The "Super-Slim" PS3 (4000 model series) - Page 5

You do realize this 16gb system is only 4gb less than the model that launched in 2006? It won't have any more/less affect than those systems that users still use to this day.

I am sure most of us addicts have similar stories.

They're not the same thing.

Coding a game with a mandatory hard drive installation that every PS3 out there has the capability out of the box to support with no additional purchase is a far cry from a developer having to support different amounts of RAM with their game depending on how much RAM the consumer has installed.

A mandatory hard drive installation has a developer coding a game for a single situation that is able to be supported by every PS3 ever produced right out of the box. Your proposal doesn't.

You are both right and (mostly) wrong. If a 16GB model goes on to sell 50 million units, developers may keep it in mind and make the install optional (if it passes Sony's requirements). Having two different amounts of RAM is completely different. It changes everything about the game and engine. It may sound easy for a PC person, but developers cannot easily target two different RAM pools. Consoles are fixed targets and goofy add-ons are always marginalized or ignored.

That system barely sold and was canceled within months. There was never that many out there. Plus, PSN wasn't what it is today. There wasn't full games, PSN Plus, etc. The minimum size that might be in wide use today is 40gb, but even that is not many units.

I really don't like the idea of a 16gb PS3. I don't think it provides even close to an "optimal" PS3 experience. Sony should be encouraging people to hop on PSN, sign up for plus, buy full games online - hook up to the PS3 ecosystem. The 16gb system just does not do that.

I have a 60gb and feel like I can't do that.

With Sony needing a PS3 model to fill the competitor's 4GB model slot, why do you think Sony need to ensure every model of Sony provide the "optimal" experience? What is "optimal" experience to casual gamers anyway? To casual gamers, "optimal" experience is able to get the console as cheap as possible. You can explain all the wonderful "hardcore" games out there and casual gamers will just ignore you. You can explain having a hard drive is the only way to "optimal" enjoy many games at a time and again casual gamers will look at you funny.

It's simply business out there. That is the problem Sony when they originally created with PS3, ie. made it too "good" for an experience from the beginning and the CEO back then said you need "two" jobs to be able to afford one. Can you imagine if Sony still following that today? PS3 would have been dead in the market. You should be happy that the 16GB PS3 model is only missing the hard drive to have the same experience as all other models. Since PS3 allows you to use any brand of hard drive in the market, it's the best thing. As for the actual 16GB hard drive usable space to the user, it's more like around 11-12GB. There isn't any disc based game in the market the requires more than 11GB to install. As long the 16GB hard drive will let one disc game to run, it has filled the requirement. But for casual gamers, they are more likely able to install several games at a time. Personally, I have met very casual competitor's gamers who got by with the tiny memory cards without any hard drive. Guess what, same type of casual PS3 gamers also exist. Again, casual gamers don't look at download games from online service. If they do "advance" that far, when it's time to introduce a hard drive to them.

One thing that we already know 16GB model will sell, the advanced gamers who always replace the hard drive with larger model. That alone will ensure 16GB model will be popular even it's not what Sony want.

Note: We know who I meant by "competitor" here.

So far, we all have been looking at the lowest end model why it's not good enough to function because it's lack of hard drive. I also have read hardcore gamers who want a PS3 model without a Blu-ray drive but with a large hard drive such as 1TB. That group of hardcore gamers rather buy download games only so that they don't have to swap the game on discs.

Say Sony also introduces a high end model based on that group of hardcore games want. Which model, ie. lowest end model without hard drive or highest end model with huge hard drive will be less compatible to everyone? Remember, this is a game console that has a requirement of being compatible for "every body". Simple answer is the lowest end model. Any casual gamers can always add a hard drive but if the highest end model doesn't have a Blu-ray drive, there is simply isn't a way to buy one and add to it.

The reason I brought casual and hardcore comparison up is we are all different and we love how the console needs to be. We don't care if the low end casual gamers can buy one. For hardcore gamers, they just want the console only to have what they want. In reality, what hardcore gamers want the most is more RAM on the console. If that happens, the console will be in chaos because every game will not be compatible with every model of console anymore. Must as well go to PC by then.

PSP Go.

Good point because PSP Go requires download only version of the game and unable to any games that are still on UMD. Technically, the new Vita has the same problem. But PSP Go proved it's a major problem when you start with disc based PSP and then dropped the disc drive on later model.

I agree that the idea of Blu-ray driveless PS3 is illogical but there are some gamers who even want that. At least we know driveless PS3 will not happen (unless Sony makes the same mistake as PSP Go).

Sony isn't exactly a company that is known for learning from their mistakes. The idea of a BD-less PS3 is ridiculous, of course. That doesn't mean that Sony won't do it anyway.

I could see the super slim version having overheating problems as how can you get fans THAT small to dissipate the heat?
UNLESS it has like 4 very efficient small fans like some 1U pa power amps do.

Sony confirmed it at TGS not long ago.

http://kotaku.com/5944433/sony-unveils-a-brand-new-model-of-the-ps3

Not exactly "confirmed." Close, though.

The long-running rumors got two important things wrong:

1) It was assumed that the hardware revision would go hand-in-hand with a substantial price drop. That didn't happen.

2) It was assumed that an entry-level model with flash memory would be announced. That didn't happen. At least, not entirely. Looks like it may be a "test market" thing confined only to Europe for now.

It if hasn't been mentioned already, it looks like Europe is getting it on the 28th.



Edit: There's a post on the US PSBlog. Should have check there first.

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2012/09/18/tgs-2012-smaller-lighter-ps3-model-unveiled/
Edited by eclipz - 9/18/12 at 11:05pm

Huh. That's soon. Wonder if that will include the new HDD-less model. Curious how it will do.

Also, I said this in the TGS thread already, but I have to wonder just how much pressure Sony must be under from its shareholders these days. Seeing a new hardware revision without a price drop is strange. Especially considering that Wii U is set to launch soon in the same price range. I very much hope that Sony's stubbornness with respect to the Vita hasn't spread to the PS3, as well. That would be very bad indeed.

Any discounted pre orders lol

I appreciated this little tidbit:
They still sticking to that two-device limit for PSN content?

Goddammit, I've been waiting for the new model to replace my fixed-YLOD, sure-to-die-again-soon Phat model, and now I find out it technically costs slightly more and my only option for a while will be to buy it bundled with a game I despised. Great. Well, maybe old 160GB Slims will go on clearance.

Price drop by X-Mas, they're just trying to squeeze the enthusiasts, and low info purchasers first.

It put laptop cooling pad under my plat and slim PS3. Works very well because it cools the entire console down without blowing the dirt into the console.

As for model 4000, question is the fan size and how it's placed to cool the console. The original 120mm fan is always the most efficient because it pulls a lot of air with low RPM. Model 3000 already went to 80mm fan. (I'm still trying to get some feedback from 3000 model owners in how the fan runs when the console gets very hot during long summer gaming but no one wants to say anything).

I wonder if they saved the NA 12GB version for when the price cut finally happens? Or they want to get those HDD brackets and branded drives in stock for the add on sales. This whole redesign is kinda pointless unless it's the one that carries the PS3 off to the sub $200 sunset, right? Maybe when NA gets the 12GB version is when we'll see that price cut.

I want this to replace my 60gb, but I also want a GTX 660 ti to upgrade my GPU. Both are $300. Hmm...

Where are the morons from earlier in this thread who INSISTED that the super slim would drop the BD drive and be digital only, a la, PSP Go? Where are you now, morons?

I don't think anyone was serious about that. At least, I hope not. The flash-based model is as close as most of us expected.

There's someone always serious about that ****. Also: the end of physical media (even though infrastructure isn't there, let alone streaming compression), and the rise of 4K as a must have technology (Even though consumer adoption of BD is slow, and lesser quality streaming is picking up).

Me, I'm wondering what the feasibility of modding this new slim into a old phat shell, and possibly replacing the top drive with a front loading drive...

The disc drive is supposed to be a bit louder on this one, but no major difference. I personally care about the heat and HDD noise. the newer models they released last year were cooler and quieter.