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post #1 of 23
Thread Starter 
Is there anyone who has calibrated a Vizio M470sl? Would you please share your findings. I would be happy to see someone's settings that feels they have great skin tones. My display has a greenish/yellowish push that I have not been able to fix.

I have a 46 inch Sony and a 46 inch Samsung that are calibrated and have beautiful pictures. I have not had the same kind of results with the Vizio.

Thanks for any help you can offer.
post #2 of 23
I'm sure others will chime in here but sharing settings is not advisable and rarely works well. Simple reason is component tolerances. Another reason is that panel calibration also takes into consideration the viewing environment.
post #3 of 23
Thread Starter 
Thank you for the response and I agree with you. In this case I would still try someone else's settings and if it doesn't work , then I'll simply reset back to factory defaults and start over.
post #4 of 23
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Originally Posted by Humbleman View Post

Thank you for the response and I agree with you. In this case I would still try someone else's settings and if it doesn't work , then I'll simply reset back to factory defaults and start over.

Hi Humbleman,

I am a technical consultant to Vizio. Try the settings from the link below at my website. It is a different 47-inch M-Series but may help you.

http://www.tweaktv.com/tweak-my-tv/calibration-guide/vizio-m3d470kd.html
post #5 of 23
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Originally Posted by Humbleman View Post

Thank you for the response and I agree with you. In this case I would still try someone else's settings and if it doesn't work , then I'll simply reset back to factory defaults and start over.
Since swapping settings is not calibration, this is not the section of the forum for obtaining such information. Go to the area of the forum where fellow owners of your make and model discuss what they have done to adjust their picture controls. Usually, there are plenty of folks in the owner threads who are willing to talk about their settings and how much they like the way their TV looks. Calibration is about setting up a display's capabilities to come as close as possible to video industry standards and recommended practices. The objective is for a display to mimic the professional monitors used in mastering video programs. Essentially, calibration has nothing whatsoever to do with how much you like the result. Is it accurate or not? Most viewers are pleased with the outcome, but there is no shortage of people in this forum and others who do not. Many consumers prefer an over-accentuated picture that is very bright but distorted.

It sounds like you want to "roll the dice" without it costing you anything. That's fine for you, but such activity doesn't belong in this area of the forum. Such discussion is a distraction and waste of time for folks who come here wanting to learn about authentic display calibration. There is a "sticky" thread offered at the top of this area of the forum that explains more detail on this topic. Here's the link:

'Sharing display menu settings?'

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1055906
Edited by GeorgeAB - 7/2/12 at 11:47am
post #6 of 23
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Originally Posted by GeorgeAB View Post

Since swapping settings is not calibration, this is not the section of the forum for obtaining such information. Go to the area of the forum where fellow owners of your make and model discuss what they have done to adjust their picture controls. Usually, there are plenty of folks in the owner threads who are willing to talk about their settings and how much they like the way their TV looks. Calibration is about setting up a display's capabilities to come as close as possible to video industry standards and recommended practices. The objective is for a display to mimic the professional monitors used in mastering video programs. Essentially, calibration has nothing whatsoever to do with how much you like the result. Is it accurate or not? Most viewers are pleased with the outcome, but there is no shortage of people in this forum and others who do not. Many consumers prefer an over-accentuated picture that is very bright but distorted.
It sounds like you want to "roll the dice" without it costing you anything. That's fine for you, but such activity doesn't belong in this area of the forum. Such discussion is a distraction and waste of time for folks who come here wanting to learn about authentic display calibration.

While I agree with you for the most part on your definition of calibration and objectives, I think you're being a bit harsh on a relatively new poster. You could have suggested a little more politely that the poster query a more appropriate area than basically telling him to get the hell out because he doesn't belong here with his questions.
post #7 of 23
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Originally Posted by Otto Pylot View Post

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Originally Posted by GeorgeAB View Post

Since swapping settings is not calibration, this is not the section of the forum for obtaining such information. Go to the area of the forum where fellow owners of your make and model discuss what they have done to adjust their picture controls. Usually, there are plenty of folks in the owner threads who are willing to talk about their settings and how much they like the way their TV looks. Calibration is about setting up a display's capabilities to come as close as possible to video industry standards and recommended practices. The objective is for a display to mimic the professional monitors used in mastering video programs. Essentially, calibration has nothing whatsoever to do with how much you like the result. Is it accurate or not? Most viewers are pleased with the outcome, but there is no shortage of people in this forum and others who do not. Many consumers prefer an over-accentuated picture that is very bright but distorted.
It sounds like you want to "roll the dice" without it costing you anything. That's fine for you, but such activity doesn't belong in this area of the forum. Such discussion is a distraction and waste of time for folks who come here wanting to learn about authentic display calibration.

While I agree with you for the most part on your definition of calibration and objectives, I think you're being a bit harsh on a relatively new poster. You could have suggested a little more politely that the poster query a more appropriate area than basically telling him to get the hell out because he doesn't belong here with his questions.
You exaggerate and misrepresent what I have said and how I said it.
post #8 of 23
You went back and edited your original post after I responded which adds a little more civility to your response.

"There is a "sticky" thread offered at the top of this area of the forum that explains more detail on this topic. Here's the link:

'Sharing display menu settings?'
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1055906"

Nobody questions your technical expertise and your contributions to this forum but your manners could use a bit of work.
post #9 of 23
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Originally Posted by Monitorman View Post

Hi Humbleman,
I am a technical consultant to Vizio. Try the settings from the link below at my website. It is a different 47-inch M-Series but may help you.
http://www.tweaktv.com/tweak-my-tv/calibration-guide/vizio-m3d470kd.html

Wouldn't a better solution/recommendation be to use a basic setup disc like AVSHD709, Disney WOW (BD), Spears & Munsil HD Benchmark (BD), or DVE HD Basics (BD)?

Copying settings is not likely to improve the OP picture, especially given it's not even the same model number.

Also, I don't own a Vizio but did make some observations about the settings provided in the link.

"User Menu Settings
Picture Modes
Picture Mode : Movie
Color Temperature : Normal - seems to be a choice that might be far too blue
Aspect Ratio : Wide - is this the correct mode for 1:1 pixel mapping? the name "wide" doesn't sound like it
Picture Settings
Backlight : 50 - this could be set much lower if contrast was set much higher
Contrast : 50 - this setting appears to set way too low, likely compromising CR greatly
Brightness : 42
Color : 55
Tint : -1
Sharpness : 6"
Edited by PlasmaPZ80U - 7/2/12 at 3:46pm
post #10 of 23
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Originally Posted by Otto Pylot View Post

You went back and edited your original post after I responded which adds a little more civility to your response.

"There is a "sticky" thread offered at the top of this area of the forum that explains more detail on this topic. Here's the link:

'Sharing display menu settings?'
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1055906"

Nobody questions your technical expertise and your contributions to this forum but your manners could use a bit of work.
You got it wrong again. People question my technical expertise and contributions in this forum on a regular basis. In most cases they are proven to be wrong by me or someone else, but sometimes they refuse to learn. Sometimes I grow from the experience and am grateful. Other times it's just an annoyance. I would not make a very good diplomat, since I prefer to speak my mind, say what I mean, mean what I say, and try to say it in as few words as necessary, while preserving accuracy. A wise man taught me to prefer clarity over agreement as a goal in debate. Another wise man pointed out to me how chronic the disease of hypersensitivity is in our culture.

There is a certain value in how abruptness can startle some people into being more alert. Euphemisms have limited value or utility in expedient communication. Confusion and error are terrible states to be in for long. Some folks exist that way much longer because no one is willing to provide a "rude" awakening by telling them the truth. In the first three posts of this thread it is clear that the thread starter thinks swapping settings is related to obtaining a better picture. Reality is that it's not a reliable solution, nor is it a very expedient method of education. It's considered by some to be a short cut to better performance than out-of-the-box configurations. I consider it too short. For some folks it may be all they want. That's fine, just don't mistake it for a reliable substitute for accuracy. Your attempt to help the thread starter didn't appear to sink in.
post #11 of 23
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Originally Posted by GeorgeAB View Post

You got it wrong again. People question my technical expertise and contributions in this forum on a regular basis. In most cases they are proven to be wrong by me or someone else, but sometimes they refuse to learn. Sometimes I grow from the experience and am grateful. Other times it's just an annoyance. I would not make a very good diplomat, since I prefer to speak my mind, say what I mean, mean what I say, and try to say it in as few words as necessary, while preserving accuracy. A wise man taught me to prefer clarity over agreement as a goal in debate. Another wise man pointed out to me how chronic the disease of hypersensitivity is in our culture.
There is a certain value in how abruptness can startle some people into being more alert. Euphemisms have limited value or utility in expedient communication. Confusion and error are terrible states to be in for long. Some folks exist that way much longer because no one is willing to provide a "rude" awakening by telling them the truth. In the first three posts of this thread it is clear that the thread starter thinks swapping settings is related to obtaining a better picture. Reality is that it's not a reliable solution, nor is it a very expedient method of education. It's considered by some to be a short cut to better performance than out-of-the-box configurations. I consider it too short. For some folks it may be all they want. That's fine, just don't mistake it for a reliable substitute for accuracy. Your attempt to help the thread starter didn't appear to sink in.

I think you hit the nail on the head with this post. My attempts to help the OP in another thread failed despite many genuine tries on my part and soon after the thread was deleted by the mods (which I'd say was a good call given the direction it was headed in with respect to the OP's recent posts in it).
post #12 of 23
Thread Starter 
To clarify a little, I did try using the DVE HD Basics, which I own. However, it is my first shot at using a calibration disk and some of it was difficult to follow. The picture I ended up with still had a slight tinge of greenish/yellow on the skin at times. I was just looking for help. I appreciate being directed to a more appropriate area of this forum and I especially appreciate those that offered help rather than comment about my financial objectives. This television cost $750 and sits in front of a treadmill. Spending a couple of hundred dollars or so seems excessive for my needs on this set. Thanks to everyone for their guidance and I will not post anything further at this location.
post #13 of 23
Thread Starter 
I don't know what an OP is but I believe this is my first and only post to this forum.
post #14 of 23
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Originally Posted by Humbleman View Post

I don't know what an OP is but I believe this is my first and only post to this forum.

opening poster/thread starter
post #15 of 23
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Originally Posted by Humbleman View Post

To clarify a little, I did try using the DVE HD Basics, which I own. However, it is my first shot at using a calibration disk and some of it was difficult to follow. The picture I ended up with still had a slight tinge of greenish/yellow on the skin at times. I was just looking for help. I appreciate being directed to a more appropriate area of this forum and I especially appreciate those that offered help rather than comment about my financial objectives. This television cost $750 and sits in front of a treadmill. Spending a couple of hundred dollars or so seems excessive for my needs on this set. Thanks to everyone for their guidance and I will not post anything further at this location.

the greenish/yellow tint to skintones could either be a grayscale error or color decoding/gamut error... to see if it's a grayscale error or not you could cycle between the various color temp presets and see if the issue goes away when you select a different preset from the current one... also, be sure to put the TV in movie mode before you adjust any other picture settings/options

this forum is not just for full calibrations which require meters/software but also partial ones that use test patterns like those in DVE HD Basics... but copying settings is not calibration and that is why you received the kind of respones you did when you insisted on copying settings instead of setting them yourself properly with a disc like DVE and with some help from others on this forum

so this forum is not just for full calibrations (and professional calibrations) but also partial (basic) ones... however, copying settings isn't something done or encouraged here because it simply doesn't work in most cases
post #16 of 23
Thread Starter 
Thank you for your kindness and your point is very clear.
post #17 of 23
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Originally Posted by GeorgeAB View Post

You got it wrong again. People question my technical expertise and contributions in this forum on a regular basis. In most cases they are proven to be wrong by me or someone else, but sometimes they refuse to learn. Sometimes I grow from the experience and am grateful. Other times it's just an annoyance. I would not make a very good diplomat, since I prefer to speak my mind, say what I mean, mean what I say, and try to say it in as few words as necessary, while preserving accuracy. A wise man taught me to prefer clarity over agreement as a goal in debate. Another wise man pointed out to me how chronic the disease of hypersensitivity is in our culture.
There is a certain value in how abruptness can startle some people into being more alert. Euphemisms have limited value or utility in expedient communication. Confusion and error are terrible states to be in for long. Some folks exist that way much longer because no one is willing to provide a "rude" awakening by telling them the truth. In the first three posts of this thread it is clear that the thread starter thinks swapping settings is related to obtaining a better picture. Reality is that it's not a reliable solution, nor is it a very expedient method of education. It's considered by some to be a short cut to better performance than out-of-the-box configurations. I consider it too short. For some folks it may be all they want. That's fine, just don't mistake it for a reliable substitute for accuracy. Your attempt to help the thread starter didn't appear to sink in.

No, my friend, I think you got it wrong. My point, and only point, was that you can share your knowledge and experience with a "newbie" without sounding so frackin' arrogant. I gave you a compliment and you turn it into a debate on your validated experience. Conservation of words to make a point is a valid goal but not everyone here is at your elevated state of awareness. I too grow from experience and the knowledge I learn here, and elsewhere , but you can't stand anyone disagreeing with you, even a perceived disagreement. I do like the way you carefully, and tactfully, put together your rebuttals though rolleyes.gif

@PlasmaPZ80U; dewd, you are SO predictable it's funny. Nice to talk to you again. Looking forward to further posts.
post #18 of 23
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Originally Posted by Otto Pylot View Post

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Originally Posted by GeorgeAB View Post

You got it wrong again. People question my technical expertise and contributions in this forum on a regular basis. In most cases they are proven to be wrong by me or someone else, but sometimes they refuse to learn. Sometimes I grow from the experience and am grateful. Other times it's just an annoyance. I would not make a very good diplomat, since I prefer to speak my mind, say what I mean, mean what I say, and try to say it in as few words as necessary, while preserving accuracy. A wise man taught me to prefer clarity over agreement as a goal in debate. Another wise man pointed out to me how chronic the disease of hypersensitivity is in our culture.
There is a certain value in how abruptness can startle some people into being more alert. Euphemisms have limited value or utility in expedient communication. Confusion and error are terrible states to be in for long. Some folks exist that way much longer because no one is willing to provide a "rude" awakening by telling them the truth. In the first three posts of this thread it is clear that the thread starter thinks swapping settings is related to obtaining a better picture. Reality is that it's not a reliable solution, nor is it a very expedient method of education. It's considered by some to be a short cut to better performance than out-of-the-box configurations. I consider it too short. For some folks it may be all they want. That's fine, just don't mistake it for a reliable substitute for accuracy. Your attempt to help the thread starter didn't appear to sink in.

No, my friend, I think you got it wrong. My point, and only point, was that you can share your knowledge and experience with a "newbie" without sounding so frackin' arrogant. I gave you a compliment and you turn it into a debate on your validated experience. Conservation of words to make a point is a valid goal but not everyone here is at your elevated state of awareness. I too grow from experience and the knowledge I learn here, and elsewhere , but you can't stand anyone disagreeing with you, even a perceived disagreement. I do like the way you carefully, and tactfully, put together your rebuttals though rolleyes.gif

@PlasmaPZ80U; dewd, you are SO predictable it's funny. Nice to talk to you again. Looking forward to further posts.
You're welcome.
post #19 of 23
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Originally Posted by PlasmaPZ80U View Post

Wouldn't a better solution/recommendation be to use a basic setup disc like AVSHD709, Disney WOW (BD), Spears & Munsil HD Benchmark (BD), or DVE HD Basics (BD)?
Copying settings is not likely to improve the OP picture, especially given it's not even the same model number.
Also, I don't own a Vizio but did make some observations about the settings provided in the link.
"User Menu Settings
Picture Modes
Picture Mode : Movie
Color Temperature : Normal - seems to be a choice that might be far too blue
Aspect Ratio : Wide - is this the correct mode for 1:1 pixel mapping? the name "wide" doesn't sound like it
Picture Settings
Backlight : 50 - this could be set much lower if contrast was set much higher
Contrast : 50 - this setting appears to set way too low, likely compromising CR greatly
Brightness : 42
Color : 55
Tint : -1
Sharpness : 6"

Hi PlasmaPZ80U,

Yes doing a basic calibration with a test disc is a good idea, but the poster asked for others to suggest settings which is something my site TweakTV offers. These are just basic menu setting suggestions. I can tell you from alot of experience with Vizios that Normal is the best and closest to the D65 color temperature in most Vizio TVs. Also if you raise the contrast on any of these models above 50 and in some cases lower than that you start clipping white immediately so raising Contrast and lowering backlight is not a good solution here.
post #20 of 23
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Originally Posted by Monitorman View Post

Hi PlasmaPZ80U,
Yes doing a basic calibration with a test disc is a good idea, but the poster asked for others to suggest settings which is something my site TweakTV offers. These are just basic menu setting suggestions. I can tell you from alot of experience with Vizios that Normal is the best and closest to the D65 color temperature in most Vizio TVs. Also if you raise the contrast on any of these models above 50 and in some cases lower than that you start clipping white immediately so raising Contrast and lowering backlight is not a good solution here.

I have found the same for both the color temperature and contrast settings. There is too much blue with all the color temperature settings but normal is the least offender. The Vizios I have done needed the aspect ratio set to normal for 1:1 pixel mapping. Also on the sets I have done setting picture mode to standard produces the flattest and closest line to a 2.2 gamma.
post #21 of 23
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Originally Posted by Monitorman View Post

Hi PlasmaPZ80U,
Yes doing a basic calibration with a test disc is a good idea, but the poster asked for others to suggest settings which is something my site TweakTV offers. These are just basic menu setting suggestions. I can tell you from alot of experience with Vizios that Normal is the best and closest to the D65 color temperature in most Vizio TVs. Also if you raise the contrast on any of these models above 50 and in some cases lower than that you start clipping white immediately so raising Contrast and lowering backlight is not a good solution here.

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Originally Posted by praz View Post

I have found the same for both the color temperature and contrast settings. There is too much blue with all the color temperature settings but normal is the least offender. The Vizios I have done needed the aspect ratio set to normal for 1:1 pixel mapping. Also on the sets I have done setting picture mode to standard produces the flattest and closest line to a 2.2 gamma.


interesting... does this mean the contrast control has a much larger range than most user contrast controls... like the contrast controls found in the SM?

also, is there a warmer color temp preset than "Normal"?

and if "normal" aspect ratio enables 1:1 pixel mapping, does "wide" have overscan enabled?
post #22 of 23
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Originally Posted by PlasmaPZ80U View Post

interesting... does this mean the contrast control has a much larger range than most user contrast controls... like the contrast controls found in the SM?
also, is there a warmer color temp preset than "Normal"?
and if "normal" aspect ratio enables 1:1 pixel mapping, does "wide" have overscan enabled?

I guess so. As for a warmer color temp yes I think Warm is very warm. I am not sure about the Wide aspect setting but I think that is correct.
post #23 of 23
Thread Starter 
There is no "warm" setting available. The warmest setting is "normal". I fixed my problem by reducing the "color". Thanks for everyone's support.
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