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post #511 of 997
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Originally Posted by Jmouse007 View Post

Warning, there may be a serious problem with the manufacturing of this disk. I just purchased the 3D/2D version today from BB in Southern NH. Got home, and, because I had already seen the movie in the theater I first tried to run the extended "extras" 2D Bluray disk and had problems getting it to even boot up or to play. The furthest I got was the Menu Screen but the disk either wouldn't load or would freeze my Bluray player. Sometimes the menu screen would work but it was impossible to navigate anywhere or to get any of the special features to play. I own the SONY BDP-S550 Bluray player (plays 2D only), it has the latest firmware update and have never had any problems playing any Bluray disk before, never until today. After it wouldn't play I cleaned the lense, tried blowing high pressure air on the lense and this disk still would not play or play properly. On the other hand every other Bluray disk I placed in the machine after that worked flawlessly. I then put in the 2D Bluray copy of Prometheus. It also took a very long time for the 2D movie disk to boot up but when it did, the menu screen and everything played perfectly throughout the first half of the film. The problems start when the film is over half over, when Shaw enters the room where David is washing the feet of Weyland who has been revived from hyper sleep. From that point on in the disk, MASSIVE MACRO BLOCKING and all sorts of video distortion and artifacts presents itself. The movie is nearly unwatchable throughout the remainder of the film. The audio is fine and appears unaffected. As for this 2D Bluray disk, the pause, and play work but the menu screen does not function properly either.
To make sure the problem was not with my player and not the disks I played a number of new release Blurays without any problems whatsoever.
I examined both 2D disks and they appear normal, flawless and glossy, no scratches whatsoever which leads me to believe there may be a serious, massive pressing problem from the factory. I sincerely hope this is not the case. Please other AVS members with this 3D, 2D version of Prometheus, please report your findings.
Looks like this goes back first thing tomorrow frown.gif

Yep mine does the same thing. It played fine until it got to the last few minutes of the movie then it starts breaking down, Strange thing is if I skip back a few chapters now the scenes that just played fine are also screwing up too.

Also had problems loading it. Locked up the first time and had to unplug my player to reboot. Second time managed to get it to play. Extras disc did the same thing.

edit ...So after I watched it for the first time and experiencing the problems above I took the disc out and tried playing it again. First time it wouldn't boot again so tried rebooting and it worked. Go into search function and select the chapter where it started breaking down originally and this time it played fine. I'm lost.
Edited by gnj1958 - 10/9/12 at 10:20pm
post #512 of 997
^^^ Just got mine yesterday. I haven't watched the film yet but after seeing this post I wanted to make a test. First I bought the 4-disc set, and I just tried this on the 2D disc, not the extras; this is on a Sony BDP-S570.

Disc took quite a few more seconds to go to the menu than usual. By selecting the scenes I went directly to the portion described by Jmouse007, when Shaw enters the room where David is washing the feet of Weyland who has been revived from hyper sleep, chapter 27. I confirm that it played just fine, I let it go at normal speed for a few minutes, then fast-forwarded a bit, normal again, skip to the next chapter, fast-forward again, normal again, etc, until the very end of the credits with the Weyland logo. The disc had absolutely no problem to play. My firmware is up-to-date, though it's been a while since the last update (installed automatically via wifi...).
post #513 of 997
I have a Sony S790 and played the 2D version of the movies and the deleted scenes, and had zero problems. Bought the 4 disc 3D set from Best Buy, and my player has the latest FW.
post #514 of 997
I also own a SONY BDP-S550 Bluray player (plays 2D only) and had exactly the same issues on the 2D disc. It took three efforts to load it and beginning with the scene where the female scientist gets a scan, I got severe Macro blocking.Had to reload and jump back to scene to clear it. It worked fine afterwards.
post #515 of 997
I haven't tried to load any of the discs from this set in my Panasonic DMP-BD55, but I can tell you that from my experience with American Horror Story Season One, it would appear Fox has probably got some new copy protection on the disc that is making it take even longer to load BDs in th player. Joy! rolleyes.gif
post #516 of 997
Just watched my copy on my Panny 500 no problems.
post #517 of 997

Not here! Been there done that in 4 movies after ALIEN, and sort of in another 2 cross overs. I don't think it would have worked and would have been paned as "more of the same, but better than the other's attempts".

Seems like a lot of it was ripped from AvP anyways. (Although you could say the same about this movie)
post #518 of 997
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Originally Posted by moparfan View Post

I just picked up the 3D with a trade-in for $19.99. I also don't have a 3D setup yet either, but if there a decent deal I figured I might as well get ready for that day.
Does anyone know, or have they tried, trading in Blockbuster rental DVDs?

Deal is for retail with original box only, but it's best buy so YMMV.

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Originally Posted by Partyslammer View Post

Sub-$20 for 2 Blu-rays worth of movie and content and a 3D BR that many people may or may never view if they haven't and won't move to 3D plus a dvd/digital download disc aka coaster is still a decent deal, imo. You could probably sell the 3D BR by itself on eBay for $10.

Probably more than that. I've been looking for the Tron Legacy 3D BD only (after buying the digital copy and regular BD missing the 3D cheap), and haven't found the a disc under $20+ shipped.

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Originally Posted by Matt_Stevens View Post

The ONLY reason I have not purchased this film at all is the lack of those extras on the normal release. I never view 3D at home. I despise it and it gives me a damned headache.
FOX lost out on my money because of this stupid decision. Honestly, this is nuts. 3D is not the preferred viewing model for most people. Even high end viewers.

Why not take BestBuy up on their $24.99 price and $5 DVD trade in for ~$22 after tax? $22 out of pocket seems reasonable for a CE packed with another disc, and you'll have a nice coaster of a 3D disc, or can sell it, or even future proof the movie for when you upgrade to a 4K 3D set. MSRP is $45, but that not what you'll be paying. Guess it comes down to how bad you want it, which is really how studios make their money. I'm sure they'll be more sales for turkey day and xmas, and price drops in the future.

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Originally Posted by IanD View Post

Also, how did the squid grow? I didn't think there was a source of food in the medlab that could provide enough calories.

I get a lot of the criticisms, but this one I don't, and it's rather lazy. Who says xenomorphic life wants steaks and happy meals? For all the killing they did, they never eat their victims. Flesh seems to be a reproductive need, not a nutritional one.

A lifeform made of carbon fiber, titanium, and having acid for blood probably finds metals and other elements pretty tasty. Ships have plenty to snack on if that's the case. The xeno growth in Alien was never explained and likewise deductions were made and accepted (little guy hit up a ship pantry).
Edited by TyrantII - 10/10/12 at 7:51am
post #519 of 997
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Originally Posted by IanD View Post

Also, how did the squid grow? I didn't think there was a source of food in the medlab that could provide enough calories.
This problem has been around since the first Alien movie, where a tiny chestburster grew into a huge monster within hours, apparently without eating anything. tongue.gif

I watched the 3D version last night on my Epson 5010 and was positively surprised not only by the movie, but also the 3D. After the earlier discussions in this thread I was expecting a mediocre presentation, but I think the 3D is one of the most natural and impressive of any live-action movie I have seen so far. I don't think I will ever watch the 2D version if I have a choice.
post #520 of 997
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Originally Posted by Rigby Reardon View Post

I watched the 3D version last night on my Epson 5010 and was positively surprised not only by the movie, but also the 3D. After the earlier discussions in this thread I was expecting a mediocre presentation, but I think the 3D is one of the most natural and impressive of any live-action movie I have seen so far. I don't think I will ever watch the 2D version if I have a choice.

Agree. As Avatar is reference for 3D CGI film: Prometheus is for live action 3D.

It's not gimmicky, but it's utterly engrossing because it feels very, very real. Shots in the ships or caverns feel as such, and then the landscapes tend to really blow you away and make you feel like you're sitting at the bottom of a valley, looking out over the landscape. It's the kind of 3D I can get behind, because there's no obtuse perspective uses that tend to make me feel crosseyed or hurt the brain which knows somethings wrong because of an exaggerate, unrealistic computer generated perspective.
post #521 of 997
isn't the 30+ minutes of deleted scenes the same as what would have been included on an Extended Cut?
post #522 of 997
Thread Starter 
Some of it but there are scenes not on the disc that were filmed
post #523 of 997
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Originally Posted by TyrantII View Post

Agree. As Avatar is reference for 3D CGI film: Prometheus is for live action 3D.
It's not gimmicky, but it's utterly engrossing because it feels very, very real. Shots in the ships or caverns feel as such, and then the landscapes tend to really blow you away and make you feel like you're sitting at the bottom of a valley, looking out over the landscape. It's the kind of 3D I can get behind, because there's no obtuse perspective uses that tend to make me feel crosseyed or hurt the brain which knows somethings wrong because of an exaggerate, unrealistic computer generated perspective.

I'll have to watch the 3D version tonight ( watched 2D last night ). I will say for best live action 3D, my vote goes to Titanic. My opinion might change after I watch Prometheus tonight, but Titanic blew me away, especially considering this film was not originally filmed for 3D.
post #524 of 997
No problems playing the 2D movie + 2nd BR on older Panny players. The 2nd disc *does* take a long time to load and cue up to the main menu though - probably the longest load time of any BR I have seen. Interestingly, the "new" movie BR went to the last scene I watched on my pre-street date review BR I had received several weeks ago.
post #525 of 997
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Originally Posted by rr6966 View Post

I'll have to watch the 3D version tonight ( watched 2D last night ). I will say for best live action 3D, my vote goes to Titanic. My opinion might change after I watch Prometheus tonight, but Titanic blew me away, especially considering this film was not originally filmed for 3D.

Haven't seen it yet, but I have big issues with post converts. I just can't get past the Viewmaster 3D levels of depth (multiple 2D layers superposed on top of each other). It just screams gimmick to me, and why bother since those films were not filmed with 3D as part of the cinematography (mostly).

Prometheus actually has a neat little easteregg from the Lawrence of Arabia restoration:
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
where they took the restoration and did a small 3D post convert of a scene. While it is neat seeing a 50 year old film in 3D, even done well you can tell it's 2D post 3D

IMHO of course.
post #526 of 997
Thread Starter 
I thought it looked good in the film, like a holograph
post #527 of 997
I totally agree about post 3D conversions, but James Cameron did a masterful job with Titanic, so IMHO this movie is the exception.
post #528 of 997
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I just can't get past the Viewmaster 3D levels of depth (multiple 2D layers superposed on top of each other). It just screams gimmick to me

I don't know, Titanic looked pretty damned convincing to me and not gimmicky at all. I can't wait to pick this one up. I'll post back my thoughts after watching it in 3D. Hopefully my Darbee will also be in the mail today!
post #529 of 997
I had no problems last night watching the 2D feature disc of the 4-disc 3D set using my Sony BDP-S590 connected to an HDMI 1.3 pre/pro and a 2D projector. Both the feature film and the accompanying extras played fine. The player's firmware has only been updated once, immediately after I got it several months ago, because it refused to let DLNA be selected until I did.

I have not yet watched the separate Extras disc.

ETA:
I purchased my set at Best Buy. I did not "trade in" any of my DVDs, though.
Edited by Selden Ball - 10/10/12 at 11:42am
post #530 of 997
JUST got my 4 disc Collectors Edition :DDD
post #531 of 997
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Originally Posted by pokekevin View Post

JUST got my 4 disc Collectors Edition :DDD

Argh! Lucky. I'll be sitting looking out the window for my UPS truck to arrive with mine.
post #532 of 997
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Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post

Argh! Lucky. I'll be sitting looking out the window for my UPS truck to arrive with mine.

these UPS and Fedex guys don't realize the stress they're causing to us lol

...I finally cancelled my preorder as shipping + taxes was a bit too much compared to my local hmv price (custom cover on its way then! biggrin.gif)... I have no use for the 3D disc but I wouldn't have wanted anything other than this 4-disc set. I've seen only fragments of the film on Blu-ray but what I saw looked simply gorgeous. Can't wait to watch it again tonight.
post #533 of 997
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Originally Posted by TyrantII View Post


Seems like a lot of it was ripped from AvP anyways. (Although you could say the same about this movie)
True, that....

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Originally Posted by TyrantII View Post


I get a lot of the criticisms, but this one I don't, and it's rather lazy. Who says xenomorphic life wants steaks and happy meals? For all the killing they did, they never eat their victims. Flesh seems to be a reproductive need, not a nutritional one.
Although the movies don't really go into it, the Dark Horse novel series does.
The Aliens are carnivorous, and if necessary, will eat any meat available.....wink.gif
post #534 of 997
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Originally Posted by rr6966 View Post

I totally agree about post 3D conversions, but James Cameron did a masterful job with Titanic, so IMHO this movie is the exception.

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Originally Posted by blastermaster View Post

I don't know, Titanic looked pretty damned convincing to me and not gimmicky at all. I can't wait to pick this one up. I'll post back my thoughts after watching it in 3D. Hopefully my Darbee will also be in the mail today!

Probably one of those "exceptions", where maybe they did a lot of computer post and trickery to make it almost seamless? For a movie like Titanic I could see that being the case, I'll have to check it out. Regards for the heads up.
post #535 of 997
Watched some of Prometheus 2D last night. Exceptional picture quality (though sharpness varies). And the sound design and overall sound quality, including the dialogue and the beautiful attention to detail in terms of reverbs
and setting the sound of the actors/foley/fx in the sonic location, was superb. Easily among the best Blu-Ray sound tracks I've ever heard in my system. Overall the experience is very cinematic.
post #536 of 997
Played the 2D disc on a sony playstation...no issues.

Ridley's commentary is awesome. And it answers tons of questions you ask yourself on the first viewing.
post #537 of 997
OK, some of you guys don't understand English. smile.gif3D gives me a headache when watching at home. It's terribly painfully horrible.

It happens in theaters IF the picture is dim. That is why I only go to IMAX for 3D movies. No brightness issues. That is how I saw this film originally and I quite enjoyed it, despite the annoying glasses.

At home, no solution has presented itself. I cannot watch 3D. Just can't. FOX should have made those extras available on the regular release.

EDIT: I've no clue what the trade-in-DVD thingie is you guys are talking about.
Edited by Matt_Stevens - 10/10/12 at 4:20pm
post #538 of 997
Thread Starter 
It's a deluxe release, not a 3d release simple.
It had the 3d and the 2d and the extras, English does not come into it sorry. You want the cheap one disc buy that, if not it's the deluxe set.
post #539 of 997
SO- what's this DVD trading thing at Best Buy?

Where's the info, and how long is the deal going to last...

Thanks

Djoel
post #540 of 997
Just got thru watching the deleted scenes and for once I actually think they would have made the movie far, far better. Several key scenes really flesh out the story in interesting ways that were only hinted at in the theatrical cut. In particular a scene where Yanek talks to Vickers about an experience he had at a military complex on Earth, an extended sequence where Weyland speaks to the engineer and basically considers himself a god who wants to live forever, and Shaw's final confrontation with the engineer and her exchange with David all are far far more interesting than the versions that were shown theatrically. An alternate scene of a much more alien looking Fifield attacking his crewmates was also more interesting than what we got in the final cut.

In watching the making of feature it becomes pretty clear that Ridley Scott gets so many ideas while he's prepping a film that he can easily outstmart himself, changing a sequence that works perfectly fine with something which at first might appear better but in retrospect is probably a step backward.
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