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post #31 of 54
^^^

Only 12 responses? And no comments about the room EQ at all.


Ahh, I cut and pasted from that site, and it's DA5700ES and DA3700ES ...


I guess I have my answer. DCAC doesn''t seem comparable to Audyssey or ARC then.
post #32 of 54
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Originally Posted by Ryan1 View Post

Sony's amps should not be any worse than competing brands. Where Sony lacks is features, and namely its room correction system appears to be way behind the curve.
Having said this, Pioneer's room correction does not equalize low frequencies, and from what I understand, Yamaha also doesn't do much in that department. The problem with this is that the lower frequencies are where equalization is really needed.
Now, this may not matter much for your room or equipment.
Frankly, I'd upgrade the display first and then worry about the AVR (which may also diminish the need for video upconversion, since most displays nowadays do a good job of it.)

Sony receivers weigh around 18lbs while their competitors weight 4-5 lbs more. Most of that is due to a beefier power supply. Sony receivers have been notoriously underpowered for quite some time. couple that with lesser or no room correction, cheap spring clip terminals and lack of features and I see no reason to buy one.
post #33 of 54
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Originally Posted by afrogt View Post

Sony receivers weigh around 18lbs while their competitors weight 4-5 lbs more. Most of that is due to a beefier power supply. Sony receivers have been notoriously underpowered for quite some time. couple that with lesser or no room correction, cheap spring clip terminals and lack of features and I see no reason to buy one.

I am not too worried about the weight, since it is unlikely that the power supplies Sony employs are inadequate for most home theater applications. (I also wish everyone would move to Class D amps, but I suppose this "heavier is better" perception that the general public has makes it an uphill battle for the marketing departments).

I am, however, curious about the DCAC ES room correction, which offers speaker relocation. Does anyone have any more detailed information on it?

I am in love with Trinnov, which I consider the best Room EQ system I am aware of (and if the OP really wants to get something good in terms of room correction, the R-972 is a real steal at accessories4less.com (and (unfortunately) it weighs 49lbs.... biggrin.gif ). Trinnov does 3D remapping, which is kind of amazing in action.

I wonder if DCAC EX is any good, compared?
post #34 of 54
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Originally Posted by Semp1 View Post

All the above except Onkyo. Stay far far away from Onkyo. All they make are defective pieces of pure garbage.

Never had a single issue with any Onkyo receiver. I've had the 703 since 2005-2006 (can't remember exact date) and the Onkyo 605 since summer 2007 and all have been problem free. We only hear from the people who have had issues and not from the masses who haven't had any problems. I would bet for every single person who have had issues there a few hundred or thousand that haven't had any issues.
post #35 of 54
Thread Starter 
I think I've pretty much settled on the Pioneer VSX-926 but I'm still curious as to the big difference between that and the Yamaha RXV571. What would make you choose one over the other?
post #36 of 54
Apart from the features you need, not much except weight.

These <400CAD AVRs are getting desperately emaciated, not even suitable for weight training. My CD, DVD players and DAC weigh as much or more than most of them. While 2kg difference isn't much when you're talking about a 25kg unit (such as mine) it is a lot for a sub 10kg unit.

(Assuming the online figures are reasonably accurate)
Yamaha RXV373 7.5kg
Denon 1513 7.8kg
Sony STRDH720 8kg
Yamaha RXV571 8.3kg
Onkyo 509 8.5kg
Sony STRDN1020 8.8kg
Pioneer VSX-822 8.9kg
Denon 1312 9kg
Denon 1612 9.2kg
Pioneer VSX-926-k 10kg
Denon 1712 11.5kg
post #37 of 54
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Originally Posted by Semp1 View Post

All the above except Onkyo. Stay far far away from Onkyo. All they make are defective pieces of pure garbage. Personally I'm switching out all my Onkyo receivers for Denons. Just put a Denon 1913 in the bedroom.

I just wanted to say I have had 2 Onkyo receivers and 2 Integra pre/pros and never had an issue with any of them. The only reason I let them go is to upgrade. I currently have the Integra DHC-80.2.
post #38 of 54
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Originally Posted by g_bartman View Post

I just wanted to say I have had 2 Onkyo receivers and 2 Integra pre/pros and never had an issue with any of them. The only reason I let them go is to upgrade. I currently have the Integra DHC-80.2.

I've never heard of Integra before. Are they sold in Canada? If so do you know by whom? Are the prices pretty high or fairly competitive with other brands?
post #39 of 54
Integra is a part of Onkyo and is only available through their dealerships. They are priced competitively with Denon, Marantz etc. Their pre/pros are highly rated and their flagship holds it's own against some products that cost much more. Not sure about Canadian dealers.
post #40 of 54
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Originally Posted by g_bartman View Post

Integra is a part of Onkyo and is only available through their dealerships. They are priced competitively with Denon, Marantz etc. Their pre/pros are highly rated and their flagship holds it's own against some products that cost much more. Not sure about Canadian dealers.

Well I found at least one Integra dealer in Ottawa Canada. I wouldn't mind seeing how much even the lowest receiver costs. I'm probably going to stick with getting the Pioneer receiver I mentioned before though. It's a bit more in my price range.
post #41 of 54
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Originally Posted by afrogt View Post

Based on the fact that you have component video and HDMI sources, you should look at a receiver that will convert component video to HDMI which is why I recommended that Pioneer VSX-926 and Yamaha RX-V571 in your other thread. This way you can have one cable to the TV instead of having to use a component video cable and HDMI cable from receiver to TV.
Plus the Pioneer has networking and Airplay and you said you may want to use your Macbook to stream music.
But it is totally up to you what to get. Good luck.

Well I went ahead and splurged on the Pioneer VSX-926-K for $399 at Future Shop. I had to "order" it cause they were out of stop except for a returned/reconditioned model which did not have the original remote. I wanted the original remote so I bought new. They said it would arrive either this Thursday or next Tuesday which is when their trucks arrive. Thanks for all your help. My next venture is a new (and my first) full HD TV. biggrin.gif
post #42 of 54
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Originally Posted by TuenMuner View Post

5000ES was a soild receiver, probably better than 5700ES too(SQ wise). But it lacks HDMI inputs and HD codec decodings.

Yep, however there's work-arounds for each.
post #43 of 54
So, anyone who has played with and compared the DCAC ES room correction to the competition?

Very curious if Sony has done a good job of the speaker remapping feature.
post #44 of 54
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Originally Posted by Ryan1 View Post

So, anyone who has played with and compared the DCAC ES room correction to the competition?
Very curious if Sony has done a good job of the speaker remapping feature.

Hello:

It has been a while since your post . I happened to pick up a 5700es last week was not even looking at the sony's but ran into a deal at a local dealerr that I could not turn down. I was very pleasantly supprised at the unbelieveable performance of this unit. PQ SQ and most of all the room correction. I just came from an onkyo 3009 with subeq32. The sony did a better job the measurements were right on . Distance level just a little hot on the sub. I used my rs meter and fount is right on . The onkyos and dennons always ran hot for me. Using the meter I dropped the sub and it sounds just terrefic. Set up was easy and i believe the sony units are definately worth exploring. I think some of the onks and dennons are overpriced and sometimes a bit overated. And I was at the time looking for a rotel receiver or processor. I do use external amps except for the highs I use the sony. Just my .02
post #45 of 54
^^^

Have you done any room freq response measurements to verify the performance of Sony's room EQ? REW?

And then comparisons to any flavor of Audyssey?

Quantifiable data is worth more than an opinion. smile.gif
post #46 of 54
Kevin:

No I am not quite into that kind of detail. I just noticed the difference in the measurements from when I used the aud multi eqxt32. That always seemed to run hotter where i had to run it down from reference. The soney eq I barely had to touch. Just the base was a bit high and I adjusted it after the eq set up. Not a real pro here just your average user with a little knowledge to make me dangerous. LOL.
post #47 of 54
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Originally Posted by Kevin C Brown View Post

This is it?
http://store.sony.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&categoryId=27925
That kinda sad if you ask me.
I had their TA-E9000ES SSP a very long time ago. I still think that was one of the best pre/pros I've ever had. Built like a freakin' tank. But ... I've kept somewhat of an eye on their offerings ever since, and they never did another pre/pro, unfortunately, and their AVRs haven't really been competitive with other companies' ... for years IMO.
Interesting comment to me because I'm still running my TA-E9000ES and you're correct. I also have the TA-P9000ES and a tube pre-amp to round out the latest BR codecs and 2-channel where the TA-E comes up short. smile.gif
post #48 of 54
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Don't get me started how sad I am that there was never a successor to the venerable TA-E9000ES ...
post #49 of 54
What happened with the ES line. I had a STR-DA5ES years ago which was one of my favorite receivers sound wise, especially for music. I haven't read a great review on the ES stuff in years.
post #50 of 54
I never had the processor but I had two of the 5000ES amps really nice and warm sounding. I do not know whatever posessed me th sell them. I am using the 5700 now with Rotel amps. Havent tried the internal amps yet except for using the front B for heights.
post #51 of 54
Hi there,

since I have a Sony AVR, I thought I could say a thing or two.

First one: since I've got a sony, they must be the best. Period. Discussion ends here.

Now getting serious, I bought a Sony STR-DH700 7.1 AVR in January 2011, for which I paid 200€. When I bought it, the only thing I missed was a nice GUI to set it up.

People here have talked about room EQ, well, I believe it doesn't do any and simply sets the distances, balance and levels. The biggest issue with this is that it doesn't do anything with the subwoofer, as if it wouldn't exist. For the levels and distance, I think it did it job ok, to be fair. I guess that Audissey and others do active EQing to have as a flat response as possible, correct?

Another minus point (that's a big one), is that the receiver is severely limited in speaker choice. It explicity says that speakers should be in the range of 8 to 16 Ohms. One could thing that it could cope well with 6 Ohm speakers too, but given the power the receiver has... better not risc it.

The power supply is a complete joke! I believe it's less than 300W! For a 7.1 system! That's a joke, yes. Lucky me, I only have 3 speakers and the sub, and living in a flat, I don't turn the volume as much as I'd like (sometimes), so to be honest, I've never felt I would need a more powerful amp, but even so... When I bought it, I though I was buying a 7.1 channel receiver with 100W/ch, now I see I rather bought a ~40W/ch.

Am I a happy owner? Actually, yes. I think it sounds very good, it's quite easy to set-up and, luckily, it has enough power for my current needs. Also, it only was 200€, so I guess I can't complain too much, and it hasn't had any problems. Since I have a Sony TV, I've set up HDMI CEC and that makes everything easier.

Would I buy a sony again? No way! Next receiver will have Audissey MultiEQ and a solid performance with good and accurate power rating. I wish I had the cash to buy a Denon 1713! Also, for the same price I remember I also looked at some Yamaha and Pionner, I wish I got one of those 5.1 AVR instead of this 7.1 "joke".
post #52 of 54
ES line is nice enough, and I'd not turn one down, but you can generally do better for the price.
post #53 of 54
I think more than anything there are not a plethora of authhorized dealers and the promotion and advertising is poor.. I think they have a very good thing going with the es line just poor exposure. Although you see you could do better else where i still cannot believe the deal i received on this unit I doubt if I could have done better on any of the flagship Onks, Dennnons , Yammy's or Elites. Also not even one small hiccup in setting up or using this unit so far. Believe me I am no fanboy the 790 bd and the 5700 receiver are the first sony products I have liked and kept since my 9000es amps and very first dvd player back in 1999.
post #54 of 54
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Originally Posted by Canuck31 View Post

Just curious as to why that is? What kinds of issues have they had and what (if any) are the current ones?

Some love is shown here:
Sony STRDH820 AV Receiver « Oliver's Blog
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Dude reckons he had some reliability issues with his Onkyo and replaced it with a Sony STR-DH820.

Speaking in terms of "my neck of the woods" (Australia) and its big box stores, Sony don't tend to be doing a great job at getting stores to promote or sell their AV receivers or other separates gear.
I can only guess why that is.

Yamaha and Pioneer get the bulk of the action. Why? Dunno.
The Sony STR-DH820, for instance, isn't even offered to Australians by Sony Australia. Seems like a very simplified product line-up.

Sony Australia have a total of 5 receivers on offer for Australia
Receiver / Amplifier : Hi-Fi Components : Sony Australia
Most of which are rarely seen.

Yamaha and Pioneer both have more on offer. Yamaha for example seem to offer 8 if their website is accurate:
AV Receivers - Yamaha - Australia

A similar story with Pioneer (more models on offer).

I don't know how Sony fare around the world, but Sony is controlling your mind with its publishing interests (movies, games), so perhaps controlling your AV is less of a priority wink.gif Then there is the fact that hi-fi snobs (you know who you are) tend to like exclusivity and may associate SONY with "pedestrian gear" :=)
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