Official Vizio XVT3Dxx0CM 21:9 CinemaWide Owner's Thread - Page 8

Hi, dad1153.
I'm worried for you that you feel your Black levels are so washed out.
I'm sure you've probably known this forever, but I just found out that you can send differently formatted HDMI signals to this thing from your devices; for instance, my Boxee Box can send RGB High, RGB Low, YUV444, and YUV422 as it's HDMI output choices. RGB Low is WAY WAY too light, and is extremely washed out. RGB High is the darkest black it seems, with YUV422 looking pretty good too. Maybe you devices are defaulting to an RGB Low or equivalent signal which is not best for the XVT.

Anyway, I hope you find some good settings.


In other news, I spoke with a Rep at Vizio yesterday about getting the latest Netflix version and running the internet streams in 3D. She assured me that a) no software update is scheduled for release, but b) Vizio has definitely NOT abandoned this product. (And then she informed me there was no way I would be able to update Netflix on the XVT outside of an XVT software update).

^^^ Boo! Hiss!

Sure, Vizio, sure. Well, I hear Vizio is known, dare I say notorious, for NOT keeping up with firmware/support for their past products and leaving their customers hanging. Sounds like Vizio is abandoning XVT as per their usual practice. Part B sounds like what a company would tell a potentially irate customer in order to placate him/her.

Ah, well. I had a faint hope that Vizio might come through with a finished firmware that will deliver what was promised in the manual but I guess we are stuck with the half-baked one that's currently in the TV set.

Hi, I'm considering purchasing this TV for use with a Toshiba 21:9 notebook PC (U845W). The notebook outputs a HDMI 21:9 aspect resolution of 1792x768

Just wondering if anyone who happens to have this TV hooked up to a PC might be able to try sending a 1792x768 HDMI signal to the display and let us know if the TV recognizes the signal correctly? (i.e. recognizes it as a 1792x768 signal and displays the PC desktop correctly). Theoretically in "normal" mode that would display an equal black bar on all four sides and in "auto" mode would stretch the image in both directions (zoom) to fill the display.

Any assistance would be *greatly* appreciated!

Thanks,
Brian

Hi there!

I work for a UX research firm, GfK User Centric, out of Chicago and I am looking for Vizio XVT3Dxx0CM owners (or any 21:9 ratio TV) to provide feedback about their experience with it for a large TV manufacturer. We are looking for a 3hr in-home interview and you will be compensated $500 for your time. If anyone is interested and lives in the Chicagoland area (we will drive up to 60 miles out of the city if necessary) please email me at pschwarz [at] usercentric [dot] com.

Thanks!

usercentric.com

Hi Brian,

I have access to a system that allows me to output any VESA and CEA timings on the HDMI output. I gave this a try, but unfortunately the TV did not accept 1792x768@60 Hz (VESA CVT and CVT/RB). Neither did it accept 1680x720@60 (VESA CVT).

Your best bet is to use 1920x1080p and set the TV Wide Mode to "Auto Stretch". You would have to use anamorphic pixel with a pixel aspect ratio of 4:3, or a picture aspect ratio of 64:27. Also, make sure your image content reaches to the edges of the video signal, so that the automatic cropping and stretching of the TV is not triggered.

Here you can see my test pattern, which contains indicators for the 4:3 and 16:9 areas in the center, and the full "21:9" area with a 2-pixel-wide red border around the edge. As you can see, the Vizio shows evey last pixel without cropping.



Hope this helps,
Christian.

And a post scriptum: Here is a detail shot of the convergence point of three circles. All these lines are exactly 2 pixel wide in the 1920x1080 source pattern, so you can see the effect of the horizontal upscaling from 1920 to 2560.

Any updates on this unit to handle the 2560 native resolution from a PC yet? I ran across a pawn shop that has two of these units for sale, and I may try one.

does anyone know if costco is sitting on any more of these, or if anyone is for that matter? all im seeing is $1300+ open box models on ebay.

Regarding your 21:9 concerns, has they fixed the zoom yet? Check out my post, there have been many returns at my local Costco due to this issue. Many folks were expecting to play widescreen cinema scope movies like Ben Hur at full screen, or close enough to it, but that is not the case. The zoom function is messed up and as of yet no news on a firmware fix;

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1394104/vizio-theater-3d-xvt3d580cm
Edited by badabing - 4/9/13 at 7:18pm

I just saw on Costco.com for $999.99 plus $99.99 shipping. My local Costco still had several units.

Nope, no firmware update or fix for zoom function. And I am not expecting one either. From the gate, Vizio Cinemawide zoom functions differed from what was described in the manual. Issues with Ben Hur and other ultrawide cinemascope movies can be solved with simple straight zoom. My understanding is Philips ultrawidescreen offered a straight zoom. I don't understand why Vizio never offered one.

One of the difference between first-tier brands and Vizio is support of legacy products. My old Sony blu-ray still gets firmware updates. From what I gather in this forum, Vizio support on legacy products is practically zilch. Vizio Cinemawide is a legacy product now. Don't expect any further support or fix going forward.

Just bought a 55" Samsung UN55EH6000. There is no comparison to quality. Once you set it to PC mode its perfect. Having the TV accept/display the panels native res helps

Paid $400 less, insanely better quality, perfect uniform backlight, way good viewing angles and accurate colors. Don't want to hate on the XVT or its users, but I'm really glad I went this route instead of keeping the XVT. Anybody looking for a computer monitor at this size should definitely consider the UN55EH6000.

That said I hope Vizio makes it right with you guys and either sends out a firmware update to fix all the problems/false advertisement or settles with a class action lawsuit.

I have the opportunity to purchase a Vizio XVT3D580CM from a resale place in my area. They buy returns and out of date stock from big box stores and resale them. This item they are stating still has the plastic on the screen. However when turned on it has lines on the screen and when it warms up its distorted. I can probably get it for less than $20. Anyone have any idea what this problem could be and what a fix might run me? Thanks

I'm watching Samsara blu ray right now. WOW!! watching this should silence anyone concerned with this television's scaling issues.

^^^ Who has complained about scaling issues with anamorphic movies (particularly DVD's and high-def media)? Only those that tried to hook a computer got stumped. And I agree, "Samsara" (and "Baraka" and the whole "Qatsi" trilogy, though the latter shows a little its age) looks stunning on this thing.

rogershomework, happy you found a TV that works for you. I'm not blind to the shortcomings of my XVT over those of competing/better brands, I'm just not picky enough to let it bother me. Still, for $1,000 this is still the best passive 3D and decent-for-the-price big-screen TV I can think of that also does decent PIP and POP options. For me it's a keeper.

I believe i've gotten my 2 6809s output a 2560x1080 signal and told the tv to auto stretch. I'm actually quite impressed with the picture. my background doesnt look stretched at all. (I also can't notice any bleeding light on my set) I've tried looking and I cant find any pixels that are stretched across another to meet the aspect ratio and resolution.
The tv never told my computer its 2560x1080 but I used Nvidias Control panel to create a custom resolution.
I've played crysis 3 maxed out in 3d and the tv has proven to me for at least what I planned on using it for that its worth keeping.
I have yet to get 120hz.
I can go as high as 90hz till the picture starts top ghet screwed up. So 120hz it does not like.(I couldnt make anything out in 120hz)
I keep it set at 75 right now.
the tv says its in 1920x1080 but I cant notice any distortion in anything.
Im running through a hdmi cable. (dont know which version)

and dual screening with pop doesnt work. it doesnt use (if i had to guess) 20-25% off the top and bottom of the screen and sets the pictures in the middle.(you get the 2560 but lose the 1080). Its good for other things such as watching tv and having a monitor but it doesnt dual screen well.

I have noticed that a blu ray (at least played on the computer, havent tried an actual blu ray player) when the tv does its auto aspect thing to put it to 21:9 ratio the picture became quite grainy. I only noticed when the movie didnt suck me in or i sat real close (3ft).

I have to agree with a lot of people that youll most likely have a love hate relationship with this tv. And from the pictures ive seen from what mine looks like (picture wise such as the light bleeding) Vizio didnt do a very good job at quality control. as if there wasnt any. So you could end up with a great unit that isnt as bad as the others or you could end up with the worst one. it seems that each tv is unique and you cant expect to have all of the same problems or as bad as others experience them (or it can be worse) If all you want is the resolution save a few hundred and buy a 30" monitor version sold on newegg. (though sounds like at least one of em ended up like this tv and released before the firmware was ready. but that company is at least working on a fix asap.)

This is my first vizio tv but you can bet I wont buy another product if they cant stand behind what they made until the job is done.

The tv is beautiful. and instead of making the tv dinner (perfect firmware) its more like Vizio told the tv to **** off and grab week old left overs from the back of the fridge (what we got).

Also can anyone tell me how to update the firmware. I looked and i only have 2.4. I saw earlier in the thread that the last one is like 2.42 or something like that. Did they not only stop making it but stop updates as a whole?

Glad to here you found a tv that works for you. And if anyone is up for a lawsuit to at least make than stand behind a product for once and make this tv act exactly as advertised just message me and im in.
It may have been a complete failure but thats no reason to keep your supporters stuck in a rut in darkness. I've had better customer service from archos. (that says a lot)

Thanks to a helpful comment from Joseph L on an Amazon.com customer review by Bobby Player, I have been experimenting with the Picture Size controls and have found a way to achieve the proper display of films formatted wider than 2.40:1. In the Automatic mode, some films formatted wider than 2.40:1 aren't properly detected by the TV and display window boxed and letter boxed in the 16X9 frame, making them look pretty small.This shortcoming has been noted by people in this forum and by professional reviews, including Consumer Reports, CNET and others, but I've not found a description of how to overcome it, so will offer this solution here.

In the "Wide" menu, select either ZOOM 1 or AUTO STRETCH. That should cause the movie to horizontally fill the 21:9 screen. Then, go into the PICTURE settings, choose "More" at the bottom of the list on the first page, and find the Size & Position settings. Use Vertical Size to achieve the proper geometry--I've found that a setting of between + 75 to +80 seems about right. I used the geometry pattern on the test disc Video Essentials HD Basics, as well as several movies to determine the range of settings, but your own eyes may lead you to apply more or less vertical stretch--there is lots of range to work with. I find pausing the picture and looking at a still frame much easier to judge than moving images. Don't forget to put the Vertical Size control back to 0 and the Wide control back to automatic when you're done watching the film--otherwise whatever you watch next will look distorted.

Note that this applies to an input of 1080p--usually even a regular DVD is upscaled to that resolution in the player. I don't know if this would work if the TV were fed a 480i or 480p signal directly, or with broadcast TV signals. I don't know that it wouldn't--I just haven't tried.

Sometimes the TV will properly display an extra wide movie in the Auto mode--mine displays the How the West Was Won Blu-ray (2.89:1) like a champ--and even displays the "Smilebox" version with the corners cut off, but across the full screen. But Its a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World ( 2.55:1) just parks in the middle and looks small until I apply the correction. The standard def. DVD of Oklahoma has a Cinemascope version ( 2.55:1) that also won't display properly until the correction is applied. On the other hand, the standard def. A Star Is Born (approx. 2.55:1) displays properly without the added correction.

I hope this is of some assistance to other owners of this television who have some extra wide films in their collections and would like to enjoy them on the "big" screen.

^^^ Thanks a lot dude, that's going to be of some help for those extra wide movies (of which I have none right now). Figures that the Vizio techs would put a way to get the XVT to display wider-than-2:40:1 movies properly and they ended up burying it in the menu/option settings.

Try using the Netflix App in your Blu Ray player.. See if that works out better for you.
Edited by badabing - 5/14/13 at 6:42pm