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post #61 of 997
Depending on your criteria will dictate on whether it is a safe blind buy.
Assuming you want great eye and ear candy then this title will do so in spades, especially for 3-D.
Now if you expect an excellent balance of V/A wow factor to compliment a compelling narrative you may want to look elsewhere.

My impressions after one, opening night, viewing overall were mixed, some great things and frustration with other aspects. I have no qualms with story that is ambiguous and ripe for interpretation rather than spelling every bit of minutiae in irrefutable detail. Unfortunately I currently do not feel that Prometheus accomplishes the former.

Best Regards
KvE
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Originally Posted by KMFDMvsEnya View Post

Depending on your criteria will dictate on whether it is a safe blind buy.
Assuming you want great eye and ear candy then this title will do so in spades, especially for 3-D.
Now if you expect an excellent balance of V/A wow factor to compliment a compelling narrative you may want to look elsewhere.
My impressions after one, opening night, viewing overall were mixed, some great things and frustration with other aspects. I have no qualms with story that is ambiguous and ripe for interpretation rather than spelling every bit of minutiae in irrefutable detail. Unfortunately I currently do not feel that Prometheus accomplishes the former.
Best Regards
KvE


Speak for yourself
post #63 of 997
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Originally Posted by dvdmike007 View Post

Speak for yourself

Thought it was implicitly clear in my post that I was, ahem, speaking for myself.


hal9000.jpg
"Look Dave, I can see you're really upset about this. I honestly think you ought to sit down calmly, take a stress pill, and think things over."

Best Regards
KvE
post #64 of 997
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Originally Posted by Schils View Post

Great input from every angle, enjoying the discussion....however, you're all making this one a tough decision to blind buy for those of us on the fence, lol!!!!
It's still in theaters ya know wink.gif
post #65 of 997
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Originally Posted by KMFDMvsEnya View Post

Thought it was implicitly clear in my post that I was, ahem, speaking for myself.
hal9000.jpg
"Look Dave, I can see you're really upset about this. I honestly think you ought to sit down calmly, take a stress pill, and think things over."
Best Regards
KvE

That was a definitive statement
post #66 of 997
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Originally Posted by Schils View Post

Great input from every angle, enjoying the discussion....however, you're all making this one a tough decision to blind buy for those of us on the fence, lol!!!!

Since this is AVS, the content of the movie matters little. If the transfer is good, it should be a reference material disc. It also one of the top 2-3 best uses of 3D IMO, and give's Avatar a real run for it's money; exception being this is live action, prop and set work, and minimalistic CGI. Soundtrack was a little underwhelming in places, but the sound and cinematography were great.

Personally I like the content of the story too. Just be prepared to watch a mystery unfold and being as clueless as the people in the movie to as where it's going or why it all happened. I'm fine with that, but it makes others really mad that we see this carefully created world and background to not get any perspective into it besides what our explorers see and deduct. From start to finished, that's left for another story. Maybe.
post #67 of 997
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Originally Posted by TyrantII View Post

Soundtrack was a little underwhelming in places
I noticed that too.

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Personally I like the content of the story too. Just be prepared to watch a mystery unfold and being as clueless as the people in the movie to as where it's going or why it all happened. I'm fine with that, but it makes others really mad that we see this carefully created world and background to not get any perspective into it besides what our explorers see and deduct. From start to finished, that's left for another story. Maybe.
+1
Prometheus could have been a better movie....hopefully, RS will tie it all up and hit it out of the park in the sequel.
post #68 of 997
I wanted this to be my first Imax 3D movie but it sounds iffy. How do you even go about finding out if a theater is showing a movie in 4K 48fps 3D?
post #69 of 997
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It's still in theaters ya know wink.gif

lol! True.smile.gif

I just spoke to a buddy who mentioned wanting to see it as well, looks like we're gonna try this weekend. This thread has made things helpful regardless...I know now not to go in expecting to be wowed by the depth of the story and thus maybe will get surprised by it. Maybe. So few "decent" sci-fi flicks these days. Shame. Thanks again for the last handful of posts/thoughts!
post #70 of 997
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Originally Posted by Kingcarcas View Post

I wanted this to be my first Imax 3D movie but it sounds iffy. How do you even go about finding out if a theater is showing a movie in 4K 48fps 3D?
This movie is not shot in 48fps nor mastered in 4K so pretty much any digital 3D screen will be up to the task.
post #71 of 997
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Since this is AVS, the content of the movie matters little.

Well that's a shame cause the main reason for me to be an avs member is because I love movies, not well transfered turds. wink.gif
post #72 of 997
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Red Letter Media
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x1YuvUQFJ0

KvE

that's so awesome.
post #73 of 997
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Well that's a shame cause the main reason for me to be an avs member is because I love movies, not well transfered turds. wink.gif
True, that....wink.gif
post #74 of 997
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Ridley said it himself.. "This isn't a science class, it's a movie." It was never meant to be a life-changing experience, it's just a movie, designed to entertain and to make money. That's all. Anything beyond that is wishful thinking.

Oh no, it's the dreaded "why all the criticism, it's just a movie!" post.

Anyone compelled to post this complaint should do everyone a favor and read the link below. Thank you for your attention.

http://www.racialicious.com/2009/12/21/and-we-shall-call-this-moffs-law/
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I acknowledge that the film has flaws. But I don't care. They do not lessen my enjoyment of the film, and they will not stop me from buying the Blu-ray.
My point above was the extreme level of utter hatred that people have for this film. The only conceivable reason for this could be that the people who hate the film so violently had some kind of personal interest in what they wanted the film to be, and were emotionally devastated when the film didn't meet that level of expectation.

Your hyperbole aside: of course people go into certain movies with expectations. Why do you think anyone gets so excited by certain names attached to a movie (e.g. Spielberg, Scorsese, Terrence Malick, Ridley Scott, Kubrick, and on and on)? It's expectations that bring many people to the theater in the first place. Otherwise, who would care that this was Ridley Scott returning to sci-fi in the first place????? Sheesh.

If you went to a restaurant of a renowned Michelin-starred chef and were served Kraft Dinner, would it be silly for you to be disappointed? "Well...silly you for having expectations!"

Much like Kubrick, Ridley's 2 Sci-Fi movies had massive impact on many who saw them, and influenced much of the film industry. They have provided 30 years worth of pleasure for many of us because it is so rare for other directors in the genre to have achieved what Scott did. So OF COURSE people get excited and come to Prometheus with, if not high expectations at least high hopes for a similar level of quality work in that genre. Note: QUALITY WORK. It's not an expectation for some plot we all had figured out in our head. It's merely the hope for QUALITY WORK in terms of beautiful, intelligently produced sci-fi. That's all most of us asked or hoped for. Of course there is going to be passion about the film, either by those who loved it or from those who are disappointing. Ridley Scott engenders this kind of expectation and passion from his previous sci-fi track record. If this confuses you...I can't imagine why.
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The only other time I've seen anything even approaching this level of negativity are the SW prequels, and that's a known quantity of "didn't meet my personal expectations", and people who are unable to enjoy films for what they are instead of what you want them to be.

Moff's Law Again:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MoffsLaw

Moff's Law

"At some point during a discussion on a work in pop culture, the probability of someone stating a variation of "Why can't you just enjoy it for what it is?" in order to dismiss critical analysis is high."

So...what? Time for everyone to stop critiquing films? (There are whole magazines and books devoted to film criticism). ANY critique of or disappointment with any movie element reduces in some way to not measuring up to one's expectations. I really enjoyed much of Prometheus, but on the other hand I was disappointed by some of the laziest-looking script writing I've seen in a long time. Under your rules, how do I express my disappointments? You can say to ANY disappointment or critique of a film: "Why didn't you just enjoy it for what it WAS?" So your advice does not seem at all helpful.

I'm very much looking forward to owning the Blu-Ray, to re-experience the elements I enjoyed in the movie (the look, design, certain performances and moments...)
Edited by R Harkness - 7/10/12 at 7:14pm
post #75 of 997
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So...what? Time for everyone to stop critiquing films? (There are whole magazines and books devoted to film criticism). ANY critique of or disappointment with any movie element reduces in some way to not measuring up to one's expectations.
I appreciate thoughtful, insightful criticism, but let's face it: that ain't 99% of what you read on the internet. It does get very tiresome reading the same whining about certain films regurgitated in every single freakin' discussion that comes up about them from people who just can't move on. (This also applies to pretty much any fanboy-sensitive subject matter, like video games, music, Apple products, etc) It isn't productive/constructive/interesting/enlightening and I really wish that sort of thing would stop polluting internet forums.
post #76 of 997
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Originally Posted by 42041 View Post

I appreciate thoughtful, insightful criticism, but let's face it: that ain't 99% of what you read on the internet. It does get very tiresome reading the same whining about certain films regurgitated in every single freakin' discussion that comes up about them from people who just can't move on. (This also applies to pretty much any fanboy-sensitive subject matter, like video games, music, Apple products, etc) It isn't productive/constructive/interesting/enlightening and I really wish that sort of thing would stop polluting internet forums.

As far as I can tell there is a concentrated, but amorphous hate campaign against Damon Lindelof, due to how Lost wrapped. I think a good amount of the faux outrage is simply slander to tie up him in the worst parts of the movie and magnify them. Twitter and social media really, really magnify people's ability to create static; especially in entertainment. Doubly so when you realize the internet is where people go to vent and complain, not praise or commend. There was a similar push again JJ Trek 09, with an allied push from the Lost butthurt crowd and the super trekkies so worried their memorized canon was suddenly wiped out with a pen stroke. Then there's the autistic and manic element to some of the trollings; worrying about slightly ajar doors, where folded up ladders came from and how the technology functions in that world, ect et al. EVERYTHING MUST BE SPELLED OUT AND PUT ON SCREEN OR IT IS JUST ASSUMPTION. Personally a movie that tells and doesn't show is sub-par and fails at using the medium for what it's best at. Isn't that the problem with George Lucas's new films, or do we now want to be told it's a damn poison dart?

People seem to forget a lot of the same knee jerk reactions and complaint were levied at both ALIEN and Blade Runner, but by print media at a time before the tubes. Critics didn't like them at all, while they made money silently from a small band of fans, and went on to really shine years later in retrospect, and in home markets. It especially took Cameron's ALIENS to allow people to revisit ALIEN and appreciate it more for what it was, then what they wanted. I sort of feel Prometheus has the seeds to do the same, even if not to the same level. Sure the plot used quite a few cliche Macguffins to move forward the characters, but many seem to forget Scott pioneered some of them in terms of use in scifi. Some of the worst offenders that put people off as flaws, I tend to see as homages or allusions to his previous work or work elsewhere. They work less now because everyone and their mothers have given their take on what he did first in ALIEN, but that doesn't make the reference any less worthy. It just means it is what it is, entertainment, homage and some interesting concepts.

I really think a lot of people went into the movie expecting ALIEN 0.5 or a concrete telling of the history that lead to the alien franchise. Instead they got a character study that followed two individuals through a rabbit-hole and into an unexplained wonderland. When you realize the point of the plot is that it isn't the movie, but the device to move the characters along, the movie seems to fall more into perspective. It's makes for interesting debate and reflection, but ultimately this was Shaw and Davids story. Who they are, what happens to them, how they change and where they're headed.

Likewise, I'm looking forward to following Dante and Virgil further into the abyss in a sequel, should on be greenlit. If this movie can scrap together another 35 million or so it'll have matched ALIEN adjusted ticket sales for highest grossing film in the franchise (already #1 unadjusted).

Not a bad feat for a load of crap movie...


Edit: I'd also say this is a film that gets better with a second viewing. A lot of information can and is garnered for the sets, the actors and actresses performances, and subtle dialogue. One instance I completely missed a very important conversation between Shaw and Janek which involved a promise and understanding, just because I was still comprehending the significance of scenes directly prior. There's information to be had simply by looking at murals on the set walls, and comparing the character designs of the prologue and later changes Scott made to the engineers. I missed quite a bit and even felt the pacing was cut too fast first viewing. Paying attention more the second to each performance, and understanding how key almost all scenes were, it felt much more cohesive. The biggest flaw was Fifield IMO, and not the normal complaints, but that his involvement in the third act seems to have completely changed and confused a ton of people to what he really was, and exactly what the goo did. Going with a more human looking mutation, in the age of the pop culture zombie apocalypse, was a very poor choice at giving viewers information. His role was butchered, but it appears to been done to save the 117 min runtime.
Edited by TyrantII - 7/10/12 at 4:59pm
post #77 of 997
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Originally Posted by TyrantII View Post

As far as I can tell there is a concentrated, but amorphous hate campaign against Damon Lindelof, due to how Lost wrapped. I think a good amount of the faux outrage is simply slander to tie up him in the worst parts of the movie and magnify them. Twitter and social media really, really magnify people's ability to create static; especially in entertainment. Doubly so when you realize the internet is where people go to vent and complain, not praise or commend. There was a similar push again JJ Trek 09, with an allied push from the Lost butthurt crowd and the super trekkies so worried their memorized canon was suddenly wiped out with a pen stroke. Then there's the autistic and manic element to some of the trollings; worrying about slightly ajar doors, where folded up ladders came from and how the technology functions in that world, ect et al. EVERYTHING MUST BE SPELLED OUT AND PUT ON SCREEN OR IT IS JUST ASSUMPTION. Personally a movie that tells and doesn't show is sub-par and fails at using the medium for what it's best at. Isn't that the problem with George Lucas's new films, or do we now want to be told it's a damn poison dart?
People seem to forget a lot of the same knee jerk reactions and complaint were levied at both ALIEN and Blade Runner, but by print media at a time before the tubes. Critics didn't like them at all, while they made money silently from a small band of fans, and went on to really shine years later in retrospect, and in home markets. It especially took Cameron's ALIENS to allow people to revisit ALIEN and appreciate it more for what it was, then what they wanted. I sort of feel Prometheus has the seeds to do the same, even if not to the same level. Sure the plot used quite a few cliche Macguffins to move forward the characters, but many seem to forget Scott pioneered some of them in terms of use in scifi. Some of the worst offenders that put people off as flaws, I tend to see as homages or allusions to his previous work or work elsewhere. They work less now because everyone and their mothers have given their take on what he did first in ALIEN, but that doesn't make the reference any less worthy. It just means it is what it is, entertainment, homage and some interesting concepts.
I really think a lot of people went into the movie expecting ALIEN 0.5 or a concrete telling of the history that lead to the alien franchise. Instead they got a character study that followed two individuals through a rabbit-hole and into an unexplained wonderland. When you realize the point of the plot is that it isn't the movie, but the device to move the characters along, the movie seems to fall more into perspective. It's makes for interesting debate and reflection, but ultimately this was Shaw and Davids story. Who they are, what happens to them, how they change and where they're headed.
Likewise, I'm looking forward to following Dante and Virgil further into the abyss in a sequel, should on be greenlit. If this movie can scrap together another 35 million or so it'll have matched ALIEN adjusted ticket sales for highest grossing film in the franchise (already #1 unadjusted).
Not a bad feat for a load of crap movie...

Piss poor writing is piss poor writing, he is a joke but he gets stuff done fast and easy the also with the dreaded Kurtzman and Orcii are the Brett Ratners of the writing world.

For the record I am fine with how Lost ended
post #78 of 997
I felt the dialogue in Prometheus was rather good, but as stated some of the plot mcguffens were sub-par, or just cliche. Except one horrible line, that ruined a pretty damn good scene otherwise, that Theron had to utter.

I'll blame that one on Lindelof. I could see him scream "Yes! This is brilliant!"

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post #79 of 997
All the Characters in Prometheus belonged in "Jason X"... sadly.
post #80 of 997
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Originally Posted by TyrantII View Post

As far as I can tell there is a concentrated, but amorphous hate campaign against Damon Lindelof, due to how Lost wrapped. I think a good amount of the faux outrage is simply slander to tie up him in the worst parts of the movie and magnify them.

Did you have fun building that straw man?

I for one loved Lost from beginning to end, even the finale. Prometheus, on the other hand, is a s**t movie with one of the worst screenplays produced in decades. How much of that was Lindelof's fault, how much was the fault of the original John Spaihts script that Lindelof was brought in to polish, and how much was Ridley Scott's fault for forcing his writers to dumb down their concepts, I have no idea. All I can judge is the final result on screen, which is an embarrassment for everyone involved.
post #81 of 997
Check out twitter. It's not a straw man, It's palpable.
post #82 of 997
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Check out twitter. It's not a straw man, It's palpable.

You might as well go to a Kindergarten class and ask the kids what they thought of it. Admittedly, this may not be entirely a fair comparison, as the intellectual capability of a 5-year-old is slightly higher than that of the average Twitter user.
post #83 of 997
We can, and have, argued back and forth over various plot points.
Generally, both sides have had a valid points of view.
Most of the time it has been resolved when it becomes apparent people missed something presented in the movie.

However, there is one element to the film I have yet to hear anyone here support: stupid scientists.
AFAIK, no one is approving of throwing such character traits into Prometheus.
If there is a weakness, it is THAT.
Simply changing these people to resemble the "real deal" would have had an extremely positive impact on the movie (IMO).
post #84 of 997
In case this wasn't posted earlier:

http://penny-arcade.com/comic/2012/06/13
post #85 of 997
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However, there is one element to the film I have yet to hear anyone here support: stupid scientists.
AFAIK, no one is approving of throwing such character traits into Prometheus.
If there is a weakness, it is THAT.
Simply changing these people to resemble the "real deal" would have had an extremely positive impact on the movie (IMO).
Well, I don't think the movie ever said they were academic rock stars. Maybe they were just... stupid scientists? wink.gif
post #86 of 997
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

We can, and have, argued back and forth over various plot points.
Generally, both sides have had a valid points of view.
Most of the time it has been resolved when it becomes apparent people missed something presented in the movie.
However, there is one element to the film I have yet to hear anyone here support: stupid scientists.
AFAIK, no one is approving of throwing such character traits into Prometheus.
If there is a weakness, it is THAT.
Simply changing these people to resemble the "real deal" would have had an extremely positive impact on the movie (IMO).


+1000

the stupidity of the "scientists" added nothing to the plot and just seem contrived as a convenient way to kill off the crew.

they could just have easily been killed by the engineers, black goo, or the aliens with their helmets on.
post #87 of 997
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Well, I don't think the movie ever said they were academic rock stars. Maybe they were just... stupid scientists? wink.gif

Do you honestly think it was a good idea to base a whole movie around the stupid decisions of stupid scientists? If that's the sort of movie Ridley Scott wanted to make, he should have cast Jim Carrey and Adam Sandler in the leads and played it as an intentional comedy.
post #88 of 997
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You might as well go to a Kindergarten class and ask the kids what they thought of it. Admittedly, this may not be entirely a fair comparison, as the intellectual capability of a 5-year-old is slightly higher than that of the average Twitter user.

Well, twitter, facebook, social media, various message boards.

Pretty much everywhere but a few Prometheus fan/news sites it's popped it's head. I'm not saying it's here, but it ain't a straw man.

Lind's is got a hipster geek bounty on his head

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post #89 of 997
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Well, I don't think the movie ever said they were academic rock stars. Maybe they were just... stupid scientists? wink.gif
If Scott had replaced their IQ with a number that was plausible (for a scientist), Prometheus would have ended up more in the vein of his great Alien, as in true sci-fi horror.
And wouldn't THAT have been grand?wink.gif
post #90 of 997
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

Do you honestly think it was a good idea to base a whole movie around the stupid decisions of stupid scientists? If that's the sort of movie Ridley Scott wanted to make, he should have cast Jim Carrey and Adam Sandler in the leads and played it as an intentional comedy.
It honestly didn't bother me. I'm used to characters in horror movies doing dumb stuff to keep things moving. Sure the script is dopey, but a movie is more than a script. Alien would be nothing without the atmosphere, the design, the visuals, etc; it'd be a run of the mill monster movie. And Prometheus had the same sort of appeal to me.
What bothered me more than the characters was the Lost-eqsue mumbo-jumbo that smacks of insipid TV writing, and when The Thing Fom Another World woke up and started punching people... surely there's something more creative they could've done with the space jockey. But it is what it is. Am I the only one who didn't set his expectations sky high? It's not like Ridley Scott has been cranking out masterpiece after masterpiece since Blade Runner...
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