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post #151 of 397
7/5/12 at 10:03pm
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Originally Posted by idividebyzero View Post

I dont know if its been mentioned but the 300+450 speed is not very widely supported among laptops and wireless devices since it requires another antenna, so unless your stuff is pretty new dont expect to be able to use the 450 speeds.r.

Funny thing is my 6 year old dell 820 had 3 antennas and my new Asus U56e only had 2.
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post #152 of 397
7/6/12 at 7:04am
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The OP said price didn't matter. Honestly, I've used Airport Extreme's for probably the past 6 or 7 years, and they are extremely reliable. For something I use for hours every day, I don't think $180 is asking much if it gives me a reliable no-fuss connection. I remember having a linksys router before that and having to reset it all the time. I don't think I've ever had to reset an Airport Extreme. The only think I don't like about them is you have to manage them via an application rather than a simple webpage.
That being said, don't expect them to do miracles for high bit rate HD video. No wireless N router will help you much there. For general use though, they're fantastic.

I second this (make sure you get the newest one, also consider time capsule as its an Airport Extreme with built-in hard drive for NAS). I've used linksys, netgear, etc. in the past and the Apple is so much easier to setup, has great dual band coverage and range and I stream lower quality HiDef on it all the time with no prob., plus gigabit ethernet switches and airprint built-in it saves money on these other devices. Give C-Net review a look, they like it as well.
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post #153 of 397
7/6/12 at 7:37am
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Originally Posted by pottscb View Post

I second this (make sure you get the newest one, also consider time capsule as its an Airport Extreme with built-in hard drive for NAS). I've used linksys, netgear, etc. in the past and the Apple is so much easier to setup, has great dual band coverage and range and I stream lower quality HiDef on it all the time with no prob., plus gigabit ethernet switches and airprint built-in it saves money on these other devices. Give C-Net review a look, they like it as well.

I'm sure they're great for some people, but I expect they're not really for me. It's not the cost. But "easy to set up" really isn't an attraction to me if it means some kind of "setup wizard". I don't use Wifi Protected Setup for devices. I don't plan on using Cisco's "Cloud." All I want is something that has a straightforward manual configuration, has the features I want, and is fast and reliable. And I prefer to use a seperate switch for my wired connections (a decent 8 port gigabit switch is only $30 or so; 5 port ones (which I usually use at the end of each cable run) can be less than $20).

I haven't used the Apple routers, but if they're anything like other Apple products, it means they are easy and reliable to use as long as you want to use them just as Apple thinks you should want to use them, but are inflexible if your approach is different than Apple's. Which is fine on an iPod, but not so good for me on a router.

I appreciate the advice and comments, but I doubt if an Apple router is really what I'm looking for personally.
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post #154 of 397
7/6/12 at 8:14am
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Originally Posted by Tong Chia View Post

If you can move the non-wireless functions out to a core router on the wired LAN it reduces the problems somewhat, if the device is operating as a bridged access point.

I have always had mine set up as Modem --> wired router ---> switch for wired connections and WAP for wireless.

With the death of my trusty RSV4000 wired router, I've decided to experiment with Modem ---> Wireless router --> switch for wired connections.

If I don't like how that works, I'll be looking for a new wired router and converting one of these wireless routers to a WAP to go back to my old configuration.

I think my ideal home setup would be modem --> managed security device/router such as a Sonic Wall or Zyxel with router based anti-virus and security software --> wired switch --> WAP.

I'm confortable protecting pcs with device level security software. But wIth the growing number of devices on my wireless network without decent device-level security like tablets and phones, router-based security and anti-virus or a gateway security appliance is becoming a more attractive approach to me. Just not sure if the current threat is worth the expense of annual software subscriptions.

Yeah, I know I could build an open source security device from an unsued Core2Duo desktop I have sitting in the basement (indeed, I've saved a couple of recently retired desktop pcs for potential security appliance and server builds), but I'm not convinced I have either the time or motivation to actually learn how to do it and and execute it.
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post #155 of 397
7/6/12 at 10:20am
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Originally Posted by dj4monie View Post

I agree this is what I might do myself and I don't have a multi-level home. You can use Power Line to Link a cheap N router like you said and make it a Bridge which means it won't repeat the signal thus degrading the signal. Keep doing that until the entire house is covered in 802.11n and full bars. Small Net Builder test single routers in select locations. One router is likely fine for a medium sized apartment, condo or small home (1200ft or less) but anything larger and you'll need to have at least one access point/bridge for your wired and wireless devices.

I'm really intrigued by what you said about a repeater degrading the signal. I'm now wondering if i have my network setup correctly.

I have two linksys E2000, main router in the bsmt and 2nd router on the 2nd floor of the house. Both routers have dd wrt installed on them. My house is new so i have cat5e run to each room in the house. the 2nd E2000 is in my mster bedrm connected to the network through ethernet but i set it up as a wap. Is this the method wrong? should i have set it up as a bridge? i dont need a powerline adapter since every room has an ethernet jack. I was under the assumption that 2nd router is taking the internet signal from the cat5e and spitting it out wirelessly with no signal loss.

Am i wrong?
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post #156 of 397
7/6/12 at 1:00pm
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I just got the linksys/ cisco AE4500 a week ago. So far I am not impressed. The cloud setup is complicated and confusing compared to the typical 192.168.1.1 setup I had become accustomed to. I have tried for hours to figure out some basic features and still dont know how to do some simple things. Im not talking deep, advance settings either. For example, I cant figure out for the life of me how designate a static IP for my printer or my itachs. The connection is choppy it seams. One minute it works, then the next it doesnt. My wife hates it because of this. The range is not at all good either. I can barely get a signal 50 ft away. This is a problem in my 4000sq ft house. I have had to add 2 old routers as WAPs, (again, setting these up was a nightmare via the cloud crap). I have already ordered an Asus RT-N66U to replace the AE4500. It will be here tomorrow. I hope for better results with it. If so, Ill return the AE4500. Glad I bought it as Sams.

Just wanted to follow up with this post.. After just a few days of having the ASUS I can definitely say my router needs have been met! I cant speak for longevity of the asus (couldn’t speak for longevity of the cisco/ linksys either), but I have excellent signal throughout my whole house now, and user interface and setup menus are way better. Plus I dont have to put up with cisco's nazi cloud! I am not anywhere close to fully utilizing all the features of this router, and probably never will for that matter, but I am very happy with it and completely satisfied. I'd recommend it for sure!
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post #157 of 397
7/6/12 at 1:30pm
Got you beat, our server is an old Pentium II with MMX. I just added PCI-to-SATA 4 port controller, and it it is just fine running RAID5 with 4x 2Tb drives. The one before this was Pentium 133, but the motherboard on that was only PCI 2.1 or something (worked fine with rocketfish 8 port IDE controller), and PCI-to-SATA needed PCI 2.2 or something.
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Originally Posted by Dark_Slayer View Post

We are typically "required" to convert things to other use because they are worth nearly $0. I've used tech for a long time now, and I wouldn't consider myself a tech junkie but I do like to upgrade every 2-3 years. Still using a P4 dell with FreeNAS, because it's worthless otherwise. Schools usually don't even want this stuff as donations. Cascaded the old Belkin-G to the parents because it was worthless, but still worked. Donated the old nokia cell to battered women's shelter because it was worthless on the marketplace, but they still take them for access to emergency calls which still work. Sold the old iphone because I switched to verizon/gnex, but this time it wasn't worthless. In fact, I made more than I paid because it was out-of-contract and unlocked. After 2 years with the GNex, I can guarantee it won't be worth anymore than a Nexus1 is worth now ($0-$30). I have a "cousin-in-law" who upgrades his MacBook Pro every year for around $300. I can't stand the standard lockdowns on ATV, ipad, iphone, but their value is really starting to convert me. I can live with a lot to save money.
A few things to clarify:
  1. I didn't own it
  2. It sold for $100 new, not $200 (your thinking extreme, I'm talking express)
  3. Extreme would go for near 80%, taking less is unadvisable, be patient
  4. Cost to own was $20, and I don't know what you bought for $20
  5. I'll never get that high a resale on my 4200v2 because there is no Linksys cult
  6. 802.11AC is around the corner, and I think Apple is the only way to invest now and recoup later
Back to topic, Zon2020, I still run my 4200v2 on what I assume is the "Pre-Cloud" firmware and have not entered into the CloudConnect world. It's easy to configure without any connection software.
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post #158 of 397
7/6/12 at 8:04pm
I'm going to be going on a month long holiday to the US soon and most of the places we're staying offer free wired internet access in rooms, but have a surcharge for wireless access. I'd appreciate any recommendations for a cheap, small and portable wireless access point that I could take with me to plug into the hotel's wired connection so I can then have wireless access in my hotel room.
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post #159 of 397
7/6/12 at 9:18pm
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Originally Posted by assassin View Post

So the most expensive = the best?
Btw I have a linksys and have never had to reset it. So please provide information on why the apple product that is over twice the cost of most very good routers is superior.

I would be curious to hear why.

Personally... an enterprise level router is probably the best.

Best is subjective.

best meaning what? Fastest? Most reliable ???

What's the purpose?

If performance was actually important enough... you could just wire it. No wireless router can touch a good wired set up.
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post #160 of 397
7/6/12 at 9:47pm
I have 3 airport extreme routers in my house, and they never crash or need to be reset. I have them placed such that I can get at least 10 megabytes/sec of transfer speed wirelessly from all but one room of the house (my laundry room -- yeah, can't say that's been a frequent spot, but I was curious).

I've used Belkin and Linksys N routers, and they had a tendency to get squirrely and need resetting quite frequently.

Having said that, the first time you try to stream a lossless BR encode over N at 5 GHz will be the first time you start planning how you can make your network entirely wired.

Wireless just ain't enough for HTPC's...
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post #161 of 397
7/6/12 at 11:26pm
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Originally Posted by Zon2020 View Post

I have always had mine set up as Modem --> wired router ---> switch for wired connections and WAP for wireless.
With the death of my trusty RSV4000 wired router, I've decided to experiment with Modem ---> Wireless router --> switch for wired connections.
If I don't like how that works, I'll be looking for a new wired router and converting one of these wireless routers to a WAP to go back to my old configuration.

On a dual function device the major processor hogs are
Ethernet:
1)Stateful firewall
2)Deep packet inspection filters such as snort and application proxies.

Wireless:
Most of the 11n retransmission management including receive packet re-ordering is done in software, it is processor cycle intensive and delay sensitive, TCP performance can easily tank if the host CPU cannot keep up.
This happens when there is interference and you have a couple of clients connected of which some have trouble.

If you are going this route, look to see the CPU is at least 1GHz or more for this type of application, most of the cheap stuff (retail <$100) try to get by with hosts running 800MHz or less.

Smallnetbuilder usually gives a good hardware overview when they review the device.
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I think my ideal home setup would be modem --> managed security device/router such as a Sonic Wall or Zyxel with router based anti-virus and security software --> wired switch --> WAP.

This is a far better setup.
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I'm confortable protecting pcs with device level security software. But wIth the growing number of devices on my wireless network without decent device-level security like tablets and phones, router-based security and anti-virus or a gateway security appliance is becoming a more attractive approach to me. Just not sure if the current threat is worth the expense of annual software subscriptions.
Yeah, I know I could build an open source security device from an unsued Core2Duo desktop I have sitting in the basement (indeed, I've saved a couple of recently retired desktop pcs for potential security appliance and server builds), but I'm not convinced I have either the time or motivation to actually learn how to do it and and execute it.

I use embedded pfSense on ALIX (x86 appliance device). This is FreeBSD based and is mostly plug and play, the disk image is precut, all I do is burn it to compact flash and setup via the WebUI. Overall setup time from scratch is about 1.5hours.
It has all the features you mentioned. Typical uptime is 9-12months on my setup. There are other linux based setups that do similar.
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post #162 of 397
7/8/12 at 7:53am
ASUS RT-N66U purchased and setup.
Man is it FAST! Internet connections, and all the Electronics in the House that require Wireless connections. They all connected Easily, except the the following exception.
Originally have Internet connection problems, until I installed the ASUS Setup Utility on all my CPUs and Laptop, then they all entered and broused the Internet super quick! (And the specs say CD installation not required?)
Also found part of my problem was due to my wife's Ciscoe Router/Switch in her Loft that was using the same 192.168.1.1 address. Switched with my former DLink Router that uses 192.168.0.1. What a change - the DLink was nowhere as Fast as this RT-N66U for the Internet! Signal Strengths, when shown on the other Electronics scattered about the house, were far greater. Gave this Router 5 Stars! (Although at one point inregards to the Internet connection problems, dropped it down to 3 Stars.)
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post #163 of 397
7/8/12 at 4:46pm
I have an Asus RT-N53, and I'm very happy with it. I had an Airport Extreme for 12 months, then it overheated and died. I went to an Apple Store and after several weeks gave me a refurbished replacement that lasted 6 months. After that, I purchased the Asus, and other than resetting it when the cable company screwed up my cable modem's signal, I haven't had to reboot it. For a cheap Wireless N solution, I found it more than adequate, although the Ethernet ports are only 10/100, so if you need a gigabit solution, I recommend stepping up to the RT-N56, which I believe also offers a USB port or two. The RT-N66 is an upgrade to the N56, so if you don't need the speed bump (check CNet for articles on both), the N66 will be discounted as an older model. Either way, the stock firmware has been good to me so far, and I assume that if you want to flash to DD-WRT or Tomato, you will gain some functionality.

At work we have a Linksys/Cisco 2000 I believe, and I have to reboot that thing at least once a month. The range on it is smaller than my home router too, in my experience.
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post #164 of 397
7/9/12 at 12:00am
ASUS RT-N66U

This. I researched for about a week and ended up with this unit. You'll find more information than you can shake a stick at at "smallnetbuilder.com".

Anyways, after a few months I am very very happy with mine. Speed is amazing, have not had one hicup and the range is silly (I get wifi in the park across the street from my house with my router located in my basement). I am in the home automation business and install small networks regularly. 99% apple products which generally cause headaches and poor performance but the customer loves how sleek they are!

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Have a gooder
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post #165 of 397
7/9/12 at 6:01am
I own three E4200's (v1's) with DD-WRT loaded on them; have them deployed at three different spots in my household. They're dual-band and work really well.
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post #166 of 397
7/9/12 at 6:29am
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Originally Posted by aerosnow88 View Post

http://www.expansys-usa.com/belkin-share-max-n300-wireless-n+router-231205/
I believe this is the best router for the money.
You have gigabit
You have N (not the dual channel stuff)
You can install DDWRT
You can install Tomato
All depends on your needs
Streaming dvd's on the usb port is flawless. It cant handle HD via the USB though.
For $22 shipped, the stock firmware has been rock solid for me.

+1

While not the best router that money can buy, this setup is VERY stable with 3rd party firmware and you just cant beat the value. It is literally only a few dollars more then a cheap gigabit switch alone! I have had one of these running with DD-WRT for 2 or 3 months now without a single reboot and is kicking along fine. There are routers with better range on the wireless side, but if that was an issue for someone, picking up 2 of these things and using one as a repeater would still not only come in cheaper, but exceed the range of a single well performing one too.

As far as stock firmware goes...ran it for a few days with the latest one. It was stable enough although a few days isnt much of a test at all....but the available setting were extremely limited. Would be fine for the average clueless very basic user, but for the techies, it's missing some key stuff nevermind being in control of every last thing, so it doesnt cut it there. On the plus side...there are builds of DD-WRT that you can flash just as easily as stock firmware now rather then having to go through a bunch of steps to hack it. Simply download, flash, and restart.
Edited by C17chief - 7/9/12 at 6:37am
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post #167 of 397
7/9/12 at 7:17am
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Just thought I'd post a followup.

Got both the E4200V2 and the WNDR4000 (both refurbished, the Cisco direct from Cisco, the Netgear from Amazon). Both arrived Friday.

Yesterday, I decided to replace my Buffalo with the Netgear. (Don't ask how I picked the Netgear rather than the Cisco, except that the Netgear can stand vertically. Beyond that it was sort of a coin flip)

Anyhow, the WNDR4000 was really easy to set up manually the way I wanted it, and immediately connected with everything. Works great so far. No more trouble connecting. Better, more stable, speed. Really happy with it. Good buy for $69.99. So far so good.

Haven't decided whether the E4200V2 will go back unopened, or whether I should keep it.

Anyhow, thanks for all the comments in this thread. I doubt I would have really looked at, much less ordered, the WNDR4000 had it not been for this thread.
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post #168 of 397
7/9/12 at 7:40am
I've never had an issue with Netgear and I think they are to notch so I continue to support them. I bought the Netgear R6300 last week and I'm very impressed (Got it for future blah blah blah). It's a very fast router and I haven't had a drop connection or anything yet from basement to top floor on the 2.4ghz bandwidth. My blackberry bold will connect to th 5ghz line but it doesn't have the range like the 2.4. The admin features are top notch and what you'd expect from netgear, form guest logins, to external usb shared server, readyshare printers etc.

If range is at all a concern, I would go with the ASUS RT-N66U instead (same price). A co-worker has that and you could probably connect from space with it. Can't go wrong with either imo.
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post #169 of 397
7/9/12 at 7:48am
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Regarding the 2.4 vs 5 ghz, I had not had 5 ghz wireless before, and was quite surprised when a several year old Core2Duo laptop of mine saw the 5 ghz network and connected right up to it once the encryption key was input. Never even thought for a moment that that laptop had dual band wireless.
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post #170 of 397
7/9/12 at 8:55am
so whats the deal with streaming DVD ISO's over the network? I can stream 16gb 1080p files over wireless like its a local copy but not 4gb ISO's, my network activity shows 6MB/s when streaming a normal file and less than 2MB with an ISO which drops to 0k/s then jumps back up and down, my graph looks like /\/\/\/\/\/\/ when streaming an ISO (my normal wireless transfer rate is 11MB/s). I play the ISO in VLC. Do ISO's not have the ability to buffer or something? The ISO plays but it stutters every few seconds.
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post #171 of 397
7/9/12 at 10:55am
Netgear R6300.

I have it and it is awesome.

Easiest setup you can ever imagine. Each unit comes with a factory password so you dont have any setup at all.


Stay away from Apple products.
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post #172 of 397
7/9/12 at 12:12pm
I have an Amped Wireless High Power Wireless-N 600mW Gigabit Router (R10000G) and haven't had a single issue with it. The range is great, I still get my connection at the neighborhood pool across the street. I haven't had to touch it at all since I bought it.
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post #173 of 397
7/9/12 at 12:40pm
Is there a difference in speed or reliability for a wired router or wired network?
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post #174 of 397
7/9/12 at 2:09pm
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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

Is there a difference in speed or reliability for a wired router or wired network?

The routing performance and reliability should be the same.

Packet loss on the wired LAN will be close to nothing, were as on the wifi side there will be packet loss.
So even if you get 5 times the speed needed to stream a bluray, you still might not be able to play it smootly because of the packet loss.

for throughput the wired lan might get %90 of is advertised speed, where as on wifi you will be lucky to get %50 of its advertised speed.
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post #175 of 397
7/9/12 at 2:34pm
Honestly from feature perspective the major companies leapfrog each other on a regular basis, and usually what is new typically breaks or degrades what worked great in the past smile.gif

I own a Cisco Linksys E4200, and it has been running perfectly for at least a year now with no issues. It does get a bit warm but I've never had a wireless router that doesn't. I reboot it once every two or three months just for the heck of it. It has killer range and no issues whatsoever with wireless speed or latency - for almost 2 years I ran Google TV, Roku and Panasonic blu-ray player streaming services across my wireless network with never a hiccup (now that the HT is rebuilt everything is hard-wired). Of the list you provided it's the best IMO (including anything recommended from the fruit company biggrin.gif ).
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post #176 of 397
7/9/12 at 2:56pm
Nice job Zon.
The refurb Netgear 3700v2 also seems fine for me.
Really strong 2.4 signal, and what confused me is that 2.4 carries B+G+N
...was not expecting 2.4 N ...but our laptop has a 2.4 ghz N+B+G wireless adapter.
I can now stream HDVideo from the laptop to the router then via 5GHz n band up to the far bedroom Panny HDTV. 5GHz band is weaker signal - 3 bars - but I'm learning that 2.4GHz band is the best band if you want to cover distance. When we finally get a main 3D-HDTV downstairs, the router will be right at the TV and the future Oppo so I can CAT5 wire or do 5GHZ. In other words, 5 Ghz has more signal loss through walls and obstructions;
thus long distance 5ghz is not really something everyone needs, just nice to have.
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post #177 of 397
7/10/12 at 4:40am
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Originally Posted by Zon2020 View Post

Regarding the 2.4 vs 5 ghz, I had not had 5 ghz wireless before, and was quite surprised when a several year old Core2Duo laptop of mine saw the 5 ghz network and connected right up to it once the encryption key was input. Never even thought for a moment that that laptop had dual band wireless.
The original 802.11a protocol operated on 5GHz so it's no surprise that an old laptop which is likely to be 802.11a compatible will pick up that band.
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post #178 of 397
7/10/12 at 5:31am
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Originally Posted by kesawi View Post

The original 802.11a protocol operated on 5GHz so it's no surprise that an old laptop which is likely to be 802.11a compatible will pick up that band.


It's not really that old. It's a 2008-vintage Sony Vaio "home entertainment" class, but after reading your post I checked the specs and it has a/b/g/n. Indeed, it looks like at least some of Sony's consumer laptops are still a/b/g/n to this day. I haven't paid any attention to the availability of "a" in many years, and while I would expect it on a business class laptop, I'm a bit surprised they are still including it on consumer grade devices in the "n" era.

Do any businesses even still use "a" today?
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post #179 of 397
7/10/12 at 6:00am
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Originally Posted by Zon2020 View Post

Regardless of brand, price, single or dual band, etc. I just want the most rock solid, reliable, always connect, always maintain throughput, good range and coverage, wireless N router.
Any suggestions?
I've been using for quite a while a Cisco small business wired router (which has been great) and a Buffalo wireless router in WAP mode hung off the Cisco. The Buffalo has good range and throughput but has always been unreliable in passing through and resolving ip addresses (in contrast to my previous Linksys WAP54G that was flawless.)
Router died in the storm on Friday, so I'm intending to get a new wireless router to replace both the Cisco and Buffalo (using the Buffalo as a router right now and I still don't like it.)
I guess my initial thought is to get a Linksys E4200 V2 but I'd certainly like to hear other recommendations. Major brands only,. TPLInk, Trendent etc need not apply. Don't think I want another Buffalo, and don't want a Belkin.
Cisco, Netgear, Asus, Sonic Wall, Hawking, DLink, ZyXel etc would be fine.
I DON'T use the wireless for streaming media , by the way, just for all the myriad wireless devices in the house (laptops, tablets, camera, phones, weather station, clock radio, iPod, etc.) I just want something with which I don't need to be figuring out why something connected yesterday just fine but for some reason today won't.

The best answer to this question very much rests on the details of your requirement. The biggie is the exact nature of the area to be covered - how many rooms, what the walls are made out of, etc. For example I've done installations in both modern dwellings, institutional buildings, apartment complexes and older residences with wet plaster walls, outdoors, etc. Different tools for different jobs.

You should be aware that just as there is consumer audio and professional audio, there are also consumer routers (which I think you have primarily mentioned other than Sonic Wall) and professional grade routers/access points/etc. The professional grade tools have features like far higher power, adaptability for use with external antennas, connectivity via POE, etc. And, they are often very competitively priced.
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post #180 of 397
7/10/12 at 6:05am
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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

Is there a difference in speed or reliability for a wired router or wired network?

What Andy said.

Nothing beats the speed and consistency of a well-done wired system.

Wireless is highly contingent on the environment, which can change very dynamically.

It may not be obvious, but your wireless network is actually on the equivalent of a party line. As the density of routers in your band around you increases, its performance goes down and may even totally break down. I suspect that renewed interest in 5 GHz is driven by the many places whose 2.4 GHz band is highly saturated.

If you want a real thrill, experience wireless in a place where there are over a dozen active access points in range.
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