Originally Posted by Letuch
With 2.2 and good graphs dark areas looked greyish. Perhaps this is what people are referring to as "Now I'm seeing more detail". And I can't say it's a positive thing. If someone would say "I can make out _some_ detail" - that is good shadows. Otherwise it's blown out I think
I'm talking about values between 17-25 in dark clothing and other things not appearing as a sea of solid black, but as discernible detail, though how much is visible is going to depend on how bright the other areas are. When I said "blacks are still inky" in my last message, I wasn't kidding. As for blacks looking gray, you need to be sure you're looking at actual black. For example, space is not always pure black, and in movies like "2001", it frequently is not, and it should not appear pure black, but somewhat gray. The thing you shouldn't see is plasma dithering at normal viewing distance, and you shouldn't see any dithering at all in black, even up close with a magnifying glass.
"2001" has got some good scenes with Dr. Floyd's brown suit in the brightly lit space station, HAL's main control console, the ridged seating inside Discovery, and buttons on Bowman's and Poole's tablets. It should be possible to make out the color of the suit even when he's shot from a distance and some of the details in the other things. I've got a couple dozen examples from other material. One very good one for judging black crush in a high-ish APL scene is from near the end of American Horror Story S02E11, where three women in dark coats are talking inside a dull white mausoleum. It should be possible to make out the buttons and textures in their coats, and it's very difficult to do so when using 2.4 and even BT.1886. (This scene is also a great test for susceptibility to the rainbow effect when moving your eyes around the screen.) For low APL scenes, I have examples from "Gatsby", "Star Trek" (2009), "Harry Potter", "Vikings", "Watchmen", "Tree of Life", "Kuro Experience", etc. Some were mentioned in CNet reviews over the years, and others I collected on my own. Black looks black in all of them, and I only view in a dark room.