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post #121 of 200
7/3/12 at 1:07pm

GPU evaluation may consist of:

 

- Decoder (dual HD video stream, MVC, 4K, etc.)

- Post-processors (typically measured with HQV Benchmark). Intel uses ASICs (application specific IC) + driver, while AMD / NVIDIA is likely to use general-purpose stream processors + drivers. They usually work under EVR (and other video renderers in some cases).

- Good for madVR? madVR has its own post-processing algorithms (i.e. PQ is independent of the graphics card) that are executed in stream processors. Well-edited/encoded videos (usually delivered in optical media) don't need much of post-processing and madVR shines here for several reasons (although it's still in beta stage).

- Miscellaneous aspects such as stereoscopic 3D (i.e. Frame packing) output, 4K output, HDMI audio (88.2kHz? dual audio stream? etc.), refresh rate (how close to 23.976Hz/59.94Hz), black levels (supporting both of full and limited?), intuitive/working GUI, hardware encoder etc.

 

(I have acquired enough knowledge on individual cards to write an article.) As for madVR, there are only two criteria in choosing a graphics card:

 

1. Copy-back / upload speed

2. Rendering engine (stream processors).

 

So simple. smile.gif NVIDIA (GT 430 DDR3-1600 or higher) is the best in both. HD 6570 is also good (except for slow copy-back/upload speed for 1080p60 contents). The latest HD 7750 is fast enough. AMD Llano has the same problem as HD 6570 (and even worse). I expect AMD Trinity is as good as HD 7750. Intel iGPU lacks enough rendering engine. Precisely speaking, they (except for Intel HD 4000) are all good for films, but none of them is good for videos. Intel HD 4000 is good for all contents, except for 760p60.

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post #122 of 200
7/3/12 at 2:55pm
Any Thoughts on these temperatures?

375

420

Note the Max Temp of the Video Card. It is cooler now because it is idle (TV and AVR are off). I am trying to decide whether to stay with the passively cooled card or if I'll see lower temps with the actively cooled card.
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post #123 of 200
7/3/12 at 3:28pm
76C?

Too hot for me. I was about ready to say your temps looked good before I saw that reading.
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post #124 of 200
7/3/12 at 4:14pm
If you saw my post on the previous page I'm a little leary of messing with it to install the active cooled card now due to the loose capaciter on my MoBo right next to the PCIe retainer.

The default overtemp alarm for the card is 100C and the other temps look okay. IDK if the active cooled card is any cooler or not?
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post #125 of 200
7/3/12 at 5:53pm
I just installed my ASUS GT 430 board and ran into a problem. When trying to play a video in MPC-HC I am getting an error message that my video board is incompatible with reclock and says I need to unistall reclock. I'm guessing there is a configuration problem or conflict I need to fix. Any suggestions?
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post #126 of 200
7/3/12 at 6:44pm
Here's my current temps after 2 hours of LiveTV:

677
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post #127 of 200
7/3/12 at 6:47pm
I am not using reclock right now so I don't know.

Should I be using reclock? Everything looks great.
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post #128 of 200
7/3/12 at 8:11pm
I just follow the advanced MPC-HC configuration thread setup which includes reclock. I think it is used for sending a perfect bitstream or something in the application in that thread. Don't know for sure though but got it all working.

I was having all sorts of issues with reclock, video not showing, error message with XBMC starting, etc. Problem turned out to be the driver. I had installed the driver from the included CD and then downloaded the latest from the ASUS web site. The driver I downloaded caused a bunch of problems. Rolled back to the one on the CD and everything is now fine again. Strange. But its working and looking really nice.
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post #129 of 200
7/3/12 at 8:51pm
Just tried the driver update via the ASUS driver update utility and this time it worked perfectly. Maybe a had a corrupt file or some missing bits or something when I downloaded it manually. Odd.
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post #130 of 200
7/4/12 at 5:46am
anleva, what kind of temps are you seeing?
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post #131 of 200
7/4/12 at 5:48am
I used the driver recommended in rene's link below but I think it is the same one. I am also using the ASUS Smart Doctor utility.
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

Which driver?

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Originally Posted by renethx View Post

The latest driver (301.42 right now), that includes everything you need. It should work right out of the box, except that you have to create your own "23Hz" if you want a refresh rate closer to 23.976Hz.
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post #132 of 200
7/4/12 at 6:12am
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Originally Posted by kesawi View Post

Have been looking at this card myself as the fanless version isn't available here in Australia. Most reviews I've found tend to indicate it's quiet enough for HTPC use but I haven't been able to find any reviews or feedback focused on its acoustic performance.
It would be overkill for a non-gaming HTPC, but I have a Gigabyte GTX 670 OC in my gaming rig and it's super quiet with excellent power consumption smile.gif

Here's some information on the active cooled card for comparison.
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Originally Posted by hardwarecanucks 
Considering the size of this card’s heatsink, the temperatures aren’t all that bad but there were some issues with the way it achieves reasonable thermal performance. ASUS fitted their card with small fan that is relatively quiet at idle and minor loads but when gaming, things get a bit too loud for our liking. Luckily though, the light loads encountered when playing back a Blu Ray or watching a Youtube video don’t push fan speeds all that high so we can’t really complain all that much.

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/36968-asus-geforce-gt-430-1gb-review-18.html

Also the temps are comparable to the passively cooled card:

387

Note these are tested at an ambient temp of 22C. My ambient is much higher than that, maybe 40C to 50C.
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post #133 of 200
7/4/12 at 8:34am
Sammy, yeah I used that same driver and had problems with it initially. As I said I rolled back to the earlier driver and then later updated through the update utility and did not have an issue the second time.

I'll check temp later. Neat utility you are using, just downloaded it and I'll run it while watching a movie.
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post #134 of 200
7/4/12 at 8:45am
I am having a problem creating a custom resolution with the the nvidia control panel.

I am able to create a custom resolution and change all the timing parameters. I change the display mode refresh rate (as reported by windows) to 23 and adjust all the timing manually to the refresh rates and total pixels/lines suggested in this thread. It then asks me to test it, it passes the test, and I save it as a 23hz custom resolution. Then when I go back to look at it or edit it it has changed the 'display mode refresh rate (as reported by windows)' back to 24 hz and put all my custom, manual timings back to automatic and their default values.

So it never sticks as a custom resolution with all the parameters I changed.

When I try to delete it, as it isn't what I want, is never deletes so to get back to my defaults I need to do a clean reinstall of the drivers to remove the custom resolution.

Is this a bug in the nvidia control panel? Maybe a permissions issue of some sorts? Any ideas how to work around it?

With the defaults my display is refreshing at 23.97233 for a 23.976 movie. So stats suggests I'll drop a frame every 4-5 minutes. Not that big of a deal, but it would be nice to dial in a custom resolution but I don't seem to be able to with a buggy nvidia control panel.
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post #135 of 200
7/4/12 at 8:48am
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Originally Posted by anleva View Post

Sammy, yeah I used that same driver and had problems with it initially. As I said I rolled back to the earlier driver and then later updated through the update utility and did not have an issue the second time.
I'll check temp later. Neat utility you are using, just downloaded it and I'll run it while watching a movie.

The ASUS utility does it too and you can overclock and/or set a temperature alarm with it too.
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post #136 of 200
7/4/12 at 8:50am
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Originally Posted by anleva View Post

I am having a problem creating a custom resolution with the the nvidia control panel.
I am able to create a custom resolution and change all the timing parameters. I change the display mode refresh rate (as reported by windows) to 23 and adjust all the timing manually to the refresh rates and total pixels/lines suggested in this thread. It then asks me to test it, it passes the test, and I save it as a 23hz custom resolution. Then when I go back to look at it or edit it it has changed the 'display mode refresh rate (as reported by windows)' back to 24 hz and put all my custom, manual timings back to automatic and their default values.
So it never sticks as a custom resolution with all the parameters I changed.
When I try to delete it, as it isn't what I want, is never deletes so to get back to my defaults I need to do a clean reinstall of the drivers to remove the custom resolution.
Is this a bug in the nvidia control panel? Maybe a permissions issue of some sorts? Any ideas how to work around it?
With the defaults my display is refreshing at 23.97233 for a 23.976 movie. So stats suggests I'll drop a frame every 4-5 minutes. Not that big of a deal, but it would be nice to dial in a custom resolution but I don't seem to be able to with a buggy nvidia control panel.

I set up a custom one as 23Hz and it saved it as 24Hz. So there's two 24Hz.

I'm getting 23.9757 or so .

Do you have a 1080p23 set in MadVR?
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post #137 of 200
7/4/12 at 9:02am
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

I set up a custom one as 23Hz and it saved it as 24Hz. So there's two 24Hz.
I'm getting 23.9757 or so .
Do you have a 1080p23 set in MadVR?

Please explain the steps you took to 'set up a custom one as 23Hz and it saved it as 24Hz'.

When you go back to edit that custom resolution does it show the custom timings you created or did it go back to 'automatic' and the defaults?

Yes I do have a 1080p23 set in madVR
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post #138 of 200
7/4/12 at 9:56am
Try this.
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post #139 of 200
7/4/12 at 10:03am
Sammy that is exactly what I have been doing. The steps to create the custom profile is not the issue. The issue is the changes are not sticking. That's what I'm trying to troubleshoot.

I create a custom profile for 23 hz. I also created one for 24 hz as well. I have no problem going in and editing everything. I set up all my timings manually. Then nvidia control panel requires a test, it passes, and then I save it.

The problem is the timings don't stick. Do they stick for you? When you go back to edit them are the timings you entered still there along with 'manual' mode? For me they are reverting back to timings I did not enter and changing back to 'automatic' mode.

When I go back to edit either the 23 or 24 hz custom profile the timings are gone and 'automatic' is pre selected along with different timings than I put in. For example, I could enter and save a custom timing of 23.976. When I return to it has changed to 23hz and back to 'automatic'. So nothing is sticking and I have no idea why.

Select one of your custom resolutions, click on edit, and what appears for you?
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post #140 of 200
7/4/12 at 10:23am
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Originally Posted by anleva View Post

Sammy that is exactly what I have been doing. The steps to create the custom profile is not the issue. The issue is the changes are not sticking. That's what I'm trying to troubleshoot.

This may be a silly question, but are you using an account with administrator privileges to make the changes?
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post #141 of 200
7/4/12 at 10:28am
A picture is worth a thousand words.

Here is an example of what I have done to create a custom resolution.

561

I test it, it passes, and I save it. When I go in and play a 23.976 movie in madVR (it selects the custom resolution) it is playing at 23 hz, nowhere close to the 23.976 I entered as a custom resolution.

When I go back in to edit my 23hz custom resolution, here is what I see:

548

nvidia has changed my custom resolution setting to automatic and 23 hz. This happens everytime. I edit the custom resolution to what I want and save it and when I go back to look at it or edit it it has been changed back to automatic and 23 hz. I'm stumped as to why.
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post #142 of 200
7/4/12 at 10:31am
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Originally Posted by Puwaha View Post

This may be a silly question, but are you using an account with administrator privileges to make the changes?

Not a silly question at all. I was thinking that could be the problem. My user name is set up in the administrator group. I even switched users to administrator and tried to make the same changes as administrator and achieved the same result. I'm thinking the registry isn't being updated properly so that it knows the custom resolution is 'manual' and keeps the settings. I'm wondering if it is just happening to me or a broader issue. Could be some silly configuration setting or switch somewhere that is not properly set. I'm not sure why.
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post #143 of 200
7/4/12 at 12:39pm
Mine's not sticking either. And my TV doesn't support it. IDK what I did before. I thought it passed. I'll need to test another file later..

How's your temps?
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post #144 of 200
7/4/12 at 12:48pm
To the new Madvr users: are you noticing an amazing dramatically improved picture? Is it worth all this trouble? I am following this thread closely and quite frankly its painful.

I have been through all this before trying to find the difference and I failed to see much. But I am very interested in your experiences.
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post #145 of 200
7/4/12 at 12:55pm
Most definitely for the 720p29 content I was having issues with.

Also deeper blacks and more detailed colorspace but that could be the NVidia card itself.
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post #146 of 200
7/4/12 at 12:57pm
Temps running about 60 ~ 65 C now.
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post #147 of 200
7/4/12 at 1:02pm
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

Most definitely for the 720p29 content I was having issues with.
Also deeper blacks and more detailed colorspace but that could be the NVidia card itself.

What's an example 720p29 that you have issues with? I haven't noticed any issues with anything at all in my entire library.
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post #148 of 200
7/4/12 at 1:13pm
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1417683/madvr-intel-igp-and-ram-speed/90#post_22184325
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post #149 of 200
7/4/12 at 2:05pm
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

Mine's not sticking either. And my TV doesn't support it. IDK what I did before. I thought it passed. I'll need to test another file later..
How's your temps?

Interesting. Sounds like there may be bug in the nvidia control panel for setting custom resolutions. Just a bit of googling and I saw some threads with others talking about something similar so maybe custom resolutions is currently broken. Not that big of a deal though as the default refresh comes pretty close and no glitches are noticeable.

Downloaded the hardware monitor app you were using and watched a 24p movie for 15 minutes and then checked the numbers.

GPU (min - max) was 45 - 65 and it looked to be staying in the lower 60's

CPU (min-max) was 45 - 55 and stayed in the low 50's

I imagine a more GPU intensive video will bring those up.
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post #150 of 200
7/4/12 at 2:10pm
It seems LiveTV is higher than high bit rate mkv's. My CPU is lower, 25. PCH is 47. GPU is higher.. mid 60's mkv and mid 70's LiveTV. My case doesn't have much ventilation. I may stick that squirrel cage slot fan back in but it is loud. Thing is that I'm still under the default 100C alarm setting. Maybe I shouldn't worry so much.
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