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Hey all, I have just bought my first proper home cinema system and having a little trouble setting the speakers up.
I have 5x minx m10
X200 sub
Onkyo txnr-609
I am having trouble getting the crossover feq right. I have run the auto setup
And it set the feq as follows
Fronts 150
Centre 150
Rears. 150
Sub lfe 120

Spec for speakers
M10 Frequency Response: 120Hz-20kHz
X200 Crossover: Active – variable 50Hz-200Hz

But it seems to be lacking something:)

Any advise would be gratful
Thanks
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Originally Posted by Lstcktn View Post

I am having trouble getting the crossover feq right. I have run the auto setup
And it set the feq as follows
Fronts 150
Centre 150
Rears. 150

These tiny satellite speakers may be able to handle a subwoofer crossover frequency of 150 Hz at low-moderate volumes, but if you want to play them loudly, then you may need to go as high as 200 Hz. Try it and see whether there is any improvement.
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Originally Posted by Lstcktn View Post

Sub lfe 120

If this is the "LPF of LFE" setting, then I guess 120 Hz is alright. I don't use this sort of filter and have never experienced any issues as a result, though.
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Originally Posted by Lstcktn View Post

Spec for speakers
M10 Frequency Response: 120Hz-20kHz

That's highly unlikely, in my opinion, except perhaps for very low volumes.
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Originally Posted by Lstcktn View Post

X200 Crossover: Active – variable 50Hz-200Hz

Turn off the subwoofer's own filter if possible, or turn it all the way up to 200 Hz if not. Also be sure to locate the subwoofer up front since it will be reproducing some localizable sounds.
Edited by Robert Cook - 6/22/12 at 8:49pm
post #3 of 4
-3db is around 148hz for the sats.

HT Labs

The Min10’s listening-window response (a five-point average of axial and +/–15-degree horizontal and vertical responses) measures +4.82/–3.37 decibels from 200 hertz to 10 kilohertz. An average of axial and +/–15-degree horizontal responses measures +4.36/–3.98 dB from 200 Hz to 10 kHz. The –3-dB point is at 148 Hz, and the –6-dB point is at 134 Hz. Impedance reaches a minimum of 6.27 ohms at 854 Hz and a phase angle of –62.16 degrees at 295 Hz

I would raise the crossover higher.
Edited by zieglj01 - 6/22/12 at 9:25pm
post #4 of 4
Of course there is a LOT missing!

A sub should only be used up to 60 or 80 Hz maximum.

You want front speakers that will go down to at least 60 Hz for proper overall sound, and your current front speakers are totally inadequate. The 2" speaker in those isn't big enough for a decent shirt-pocket radio, let alone front speakers in a sound system. Those things were never intended to be used as front speakers; they should be used only as satellite speakers or a center speaker.

It is patently ridiculous to have 5 speakers and use the subwoofer to produce MONAURAL sound all the way up to 120 Hz or beyond....duhhhh. Doing what you are doing guarantees terrible sound.

I strongly recommend that you get a pair of Cambridge S30 or S20 speakers to use as front speakers. That will solve your problem and make your system sound 200% better.

It should also be pointed out that the X200 is NOT actually a subwoofer; it only goes down to around 45 Hz (-3db), which makes it only an ordinary woofer, NOT a SUBwoofer!

An actual subwoofer is expected to have frequency response down to 30 Hz or lower.





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Originally Posted by Lstcktn View Post

Hey all, I have just bought my first proper home cinema system and having a little trouble setting the speakers up.
I have 5x minx m10
X200 sub
Onkyo txnr-609
I am having trouble getting the crossover feq right. I have run the auto setup
And it set the feq as follows
Fronts 150
Centre 150
Rears. 150
Sub lfe 120
Spec for speakers
M10 Frequency Response: 120Hz-20kHz
X200 Crossover: Active – variable 50Hz-200Hz
But it seems to be lacking something:)
Any advise would be gratful
Thanks

Edited by commsysman - 6/23/12 at 7:10am
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