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post #151 of 264
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Originally Posted by EndeaverouX View Post

Listen, you are wrong with all due respect...it is not false advertisement....

this tv does have a native 2560x1080 resolution.

That is technially true but the manual did imply that TV will accept 2560x1080 resolution from a computer which turned out not to be the case as rogershomework found out.

Just as the manual mentions several viewing modes that also didn't turn out to be true.

The overall impression is that the firmware in our TV is half-baked and merely tweaked version of 16:9 TV and not truly "native."
post #152 of 264
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Originally Posted by Apostate View Post

That is technially true but the manual did imply that TV will accept 2560x1080 resolution from a computer which turned out not to be the case as rogershomework found out.

Just as the manual mentions several viewing modes that also didn't turn out to be true.

The overall impression is that the firmware in our TV is half-baked and merely tweaked version of 16:9 TV and not truly "native."

Well, when it comes down to it, I dont see any other 21:9 TV out there, vizio is the only one i know that has actually sold them so far...I know smasung, lg, and philips all came out with prototypes....I guess you should feel greatful....lol...

just accept it, you are one of the early adopters...it comes with the territory......

as far as accepting 2560x1080 from your computer, does you computer graphics or gpu even support and output 2560x1080? what kinda cable are you using from your computer? HDMI? DVI? VGA?

you cant blame everything on Vizio....there a lot of variables here my friend....I'm a software engineer and IT specialist....there is a lot of loop holes here....I can try to help you if you want brotha.....
post #153 of 264
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Originally Posted by EndeaverouX View Post

as far as accepting 2560x1080 from your computer, does you computer graphics or gpu even support and output 2560x1080? what kinda cable are you using from your computer? HDMI? DVI? VGA?

you cant blame everything on Vizio....there a lot of variables here my friend....I'm a software engineer and IT specialist....there is a lot of loop holes here....I can try to help you if you want brotha.....

It was rogershomework who was trying to hook up his computer. I think he returned his or at least that's what he implied in his posts.

I am perfectly okay with my Cinemawide. smile.gif
post #154 of 264
^^^ Me too! smile.gif
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Originally Posted by endeavorouX 
so by your logic, why even have a 16:9 tv? why not have a huge 4:3 old tv set, after all those black bars on the 4:3 never bothered anyone, right??? NOT.....remmber those days?

why do you think they came out with 16:9 tvs , so we could get the bars off those 4:3 tvs...

Have you been to my place? I have a 16:9 (LCD) and a 4:3 set (27" CRT Sony) in the same room with the XVT. Being a cinephile ain't for sissies. wink.gif

A few more random observations from my time with the XVT over the past few weeks:

-PIP doesn't work when watching an app connected to the internet. When watching Amazon Prime, for example, the PIP/POP option is grayed out.

-Found one foreign-language movie that's 2:35:1 (Truffaut's "Antoine and Colette" on Criterion DVD) with subtitles that fell slightly outside the framed-screen and, thus, had the bottom half of the captions cut-off. This proves (a) the placement of the subtitles is encoded into the discs and (b) if they were placed by the captioners in the black bars of the frame then we're SOL.

-If you're an HBO subscriber and your cable/satellite system supports it there's 3D movies on HBO On Demand. Problem is HBO always frames 2:35:1 movies down to 1:78:1, so stuff like "Rio 3D" that is properly framed on the 3D Blu-ray are cut-off in HBO. With Cameron doing likewise for "Avatar" and "Titanic" on Blu-ray though, can you blame HBO? frown.gif
post #155 of 264
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Originally Posted by OconRecon View Post

Have mine hung and running. I'm in the club. smile.gif
Good for you, but what about the TV? (rimshot) tongue.gif
post #156 of 264
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Originally Posted by EndeaverouX View Post

Well, when it comes down to it, I dont see any other 21:9 TV out there, vizio is the only one i know that has actually sold them so far...I know smasung, lg, and philips all came out with prototypes....I guess you should feel greatful....lol...

just accept it, you are one of the early adopters...it comes with the territory......

as far as accepting 2560x1080 from your computer, does you computer graphics or gpu even support and output 2560x1080? what kinda cable are you using from your computer? HDMI? DVI? VGA?

you cant blame everything on Vizio....there a lot of variables here my friend....I'm a software engineer and IT specialist....there is a lot of loop holes here....I can try to help you if you want brotha.....

I made a point of having Rogershomework check those variables when he was having trouble with his. He used a GTX 680 and tried both HDMI 1.4 and VGA, neither of which got 2560x1080 working.
post #157 of 264
OK, here is some info on this TV, and the "21:9" aspect ratio in general.

I got this TV over Christmas, and I'm overall happy with it. The wide aspect ratio is so much better, visually, as all content is displayed at the same height, with varying pillarbox bars on the side. It gives a more even visual impression of different content. This is similar to movie theaters, which only use caching curtains at the sides, but always use the full height of the screen.

For the size obsessed, it shows 16:9 content as on a 46" 16:9 screen, and 4:3 content as on a 37" 4:3 CRT, but it shows 21:9 content as big as on a 61" 16:9 screen, alas without the obnoxious height of such screens.

The passive 3D is also great, I find it superior in all points, and the only technical shortcoming (the half vertical resolution) really does not affect the image quality significantly.

The main drawbacks for me are the atrocious viewing angle issues (the black level goes up and the contrast goes down, and darker grays get a greenish hue at just a few degrees off angle) and the lack of a complete set of fixed aspect ratio control setting. But these are issues with just this set, and this is not discounting 21:9 as a concept in general.

As others have noticed, this TV does not accept the panel's native resolution of 2560x1080 at any of its inputs. This is due to the fact the input line buffer size of the scalers in this DTV chipset is only 2048 pixel wide, so there will be no firmware update possible to fix this.

This is regrettable, but not too big of a deal with regards to movie content. Hollywood, via the DCI, will not shoot themselves in the foot by releasing movies to consumers that have a higher resolution than most digital cinemas. They are absolutely unwilling to release anything into the home markes with more than 2048 pixels width. I don't know how this will change in the next few years with the rise of 4K sets, and the demand for native 4K content, but so far no dice for a Blu-ray extension for 2560x1080.

However, what is in realm of the possible is anamorphic 1080p, where a 2.39:1 movie would fill all 1080 lines without bars. This will look stretched on 16:9 screens, but a 21:9 would only have to upscale horizontally, and leave the vertial scaling native.

The HDMI standard is already in the process of being updated to support both, a native 2560x1080p resolution and anamorphic 21:9 in 1920x1080p frames. I don't know what is being done in this regard for Blu-ray, but this would allow a streaming player to send anamorphic or native 21:9 content to a TV. I believe that it should be possible to "teach" this TV the anamorphic modes, as it only involves different meta data signaling with standard 1080p timings. This extension of the HDMI standard will also allow to signal 21:9 letterboxed content in a 16:9 frame. (Where "21:9" is a marketing simplification, it's actually 64:27, or 4:3 cubed. (16:9 is 4:3 squared)).

For now, the "automatic" aspect ratio function of this TV is an acceptable compromise. It does not rely on any signaling by the source to tell it whether the image is full frame (1.78:1 and 1.85:1) or letterboxed (2.39:1). It mostly gets it right, taking a couple seconds to detect and crop bars, and switching almost immediately back to 16:9. It does not detect 1:85:1 content and displays it with the slight letterbox bars that are encoded on the blu-ray.

I would like to have a few more forced aspect ratio modes. There are none to force the upscaling of the 1920x810 letterboxed section of a 1080p signal to the full screen, or to force 480i content to be 4:3 full frame or letterboxed. I have the european 50" Philips 21:9 model at work (maximum size to fit my cubicle...), and that one features all of those settings, and a few more. Too bad that TPVision appears to have dropped this aspect ratio, after cranking out several models over the last three years on the other side of the pond.

As for Blu-rays that have the subtitles outside of the active picture, that is the fault of the Blu-ray producers. E.g. Sony is a regular violator. Solution: Get an Oppo or Dune Blu-ray player, they allow to offset the subtiles vertically, shifting them back into the picture.

Would be great if a 21:9 plasma becomes available some time in the near future, but seeing how much of a niche product this turns out to be, I don't have much hope.
post #158 of 264
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Originally Posted by EndeaverouX View Post


as far as accepting 2560x1080 from your computer, does you computer graphics or gpu even support and output 2560x1080? what kinda cable are you using from your computer? HDMI? DVI? VGA?

Yes, my video card fully supports it. I also tried all of those cables.

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Originally Posted by EndeaverouX View Post

you cant blame everything on Vizio....there a lot of variables here my friend....I'm a software engineer and IT specialist....there is a lot of loop holes here....I can try to help you if you want brotha.....

Yes, I can fully blame Vizio. The manual states you simply need to hook up a VGA cable and set your computer to 2560x1080. Due to the signal the TV is sending to the computer (that the TV is only capable of 1920x1080), it is not possible unless you force it, which also doesn't work. I spent over 10 hours with 5 different computers and 20 different cables/connections to try to get it to work. I literally tried every possible connection type with every possible input on many different computers. There is literally no way the TV will display a native 2560x1080 signal. I am not a noob when it comes to this type of stuff. I am also work in IT and have a pretty good knowledge on how almost all of this stuff works and what their limits are. Believe me, I really wanted it to work.

Vizio support reps that I spoke with have also said that it is not possible to do even though it's stated in the manual that it is. So yes, this would be false advertising. For $1,000 you can go buy a far superior plasma or LCD TV that wasn't rushed to market and has a way higher quality panel. The panel they used is one of the worst I've ever seen in recent years. Terrible viewing angles, color accuracy and contrast ratio.

Also......typing.........like this.........is really..........annoying.
Edited by rogershomework - 1/13/13 at 12:29am
post #159 of 264
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Originally Posted by Apostate View Post

That is technially true but the manual did imply that TV will accept 2560x1080 resolution from a computer which turned out not to be the case as rogershomework found out.

Just as the manual mentions several viewing modes that also didn't turn out to be true.

The overall impression is that the firmware in our TV is half-baked and merely tweaked version of 16:9 TV and not truly "native."

im sorry to hear that, thats real shame...any other 21:9 hdtv out there selling? or is this vizio the only one?
post #160 of 264
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Originally Posted by 0utf0xZer0 View Post

I made a point of having Rogershomework check those variables when he was having trouble with his. He used a GTX 680 and tried both HDMI 1.4 and VGA, neither of which got 2560x1080 working.

the new 1.4 hdmi cables even support 4k resolution, so you can eliminate that factor....
post #161 of 264
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Originally Posted by rogershomework View Post

Yes, my video card fully supports it. I also tried all of those cables.
Yes, I can fully blame Vizio. The manual states you simply need to hook up a VGA cable and set your computer to 2560x1080. Due to the signal the TV is sending to the computer (that the TV is only capable of 1920x1080), it is not possible unless you force it, which also doesn't work. I spent over 10 hours with 5 different computers and 20 different cables/connections to try to get it to work. I literally tried every possible connection type with every possible input on many different computers. There is literally no way the TV will display a native 2560x1080 signal. I am not a noob when it comes to this type of stuff. I am also work in IT and have a pretty good knowledge on how almost all of this stuff works and what their limits are. Believe me, I really wanted it to work.

Vizio support reps that I spoke with have also said that it is not possible to do even though it's stated in the manual that it is. So yes, this would be false advertising. For $1,000 you can go buy a far superior plasma or LCD TV that wasn't rushed to market and has a way higher quality panel. The panel they used is one of the worst I've ever seen in recent years. Terrible viewing angles, color accuracy and contrast ratio.

Also......typing.........like this.........is really..........annoying.

hey man, I just trying to help....you dont have to be beligirent....we are all here in the same boat...trying to help each other out....

i believe I was very courteous with you...I expect that same.....

and let...me....type...the...way....i want.....lol....get over it.... biggrin.gif
post #162 of 264
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Originally Posted by scarabaeus View Post

OK, here is some info on this TV, and the "21:9" aspect ratio in general.

I got this TV over Christmas, and I'm overall happy with it. The wide aspect ratio is so much better, visually, as all content is displayed at the same height, with varying pillarbox bars on the side. It gives a more even visual impression of different content. This is similar to movie theaters, which only use caching curtains at the sides, but always use the full height of the screen.

For the size obsessed, it shows 16:9 content as on a 46" 16:9 screen, and 4:3 content as on a 37" 4:3 CRT, but it shows 21:9 content as big as on a 61" 16:9 screen, alas without the obnoxious height of such screens.

The passive 3D is also great, I find it superior in all points, and the only technical shortcoming (the half vertical resolution) really does not affect the image quality significantly.

The main drawbacks for me are the atrocious viewing angle issues (the black level goes up and the contrast goes down, and darker grays get a greenish hue at just a few degrees off angle) and the lack of a complete set of fixed aspect ratio control setting. But these are issues with just this set, and this is not discounting 21:9 as a concept in general.

As others have noticed, this TV does not accept the panel's native resolution of 2560x1080 at any of its inputs. This is due to the fact the input line buffer size of the scalers in this DTV chipset is only 2048 pixel wide, so there will be no firmware update possible to fix this.

This is regrettable, but not too big of a deal with regards to movie content. Hollywood, via the DCI, will not shoot themselves in the foot by releasing movies to consumers that have a higher resolution than most digital cinemas. They are absolutely unwilling to release anything into the home markes with more than 2048 pixels width. I don't know how this will change in the next few years with the rise of 4K sets, and the demand for native 4K content, but so far no dice for a Blu-ray extension for 2560x1080.

However, what is in realm of the possible is anamorphic 1080p, where a 2.39:1 movie would fill all 1080 lines without bars. This will look stretched on 16:9 screens, but a 21:9 would only have to upscale horizontally, and leave the vertial scaling native.

The HDMI standard is already in the process of being updated to support both, a native 2560x1080p resolution and anamorphic 21:9 in 1920x1080p frames. I don't know what is being done in this regard for Blu-ray, but this would allow a streaming player to send anamorphic or native 21:9 content to a TV. I believe that it should be possible to "teach" this TV the anamorphic modes, as it only involves different meta data signaling with standard 1080p timings. This extension of the HDMI standard will also allow to signal 21:9 letterboxed content in a 16:9 frame. (Where "21:9" is a marketing simplification, it's actually 64:27, or 4:3 cubed. (16:9 is 4:3 squared)).

For now, the "automatic" aspect ratio function of this TV is an acceptable compromise. It does not rely on any signaling by the source to tell it whether the image is full frame (1.78:1 and 1.85:1) or letterboxed (2.39:1). It mostly gets it right, taking a couple seconds to detect and crop bars, and switching almost immediately back to 16:9. It does not detect 1:85:1 content and displays it with the slight letterbox bars that are encoded on the blu-ray.

I would like to have a few more forced aspect ratio modes. There are none to force the upscaling of the 1920x810 letterboxed section of a 1080p signal to the full screen, or to force 480i content to be 4:3 full frame or letterboxed. I have the european 50" Philips 21:9 model at work (maximum size to fit my cubicle...), and that one features all of those settings, and a few more. Too bad that TPVision appears to have dropped this aspect ratio, after cranking out several models over the last three years on the other side of the pond.

As for Blu-rays that have the subtitles outside of the active picture, that is the fault of the Blu-ray producers. E.g. Sony is a regular violator. Solution: Get an Oppo or Dune Blu-ray player, they allow to offset the subtiles vertically, shifting them back into the picture.

Would be great if a 21:9 plasma becomes available some time in the near future, but seeing how much of a niche product this turns out to be, I don't have much hope.

all i can say is this...early adopters suffer...that's the nature of the beast....untill there is another 21:9 HDTV out there for sale...you are stuck with vizio...

at least vizio had enough balls to come out with one for sale....
post #163 of 264
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Originally Posted by EndeaverouX View Post

hey man, I just trying to help....you dont have to be beligirent....we are all here in the same boat...trying to help each other out....

i believe I was very courteous with you...I expect that same.....

and let...me....type...the...way....i want.....lol....get over it.... biggrin.gif

You could at least try to use proper grammar and not quadruple post. Seems to me like you are just trying to blame the users. If you read in the earlier post, you would of seen that we have already tried pretty much everything to get it to work without success.

Also, Phillips released four 21x9 models in 2009. I don't think they ever came to the US, but they recently cancelled production.

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1346136568

The demand just isn't there and Vizio is probably now realizing it like Phillips and discounting/discontinuing this model as well.
post #164 of 264
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Originally Posted by rogershomework View Post

You could at least try to use proper grammar and not quadruple post. Seems to me like you are just trying to blame the users. If you read in the earlier post, you would of seen that we have already tried pretty much everything to get it to work without success.

Also, Phillips released four 21x9 models in 2009. I don't think they ever came to the US, but they recently cancelled production.

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1346136568

The demand just isn't there and Vizio is probably now realizing it like Phillips and discounting/discontinuing this model as well.

I know its a shame...I knew that phillips canned the whole thing recently.

I would buy a 21:9 tv...but I need blurays to be encoded properly to 21:9 specs..... no 21:9 2560X1080 content out there..

I dont wanna go back to the days of streching and zooming in...I want every single pixel to be displayed natively..... wink.gif
post #165 of 264

Has anyone seen (or think they ever will see rolleyes.gif) the larger size of this model for sale anywhere?  I mean, if they had all intentions to release the larger size anyway, i would like to fantasize that they were at least made and are sitting around somewhere, waiting to be sold (FOR FIRE SALE PRICES - WOO HOO!!).

post #166 of 264
^^^ At the just-concluded CES Show Vizio was mum (not displaying last year's or new prototypes, not answering questions) on the 72" model that was supposed to come after the 58". So, unless Vizio plans a stealth launch (i.e. release manufactured models, assuming the 72" even went that far), I don't think we'll see another 21:9 set from Vizio. It's the 58" Vizio out now for a thousand bucks (not worth more than that) or bust.
post #167 of 264
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Originally Posted by dad1153 View Post

^^^ At the just-concluded CES Show Vizio was mum (not displaying last year's or new prototypes, not answering questions) on the 72" model that was supposed to come after the 58". So, unless Vizio plans a stealth launch (i.e. release manufactured models, assuming the 72" even went that far), I don't think we'll see another 21:9 set from Vizio. It's the 58" Vizio out now for a thousand bucks (not worth more than that) or bust.

+1
Considering that 58" had an estimated initial price of $3500 but didn't really sell until $1000 mark, I can only assume Vizio figures 21:9 displays are not a money-making proposition.
post #168 of 264
And really, who better to judge the worth of a 21:9 widescreed LED TV than the discriminating cinephiles perusing through the Costco aisles? biggrin.gif Joke's on me though, because when I walked into a Costco and saw the XVT my cinephile eyes were drawn to it and I ended up buying one. smile.gif
post #169 of 264
I have had this display for a little over a month now and its still a love it and hate it affair. Still for cinema scope material nothing beats it. So far its a keeper but I am still keeping my eyes peeled for something else and still have another month to decide. With recent price drops I have seen some screaming deals on TV's that are technically far superior and not that much more expensive. Of coarse they are not 21:9 of coarse wink.gif

Overall PQ is pretty good and the scaling of cinema scope material to 21:9 seems to have little affect on overall PQ. I don't think it really scales but merely cuts off the black bands. If you look at the same movie on a conventional 16:9 set you get the same amount of detail in the actual image. Only difference is this Vizio model eliminates the black bands.

So far most movies play fine. However I watched an older Godzilla movie on DVD that was 2.35:1 anamorphic (Toho Scope..LOL) but for some darn reason it wanted to play it in 16:9 letter boxed. For some odd reason changing the resolution to 1080i or 480P on the DVD player made it display properly. However 480i, 720P and 1080P would not expand properly. Not sure if this was a hand shake issue when the DVD player was turned on along with the TV. I will have to experiment with it later. I would not be surprised if some DVD's will not properly fill the display perhaps because of video noise.

Also I am still getting some random drop outs. It can very from 2 or 3 during a movie to watching several movies and not having a single drop out. Seems pretty random. So far it has not scared me into returning it but if I see a few more or if it gets worse I might consider it. Also had a few movies here and there that briefly collapsed the 21:9 image to 16:9 letter boxed but every time it always comes back. Could be some poor data on the disc or perhaps increased noise causing that problem.

Damn...I would love to see the 71 or 72 inch version of this display. To me it would offer the best of both worlds. Seems like a very unlikely possibility though. I also heard they were considering a 50 inch version as well. I think I even read a review on the internet of a 50 inch version but it must have only been a prototype or perhaps it was just the 58 inch version actually be reviewed all a long.
post #170 of 264
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Originally Posted by dad1153 View Post

And really, who better to judge the worth of a 21:9 widescreed LED TV than the discriminating cinephiles perusing through the Costco aisles? biggrin.gif Joke's on me though, because when I walked into a Costco and saw the XVT my cinephile eyes were drawn to it and I ended up buying one. smile.gif

so now this tv is only $1000, so how much did you actually spend for this TV originally at COSTCO?
post #171 of 264
Just got done watching Samsara on Blu-ray on this set. I can now say that if you own this TV, you HAVE TO buy this Blu-ray. Since it was shot in 21x9, it looks stellar on this model (auto-crops). It was originally shot at 8K resolution and remastered at 4K. It also makes this set look like a $2,500 TV. Every scene is reference quality. No other blu-ray comes even remotely close to this. Baraka is supposed to be close, but I haven't watched that yet.

Overall its still a very good documentary and makes you think. Almost makes me not want to return this TV.......almost. It's currently going for $25 via amazon, but after watching it I'd say its easily worth $40.

I bet if they put up a display of this model with Samsara on a continuous loop, these TV's would be flying off the shelves.

Here is the link to the Blu-ray.com review:
http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Samsara-Blu-ray/51257/#Review
Edited by rogershomework - 1/16/13 at 10:45pm
post #172 of 264
Well, after 6 weeks of moderate use, my Cinemawide seemed to have settled down video-wise. I have not experienced any dropouts for a while. Unfortunately, I am still experiencing infrequent audio dropouts. The audio fades out and comes back on. The audio dropouts are quickly over but still noticeable.

I didn't believe in electronics needing "break-in" period but I don't know how else to describe it with Cinemawide.

P.s. Very good to excellent 3D on this TV. My kids and I were watching IMAX Under the Sea 3D and the famous cod fish scene was unreal. It really looked like the fish was coming out of the TV. My baby girl stuck her hand out as if to touch the fish.
post #173 of 264
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Originally Posted by rogershomework View Post

Just got done watching Samsara on Blu-ray on this set. I can now say that if you own this TV, you HAVE TO buy this Blu-ray. Since it was shot in 21x9, it looks stellar on this model (auto-crops). It was originally shot at 8K resolution and remastered at 4K. It also makes this set look like a $2,500 TV. Every scene is reference quality. No other blu-ray comes even remotely close to this. Baraka is supposed to be close, but I haven't watched that yet.

Overall its still a very good documentary and makes you think. Almost makes me not want to return this TV.......almost. It's currently going for $25 via amazon, but after watching it I'd say its easily worth $40.

I bet if they put up a display of this model with Samsara on a continuous loop, these TV's would be flying off the shelves.

Here is the link to the Blu-ray.com review:
http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Samsara-Blu-ray/51257/#Review

I am sure the movie looks amazing...but that does not dispute the fact that it still zoomed and scaled content..there is no Bluray Disc out there truly encoded in native 21:9 2560x1080 resolution that matches this tv pixel for pixel....

I dont care if this movie was shot in 8k or 4k...todays bluray will roughly display a 2k image....

just wanna clear that up.... wink.gif
post #174 of 264
I just want to point out that this TV is not capable of displaying anything at 21:9 2560x1080 so it's complete fail either way.

Technically the movie was scanned at much higher resolution and shrank down to 1920x1080, than the TV stretches/crops that across 2560x1080 pixels. So this movie is as close as you are going to get.
Edited by rogershomework - 1/18/13 at 12:22am
post #175 of 264
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Originally Posted by rogershomework View Post

I just want to point out that this TV is not capable of displaying anything at 21:9 2560x1080 so it's complete fail either way.

Technically the movie was scanned at much higher resolution and shrank down to 1920x1080, than the TV stretches/crops that across 2560x1080 pixels. So this movie is as close as you are going to get.

Thats right...1920x1080 is all we can get now...until they make higher resolution Bluray Discs....couldnt have said it better brotha.... wink.gif
post #176 of 264
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Originally Posted by EndeaverouX View Post

so now this tv is only $1000, so how much did you actually spend for this TV originally at COSTCO?

When I first saw it it was $1,499. By the time I was ready to buy it had dropped to a grand (plus taxes and $99 shipping) so that's what I bought it for. Whatever shortcomings it has (and it has some) $1,000 seems like a fairly good price for a one-of-a-kind TV. Last night I saw my Criterion DVD of Jean-Luc Godard's "Contempt" and (a) Brigitte Bardot's naked derriere had never looked better (as in 'it filled the entire screen' biggrin.gif) plus (b) for a DVD transfer that's almost a decade old it looked pretty damn good and colorful. So far all the scope DVD's I've watched on the XVT have looked no better or worse than on my 16:9 HDTV, which means the XVT can also make SD 2:35:1 look great (though of course high-def and 3D is where it shines best).
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Originally Posted by rogershomework View Post

Just got done watching Samsara on Blu-ray on this set. I can now say that if you own this TV, you HAVE TO buy this Blu-ray. Since it was shot in 21x9, it looks stellar on this model (auto-crops). It was originally shot at 8K resolution and remastered at 4K. It also makes this set look like a $2,500 TV. Every scene is reference quality. No other blu-ray comes even remotely close to this. Baraka is supposed to be close, but I haven't watched that yet.

I saw this in theaters last year and loved it, a nice follow-up to Ron Fricke's own "Baraka" (also on BD, also scanned at 4K and also a show-stopper demo reel). The 'animals-to-the-store' sequence struck a chord with me, especially considering where I bought my XVT (wink). tongue.gif
post #177 of 264
My local Costco had 3 of these last week. This week they only have the display model left and are selling it for $899. It does not look like they will be getting more of these since the display model is marked down now. I'm tempted to purchase the display model since it has only been there for a month or so but am just not sure. I like the tv but was a little turned off by the viewing angle once you are not directly in front of it.
post #178 of 264
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My local Costco had 3 of these last week. This week they only have the display model left and are selling it for $899. It does not look like they will be getting more of these since the display model is marked down now. I'm tempted to purchase the display model since it has only been there for a month or so but am just not sure. I like the tv but was a little turned off by the viewing angle once you are not directly in front of it.

If you watch a lot of movies then it's worth it at that price. Mine is movie-only TV but I cannot, in my good conscience, say that PQ is top notch. Don't get me wrong, it's not bad but it's not particularly good even after you adjust and fiddle with it.

As to longevity of the TV, I read somewhere that a typical LCD panel last more than 30 years at 8 hours per day usage, so I don't think you have to worry about it.

Besides Costco offers 90-day no questions asked return policy with 2-year warranty. And if you like it, buy the $60 Squaretrade warranty for 3 years extra for total 5 years of warranty and I would say it's a safe proposal.
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If you watch a lot of movies then it's worth it at that price. Mine is movie-only TV but I cannot, in my good conscience, say that PQ is top notch. Don't get me wrong, it's not bad but it's not particularly good even after you adjust and fiddle with it.

I'd second that. I've fiddled with the colors as best I could and, while I'm looking at it, the XVT doesn't look too bad. Then I turn on my other HDTV (a six-year old Olevia 747i) and the colors just pop and PQ (even after thousands of hours of use) blows away the Vizio's. As a movie-only TV or secondary TV (ideal when multiple games on different stations demand PIP support) the XVT is a good alternative. Man, those that paid $2,500 for it when it came out (which were probably few since it dropped to $1K in a few months) must be kicking themselves. biggrin.gif
post #180 of 264
OK, making the jump to a bigger screen Flat screen. Read this thread begining to end. Priorities for the Set are as follows and in order:

1. Exceptional 3D via Blu-Ray 3D movies

Me and mine watch movies at the theatre in Real3D almost exclusively nowadays so we want somethig that will mimick that experience.

2. PS3 Videogaming with some also in 3D (COD BO2, Splinter Cell Trilogy, Assassins Creed, Grand Turismo 5, Killzone to name a few that are 3D capable)
Big Gamer so I am hoping that the PS3 will play games in native 21:9 as their 2.80 update implies

Incidently, my PS3 will also be my Blu-Ray, Netflix and all round Connected device to the tube as well as a HD Cable box of course

Will this niche HDTV accomplish these impressively? Viewingandle is not much of a consideration as we will be sitting about 9-11ft way straight on eye level

Anyone have PS3 gaming experience with this set? Does it do gaming in 21:9 natively, without stretching? And how is the 3D gaming in CODBO2?

Call me nuts, but I love having one-of-a-kind things that work well. Doesn't have to be Sharp Pro level picture, but as long as it is Wal-mart's Samsung, LG, Vizio level that you see hanging up on the back wall, I'll be OK. for $1K give or take $100 it still as good as some 50-55" sets the big boz stores have.

Any to-the-point and concise advise prior to this potential purchase will be most appreciated
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