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post #301 of 997
I don't care about anyone's opinion regarding the movie, but Prometheus had very little to ZERO 3D effect during it's entire length. Worst native 3D movie ever made, absolutely horrendous. If this keeps being brought up, I will keep posting on how embarrassed Ridley Scott should be for this atrocity. This thread is going in circles.
post #302 of 997
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Originally Posted by NagysAudio View Post

I don't care about anyone's opinion regarding the movie, but Prometheus had very little to ZERO 3D effect during it's entire length. Worst native 3D movie ever made, absolutely horrendous. If this keeps being brought up, I will keep posting on how embarrassed Ridley Scott should be for this atrocity. This thread is going in circles.
You're the one that keeps bringing it up. Everyone else is just responding to you.

And incidentally, everyone else is saying you're wrong. I'm strongly suspecting that you saw a faulty projection of the film.

By the by, have you watched the 3D trailer on YouTube that I mentioned earlier? Would you like me to extract some stills from every shot to show that there is, in fact, 3D present throughout?
post #303 of 997
Yes, I saw three different faulty presentations. Must suck to live here in Chicago. Your extractions won't change a thing.
post #304 of 997
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Originally Posted by NagysAudio View Post

I don't care about anyone's opinion regarding the movie, but Prometheus had very little to ZERO 3D effect during it's entire length. Worst native 3D movie ever made, absolutely horrendous. If this keeps being brought up, I will keep posting on how embarrassed Ridley Scott should be for this atrocity. This thread is going in circles.

This thread is about the upcoming Blu-ray release of Prometheus. I think you made it clear more than once that you didn't like its 3D. I, along with many people actually, thought the 3D was good, subtly done. And I'm sorry but as Jedi2016 said, you keep bringing it up... I don't like 3D films, and despise conversions. Yet I saw Prometheus in 3D, and the issues I have are the same as other 3D (native) presentations. The film itself, I liked it quite a lot.
post #305 of 997
Sdurani brought it up a few posts back and was questioning our integrity. So for the record, the 3D in Prometheus is an absolute embarrassment.
post #306 of 997
Since that seems to be the only thing you're interested in, the 3D Content forum is that way. I think they have a thread on Prometheus. If not, start one. Knock yourself out.
post #307 of 997
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Originally Posted by NagysAudio View Post

Sdurani brought it up a few posts back and was questioning our integrity. So for the record, the 3D in Prometheus is an absolute embarrassment.

For the record no one cares.
post #308 of 997
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Originally Posted by NagysAudio View Post

Sdurani brought it up a few posts back and was questioning our integrity. So for the record, the 3D in Prometheus is an absolute embarrassment.

I don't think anyone is questioning your integrity, just your subjectivity. After all, you said Avengers was great 3D... even though it's not a 3D film, but a poor post conversion.

Prometheus was one of the best uses of 3D I've sen to date, and it was because it was both subtle and non-gimmicky. It was like looking out your window, which to many people is what they're looking for. Not CGI bullets and weapons flashing 2 feet from their nose while the DOF goes inches to infinity. Hell, that **** gives most people a headache, because it's unnatural.
post #309 of 997
Have you lost your mind? Post that quote! What I said was the complete opposite: Avengers is one of the UGLIEST movies of the year, because it was shot on the hideous Arri Alexa camera (2.8K) and on top of that, it was horrendously converted to 3D.
post #310 of 997
Boy, I HATE it when people are rational on the internet.
It's so unfair...tongue.gif
post #311 of 997
Is/was it really already on DIGITAL HD streaming by Fox? eek.gif
post #312 of 997
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Yup, and its been ripped on the net for a week.
Great move on their part!
post #313 of 997
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Originally Posted by NagysAudio View Post

Avengers is one of the UGLIEST movies of the year
You're one of the ugliest movies of the year.
post #314 of 997
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Originally Posted by NagysAudio View Post

Have you lost your mind? Post that quote! What I said was the complete opposite: Avengers is one of the UGLIEST movies of the year, because it was shot on the hideous Arri Alexa camera (2.8K) and on top of that, it was horrendously converted to 3D.

My apologies, must have been someone else. (Edit: you said titanic, which is also faux Viewmaster like 3D, much like Avengers)

I will say thou, it is still subjective. There seems to be two camps in relation to 3D: Those who want Life like, non-intrusive 3D presentation and those that want pop / spectacle and a sometimes vertigo inducing feeling of depth.

NTTAWWT, but I'm in the first camp and Prometheus delivered. After all, we don't watch movies in inverted colors just to show off color pictures.
post #315 of 997
Lifelike is all I want from my 3D and Prometheus wasn't it. Now if someone only has one eye, then yes, Prometheus looked lifelike.
post #316 of 997
I don't know what all the bitching and moaning about Prometheus's 3D is about....
Sure, it was a different approach by Scott (than what JC did with Avatar), but it worked nonetheless.

I saw both in IMAX 3D and thought the technology added to my movie experiences.
Then again, what the hell do I know....wink.gif
post #317 of 997
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Originally Posted by NagysAudio View Post

Lifelike is all I want from my 3D and Prometheus wasn't it. Now if someone only has one eye, then yes, Prometheus looked lifelike.

Which 3D movie was "lifelike"? I haven't seen any. Something is always off ; and I'm not even talking about conversions.
post #318 of 997
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Originally Posted by Morpheo View Post

Which 3D movie was "lifelike"? I haven't seen any. Something is always off ; and I'm not even talking about conversions.

Something by Cameron I am betting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzKYNZY9Hpk&feature=player_detailpage#t=74s
post #319 of 997
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Is/was it really already on DIGITAL HD streaming by Fox? eek.gif

Fox has a new push for digital delivery. They will be making many of their new releases going forward available on digital services two weeks before Blu-ray street date. Prometheus is the first, and happens to be three weeks ahead of Blu-ray.

I decided to try out the VUDU version since they have about the best quality available for these services and allow download of content as well as streaming. I purchased the HDX version (1080p with 640 kb/s Dolby Digital) for $14.99. It looks and sounds very good, considering the source. I plan to compare the Blu-ray when that becomes available. While I'm certain this sort of service would not replace Blu-ray for me, I do see instances where a purchased download where I retain the file would appeal for some titles as long as Fox keeps the price considerably below Blu-ray.

And the rip that was posted on the net is a low bitrate 720p version. I didn't look at it, but I'm sure anyone that is interested in Blu-ray, or even the higher quality service like VUDU HDX, would not be satisfied with this.
post #320 of 997
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Originally Posted by sdurani View Post

In the Star Trek movie thread you claimed that you experienced distorted close-ups in that movie and were convinced that they had been deliberately shot that way. I had never seen those distorted close-ups the several times I saw Star Trek on the big screen, nor did anyone I know. When it came out on BD, I asked you to point out examples of those distorted shots but you couldn't.

Sorry, I remember the beginning of that conversation from the time of the theatrical release, but I don't recall the later follow-up where you asked me to point out examples on the Blu-ray. The movie does have close-ups on the Enterprise bridge that appear slightly stretched, and they are visible on the Blu-ray. I don't have time codes, and I'm not in a position to check at the moment (nor will I have any time in the near future to watch the whole movie again to hunt for a few isolated examples), but I noted this in my disc review that I wrote at the time. If you didn't see it, then I guess your tolerance for the geometric distortion was greater than mine.

I did not call this a flaw. I merely pointed it out as one of Abrams' stylistic affectations, like his excessive use of lens flares. (You see those, right??)
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Likewise, the few times I saw Prometheus on the big screen there wasn't any lessening of 3D in the second half of the film. Having already read your "I hated hated hated f***ing HATED ‘Prometheus’" review before my last viewing, I deliberately took off the 3D glassed at various moments late in the film to check if your claim had any validity. The 3D remained consistent throughout the film. There were more outdoor shots earlier in the film, which might have highlighted the 3D effect during the first half for some viewers. But that subjective impression is not that same as you objectively stating in your review that the film "stops being 3D in the second half".
Not liking the film is one thing, claiming things that don't exist is something else. To paraphrase a certain senator: you're entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts.

In my experience, the quality of 3D presentation can vary greatly from theater to theater. This was the only 3D movie I'd seen in that particular theater. Perhaps it was just a bad screening, or perhaps it's an IMAX issue (the linear polarized glasses caused terrible crosstalk unless I held my head perfectly level at all times), but what I experienced was that the movie's 3D was pretty effective in the first half, and then it stopped dead being 3D at all in the second half.

I also find that 3D is generally better at home than in any theater, so maybe the Blu-ray will give better results. I cannot cast judgment on a Blu-ray that hasn't even been released yet. If the movie weren't so f*ing horrible, I might be inclined to check it out again. Sadly, it is f*ing horrible.
post #321 of 997
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The version of the movie I saw twice, rather than once and started going on dramatically about things that didn't happen, or thing I decided to change because of my seething hatred at the first viewing.
Milburn never touched the thing; he did wave his hand in front of it like a snake charmer before it attacked. He also wasn't that close, he was a good couple of feet away, and his actions were cautious and a little skidish. The thing leap a good distance to attach itself to his arm.
You might have a case to say it was unwise to taunt alien life you don' know much about, but this ridiculous notion that he was petting the thing is just crud repeated ad nauseum by those with a bone to pick. It never happened. The scene did not play out that way, outside of your imagination.

You've got to be kidding me with this. The guy had just spent the previous few scenes running scared for his life that something might be in the caves with them. And then, as soon as he sees that there in fact is an angry alien life form in the room hissing at him, he suddenly decides that it would be a great idea to get closer and reach out to touch it, at which point the thing attacks him.

The character is a flat-out idiot. Just like all the characters in the movie.

"What's that? My men are in danger in the caves? Whatevs. They can deal with that s#!* themselves. I'm gonna go get laid. BOO-YAA!!"
post #322 of 997
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I decided to try out the VUDU version
What aspect ratio on Vudu? Anyone know? Too many sites blocked at work now for me to research it.
post #323 of 997
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Scope
post #324 of 997
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Scope
Thanks Mike.
post #325 of 997
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

You've got to be kidding me with this. The guy had just spent the previous few scenes running scared for his life that something might be in the caves with them. And then, as soon as he sees that there in fact is an angry alien life form in the room hissing at him, he suddenly decides that it would be a great idea to get closer and reach out to touch it, at which point the thing attacks him.
The character is a flat-out idiot. Just like all the characters in the movie.
"What's that? My men are in danger in the caves? Whatevs. They can deal with that s#!* themselves. I'm gonna go get laid. BOO-YAA!!"

Josh, you're doing it again. No one was in trouble at that point, and they were on a dead planet for all they knew. The Hammerhead did not hiss at him, and he didn't motion to touch it, just see how it reacted. It's like you dozed off during the movie and decided the troll version of screenplay is what Scott actually shot...

And while I do agree the scene could have been better set up, this worse scene "ever" is easily compatible to Dallas peering into an Alien egg in the first movie. Hell, it's pretty obvious is was meant to pay homage to that. It's unoriginal, but it's not the worst offense in cinema ever.
post #326 of 997
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

The movie does have close-ups on the Enterprise bridge that appear slightly stretched, and they are visible on the Blu-ray. If you didn't see it, then I guess your tolerance for the geometric distortion was greater than mine.

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I DO recall seeing it too.
Like lens flair flare, very annoying "stylism."rolleyes.gif

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And while I do agree the scene could have been better set up, this worse scene "ever" is easily compatible to Dallas peering into an Alien egg in the first movie. Hell, it's pretty obvious is was meant to pay homage to that.
Agreed.
post #327 of 997
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Originally Posted by TyrantII View Post

My apologies, must have been someone else. (Edit: you said titanic, which is also faux Viewmaster like 3D, much like Avengers)
I will say thou, it is still subjective. There seems to be two camps in relation to 3D: Those who want Life like, non-intrusive 3D presentation and those that want pop / spectacle and a sometimes vertigo inducing feeling of depth.
NTTAWWT, but I'm in the first camp and Prometheus delivered. After all, we don't watch movies in inverted colors just to show off color pictures.

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I don't know what all the bitching and moaning about Prometheus's 3D is about....
Sure, it was a different approach by Scott (than what JC did with Avatar), but it worked nonetheless.
I saw both in IMAX 3D and thought the technology added to my movie experiences.
Then again, what the hell do I know....wink.gif

agree with both of you. funny thing is i saw the movie in 3d twice in the exact same cinema screen, the first time was excellent, best 3d presentation i had seen outside of avatar.
took my other kid the next week and the 3d was off, like crosstalk or something. the 3d looked very ordinary on the second viewing. i complained to the manager and
they comped me some tickets and explained that the 3d projectors need to be re-calibrated each day and suggested something was amiss with the calibration that day.

don't know if that is a line of s***, but i know what my eyes saw. the great 3d quality i saw on the first viewing simply was not there on the 2n.

and no, it wasn't just in the second half of the movie.
post #328 of 997
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Originally Posted by TyrantII View Post

And while I do agree the scene could have been better set up, this worse scene "ever" is easily compatible to Dallas peering into an Alien egg in the first movie. Hell, it's pretty obvious is was meant to pay homage to that. It's unoriginal, but it's not the worst offense in cinema ever.

Yeah, "Worst Scene Evah" contender would be the final minute of the film where you-know-who makes a cheesy appearance via video game quality CGI.
post #329 of 997
One thing I have noticed is that the more natural the application of 3D is, the easier it is to simply forget that you're watching it in 3D unless something jumps out at you. I'm putting it forward as a possible explanation for the "second half" syndrome.. once the user settles into the effect, it becomes much less obvious.

That's the thing.. it should never be obvious. 3D isn't designed to "wow", it's designed to suck you further into the experience. Ideally, you should forget that it's there after the first few minutes. Prometheus has no "wow" moments, nothing to remind you that you're watching 3D. That's the only proper use of the technology, IMO.
post #330 of 997
Mind boggling.
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