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post #121 of 997
7/13/12 at 2:57pm
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Indeed, no Transformer sequel ever inspired this much debate, or raised any questions from me.
ITT people compare this Prometheus to Alien and come up short, well no **** sherlock it is not as good as one of the greatest sci-fi films ever made? really? No? never! shocking! really?
Well ALL of these movies http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_science-fiction_films_of_the_2010s are worse than Alien also, this reminds me of an issue with Empire's review of Dredd they put up today.
They compare it very unfavorably to the Raid, it should have been judged on its own merits not against a movie it can not ever come out of a fight a winner.
Did people seriously go in expecting a better or equal film to Alien?
In my opinion miles worse films get lauded on here because you didn't go in comparing it to some arbitrary lofty standard
Scott even warned you http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-18298709 at the end of the day it is setting up a planned trilogy and not only had its own ground work to lay but all the stupid expectations to battle.

I am so not making the Blade Runner sequel thread, that will be full on war.

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post #122 of 997
7/13/12 at 3:26pm
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Originally Posted by R Harkness View Post

It's quite possible to see the lazy and often illogical script moves in Prometheus on first viewing.
Yep, I have seen it only once.

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too often they fall back on some version of "stop thinking so much, why so critical? It's just a movie" which is an awful rejoinder for reasons pointed out many times before.
+1

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Originally Posted by dvdmike007 View Post

Scott even warned you http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-18298709 at the end of the day it is setting up a planned trilogy and not only had its own ground work to lay but all the stupid expectations to battle.
That link is over a year old.
I am not so sure RS is still thinking "trilogy"; I haven't heard him make reference to that lately.
post #123 of 997
7/13/12 at 3:55pm
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The link was more illustrating that he had said all along its not an alien prequel.

Plus this was relatively cheap to make, it cost way less than MIB3 so sequels are a go I would have thought.
post #124 of 997
7/13/12 at 4:30pm
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Did people seriously go in expecting a better or equal film to Alien?

It's a Ridley Scott film, his entire selling point is that he can indeed make a film, whatever it is, at least equal film to Alien unlike almost all the other directors out there. Some of his films do fall way short of this reputation of which Prometheus is one of them.
post #125 of 997
7/13/12 at 4:35pm
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Originally Posted by dvdmike007 View Post

Nope, in an open forum you can still represent opinion as fact, and this is such a time.

I'm not sure how a writer would "represent" opinion as fact. When you make a subjective claim, it can only be a subjective claim. The reader (you) either knows what opinion is or doesn't. Clearly, you recognized the poster's comment as opinion or your reply would've been meaningless. Instead, it's just unnecessary.
post #126 of 997
7/13/12 at 5:10pm
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I'm not sure how a writer would "represent" opinion as fact. When you make a subjective claim, it can only be a subjective claim. The reader (you) either knows what opinion is or doesn't. Clearly, you recognized the poster's comment as opinion or your reply would've been meaningless. Instead, it's just unnecessary.

It was never a claim, it was a statement and it was not even aimed at you!!!
post #127 of 997
7/13/12 at 5:18pm
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Originally Posted by dvdmike007 View Post

It was never a claim, it was a statement

A statement of opinion is a claim- not a claim of fact, but a claim of opinion. If you're hung up on the semantics of my word choice, however, fair enough- call it not a claim, but a statement.
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and it was not even aimed at you!!!

If the poster intended it as a PM, he failed to make it one. Outside of that, I read this forum just like everyone else here.
post #128 of 997
7/13/12 at 5:25pm
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A statement of opinion is a claim- not a claim of fact, but a claim of opinion. If you're hung up on the semantics of my word choice, however, fair enough- call it not a claim, but a statement.
If the poster intended it as a PM, he failed to make it one. Outside of that, I read this forum just like everyone else here.

It's all me then, and the poster can edit and speak for themselves.
Maybe best to stay out of other people's discussions in future, or I hear the block function is nice.
It is fun you felt the need to come to the rescue tho.
post #129 of 997
7/13/12 at 7:30pm
Forget it.
Edited by spectator - 7/13/12 at 8:43pm
post #130 of 997
7/13/12 at 8:21pm
You two get a room.
post #131 of 997
7/14/12 at 12:48am
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Originally Posted by dvdmike007 View Post

It's all me then, and the poster can edit and speak for themselves.
Maybe best to stay out of other people's discussions in future, or I hear the block function is nice.
It is fun you felt the need to come to the rescue tho.
Huh?
How do we get here?confused.gifconfused.gif
post #132 of 997
7/14/12 at 7:26am
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Originally Posted by TyrantII View Post

You're really not using your brain if you viewed it once, made a snap decision, then picked up the worst arguments from message boards and repeat them verbatim. FYI.

How many viewings would it take you to recognize that Battlefield Earth is not a particularly good movie? Do you need to see that 4 or 5 times to tell?

Some of us are capable of seeing a movie for what it is on the first viewing, thank you very much.
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it's a flawed movie. it handle some material very well and completely drops the ball on others. to call it no better than a transformers sequel is disingenous.

it clearly tried to tackle some intriguing issues and heavy themes, but they get somewhat lost in all the nonsense that occurs in the film
bottom line, i expected a better thought out plot and was somewhat disappointed with the results.

but it surely wasn't garbage. it did succeed on some levels and the sequel has the potential to be a great movie.

Personally, I thought Prometheus was garbage, and was much worse than the last Transformers, which may have also been a terrible movie (it was), but at least didn't pretend to be the next '2001'.

Prometheus had the potential to be a great movie, all of which was squandered in an idiotic mess. What makes you think a sequel will be any better?
post #133 of 997
7/14/12 at 8:29am
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How many viewings would it take you to recognize that Battlefield Earth is not a particularly good movie? Do you need to see that 4 or 5 times to tell?

Are you trying to compare Prometheus to Battlefield Earth now?

If so, you have to realize you're losing any foundation from which to critique the movie.

I've already said it's flawed, and can find faults in it. I'm also not of the opinion you can call it transformers/episode 1/battlefield earth and be taken seriously.
post #134 of 997
7/14/12 at 11:05am
Here's a more well rounded discussion for those interested:

http://www.chud.com/100388/stealing-fire-in-praise-of-prometheus/
post #135 of 997
7/14/12 at 11:41am
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Prometheus had the potential to be a great movie, all of which was squandered in an idiotic mess.
The plot was excellent....clever and unique.
IIRC, RS came up with the basic story.

Where Prometheus goes off is in the writing of the characters.
RS should have recognized this and brought in a new writer.
If that could have been straightened out, Promotheus had the potential to become his 2001.

As it stands, it is an enjoyable scifi with some teeth-grinding moments.wink.gif
post #136 of 997
7/14/12 at 12:29pm
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Originally Posted by TyrantII View Post

Are you trying to compare Prometheus to Battlefield Earth now?
If so, you have to realize you're losing any foundation from which to critique the movie.
I've already said it's flawed, and can find faults in it. I'm also not of the opinion you can call it transformers/episode 1/battlefield earth and be taken seriously.

How did he say he was comparing it to Battlefield Earth? It seems to me you're ignoring the obviousness of his statement, possibly on purpose. If a movie sucks you don't necessarily need multiple viewings to make that assertion. I saw the movie once and I was severely disappointed. If you saw a movie and thought it was excellent would you need to re-see the movie multiple times just to make sure?
post #137 of 997
7/14/12 at 12:42pm
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How did he say he was comparing it to Battlefield Earth? It seems to me you're ignoring the obviousness of his statement, possibly on purpose. If a movie sucks you don't necessarily need multiple viewings to make that assertion. I saw the movie once and I was severely disappointed. If you saw a movie and thought it was excellent would you need to re-see the movie multiple times just to make sure?

Well above he calls it terrible and compares it to Transformers.... I'd say bribing BE into it is also a comparison.

To my link above, I suggest reading it. Even if you don't agree. I do agree with you more care needed to be put on the actions of the crew, especially small changes that would have cut down on the Monday morning quarterbacking. But I also think some of it was very, very intentional. The wrap paragrpah from the link is a very good frame:
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Prometheus isn’t a perfect film by any means, but I don’t always want “perfect” films – especially mainstream big budget films. Sometimes I want bold, messy, imperfectly ambitious films that succeed by existing; films that provoke discussion and invite argument and keep friends up at night afterward trading speculation, criticism, compliments, and ideas. I don’t so much care if films like these “stick the landing” so much as I care about enjoying the attempt at flight. I want Hollywood films unafraid to fall on their nonexistent-faces because they aimed too high and flew too close.

…Maybe Scott and Lindelof should have named the ship Icarus.
post #138 of 997
7/14/12 at 12:57pm
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More than once the discussion thread for this film has been posted, yet the thread about the disc continues to go to hell......

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post #139 of 997
7/14/12 at 1:34pm
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Originally Posted by TyrantII View Post

Here's a more well rounded discussion for those interested:
http://www.chud.com/100388/stealing-fire-in-praise-of-prometheus/
Thanks for the link to an excellent article. I agree with that review one hundred percent. Even the weakest moment in the film, if you look at it as a comic relief, can be forgiven. Prometheus is definitely not for those who like things spelled out. For those who love to go beyond the surface and seek further interpretations, Scott has delivered.
post #140 of 997
7/15/12 at 12:10am
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What was clever or unique about it? The plot was "Chariots of the Gods" BS straight out of some bunk History Channel special.
Hmmm...maybe I missed that special?biggrin.gif

Seriously though, to answer your question....the ET salting of the earth with their DNA in a symbolic and/or religious ritual, which gives "rise" to lifeforms culminating in homo sapiens, is not something I have seen before in a major film.
With the awakening of the sleeping/dormant ET (looking like huge hairless humans) we suddenly and shockingly find out it is primarily concerned with destroying its creation, for reasons its creation doesn't understand.
Essentially, we have God destroying his children (see the Old Testament)....without any obvious justification.

Like I said, I haven't seen this before in a sci-fi....therefore, Prometheus gets 2 extra Brownie Points.

I know you're disappointed...so am I!
However, I just can't say Prometheus is "garbage"; it's long enough to be a home run, but it's just outside of being a "fair ball."
And is 10x better than any recent serious sci-fi I can recall.wink.gif
post #141 of 997
7/15/12 at 6:10am
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Originally Posted by dvdmike007 View Post

More than once the discussion thread for this film has been posted, yet the thread about the disc continues to go to hell......

Well no one has seen the disc yet. Maybe when we get our hands on the actual thing the discussion will refocus wink.gif ....In the meantime I admit I enjoy reading the discussion, oh and the CHUD article, thanks a lot for that TyrantII, fascinating read.
post #142 of 997
7/15/12 at 6:51am
^^^ This thread should be locked.
post #143 of 997
7/15/12 at 1:01pm
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It would just postpone the inevitable
post #144 of 997
7/15/12 at 1:49pm
http://www.whatis101112.com/

So with SDCC wrapping up, we know know that it is something.

Originally I thought that stamp in the credits was probably just put there by an intern, that wasn't meant for much; but then the website popped up, and they had people at comicon recruiting for "Weyland Industries"...


What we do know is that new media releases are always on Tuesdays, and 10.11.12 is a Thursday. So it can't be the DVD/BD, which most likely is releasing the Tuesday prior if we talk the international dates as any barometer.

It is during NY comicon, which is also where "The Alien Prequel" was first announced a few orbits ago.

So, whats you thoughts? What is 10.11.12?
post #145 of 997
7/15/12 at 2:50pm
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Originally Posted by TyrantII View Post

Here's a more well rounded discussion for those interested:
http://www.chud.com/100388/stealing-fire-in-praise-of-prometheus/
Great read, and I think the guy is basically right in his insights.

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So, whats you thoughts? What is 10.11.12?
I can't make out what Weyland said.mad.gif

It could be the video release date or the annoucement date for the sequel.
post #146 of 997
7/15/12 at 3:25pm
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Originally Posted by TyrantII View Post

http://www.whatis101112.com/

So with SDCC wrapping up, we know know that it is something.

Originally I thought that stamp in the credits was probably just put there by an intern, that wasn't meant for much; but then the website popped up, and they had people at comicon recruiting for "Weyland Industries"...


What we do know is that new media releases are always on Tuesdays, and 10.11.12 is a Thursday. So it can't be the DVD/BD, which most likely is releasing the Tuesday prior if we talk the international dates as any barometer.

It is during NY comicon, which is also where "The Alien Prequel" was first announced a few orbits ago.

So, whats you thoughts? What is 10.11.12?

Isn't that the date that Weyland became 'Weyland Incorporated' in the movie fiction?
post #147 of 997
7/15/12 at 4:59pm
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Its the home video date is it not
post #148 of 997
7/15/12 at 5:34pm
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Its the home video date is it not
Nope.
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Isn't that the date that Weyland became 'Weyland Incorporated' in the movie fiction?
This.
post #149 of 997
7/16/12 at 7:01am
It is the fictional date Weyland was incorporated, but with the website, date at the end of the credit roll, and continued viral campaign; it appears something is coming on that date. And as stated, it's during NY Comicon.

At Comicon SD they had a cell number to call which patched you through to a Prometheus class ship, with what sounds like a engineer intercepting it and saying something.
post #150 of 997
7/16/12 at 7:34am
The wife and I are planning on attending NYCC, so perhaps we'll find out there.

IMO, Prometheus was a beautifully shot disaster. I would elaborate, but I can't contribute any critique that hasn't already been contributed. Worth owning, but only from the bargain bin. cool.gif
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