 during normal operation
B = temperature of the previous years' Onkyos during normal operation
C = temperature of the current year's Onkyos during normal operation


A < B
A = C

Therefor C < B and B > C


I hope that makes it clearer. It has taken Onkyo quite some time, but it appears they finally solved their heat issues.

and lets try this again...you make a lot of assumptions

A. No one has any definitive proof that heat caused failure of HDMI boards.....do you have a link to that ?
if you read ALL of the Onkyo threads from several years you would know that the pre/pros( with no amps) also had failures

Those units generate little or no heat

I have had two of them...PRSC885 and a 5508

B. Where did you see the information that the heat generated by the 3808 is considered normal for AVR's?....I would assume that varied by brand as well as model

C. The litmus test should be right around the 2-3 year old mark.....that has been traditionally when failures started to happen in the past 6-7 years....with xx08 models having issues from owners now
I sold one of my 5009's, this past week, to a guy that told me his 3008 was now in the shop having the HDMI board replaced

D. You should not take superlatives used on AVS forum as gospel......some take marketing rhetoric and hearsay to a whole new level....without any proof or experience to justify their statements


do I think Onkyo has had a reliability issue and this has made a dent in their reputation?

I sure do....though it would be nothing but speculation if I guessed the reason for the failures

From my personal experience I have had two HDMI boards replaced in 2 units and Onkyo has completely replaced two other units ....all under warranty. I have gotten my money's worth( and then some) on the extended warranties
Many of the older Onkyo buyers from years back in the Onkyo threads have changed brands recently


There was a time when this thread would have been as busy as the Denon 4520 thread


Warren
Edited by turnne1 - 4/28/13 at 6:05am
post #897 of 1066
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Originally Posted by turnne1 View Post


Warren

I removed the drivel in your post, notice there is very little left. I have suddenly realized I am feeding the troll and will no longer feed you. Sorry, you will have to go elsewhere to claim that water is not wet and get a response.
post #898 of 1066
Onkyo has stopped issuing firmware updates via Ethernet connection due to all the problems that can and have happened with Ethernet updates. You have to download them from Onkyo and update via USB. The instructions on how to update are in the manual. I just updated to the latest version for the 3010 (1060-4103-0100-0000) over USB with no problems. The manual is slightly wrong in what will happen. It said it will say complete and I would need to turn off the AVR from the front panel of the AVR (and NOT the remote). In reality, the AVR turned itself off. When I turned it on, it finished processing the update and I was done.

Firmwares for the US are here: http://us.onkyo.com/Downloads/firmware.php?source=globalnav
Manuals for the US are here: http://us.onkyo.com/Downloads/manuals.php?source=globalnav
Edited by cybrsage - 5/3/13 at 8:22am
post #899 of 1066
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Originally Posted by cybrsage View Post

Onkyo has stopped issuing firmware updates via Ethernet connection due to all the problems that can and have happened with Ethernet updates. You have to download them from Onkyo and update via USB. The instructions on how to update are in the manual. I just updated to the latest version for the 3010 (1060-4103-0100-0000) over USB with no problems. The manual is slightly wrong in what will happen. It said it will say complete and I would need to turn off the AVR from the front panel of the AVR (and NOT the remote). In reality, the AVR turned itself off. When I turned it on, it finished processing the update and I was done.

Firmwares for the US are here: http://us.onkyo.com/Downloads/firmware.php?source=globalnav
Manuals for the US are here: http://us.onkyo.com/Downloads/manuals.php?source=globalnav
I've never had a problem with Ethernet updates, and just did one a couple of weeks ago. What is your source where they state they stopped doing them?
post #900 of 1066
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Originally Posted by balboa dave View Post

I've never had a problem with Ethernet updates, and just did one a couple of weeks ago. What is your source where they state they stopped doing them?

I never had any problem with Ethernet updates either. I got the info from the pdf that went along with the newest update. Also, my AVR did not show this update via the firmware panel, which confirms what they said in the firmware pdf.
Quote:
Information Concerning Firmware Update for Onkyo Network Receivers
Onkyo has discovered there is a possibility of failure when updating receivers to this new firmware
package via ethernet in certain network environments. For this reason, we are now only releasing a
firmware file for installation via USB port / flash memory device.
http://filedepot.onkyousa.com/Files/own_manuals/Firmware_Update_for_the_TXNR3010_5010_4_11_13.pdf?CFID=2493541&CFTOKEN=61040856&jsessionid=f030faa00a3e25a11df052512e74287b1154
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