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post #691 of 997
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Originally Posted by Franin View Post

Didn't realise that, thanks for letting us know I thought I had a special version smile.gif


Hey Frank sorry if I lead you to believe there are several version of Prometheus other than non 3D, and 2D....

Correct me if I'm wrong or if this is just here in the States, the 3D version comes with all the extra footage, and not the 2D?

Thanks

Djoel
post #692 of 997
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Originally Posted by Djoel View Post

Hey Frank sorry if I lead you to believe there are several version of Prometheus other than non 3D, and 2D....
Correct me if I'm wrong or if this is just here in the States, the 3D version comes with all the extra footage, and not the 2D?
Thanks
Djoel

That question implies the film has the extra footage in it too. Yes the 4 disc set has the extras disc that includes some of the footage cut from the final version.


Well I did a firmware update and I skimmed through the disc watching a few seconds of each chapter and didn't notice any flaws this time but I'll have to sit and watch the whole movie (for the third time lol) to verify if the problem is solved. While I was at BB swapping my Prometheus blu ray I took advantage of the DVD trade in program and got 4 blu rays one of which was Law Abiding Citizen. Tried playing the unrated disc and my player won't even recognize the disc. Theatrical disc plays fine. I haven't bought any blu rays in months and two of the discs I bought recently have problems. This **** is supposed to get better over time not worse.
post #693 of 997
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Originally Posted by Djoel View Post

Hey Frank sorry if I lead you to believe there are several version of Prometheus other than non 3D, and 2D....
Correct me if I'm wrong or if this is just here in the States, the 3D version comes with all the extra footage, and not the 2D?
Thanks
Djoel

That's ok Djoel you didn't do anything wrong I only mentioned it as the video store has a big poster mentioning alternate beginning and alternate ending. smile.gif

I couldn't answer that yet as I never got the chance to see the 3D copy.
post #694 of 997
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Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post

I doubt anyone here is saying that it is AS GOOD AS Alien however it was pretty good. I liked it. I think Alien and Blade Runner are a bit overrated. Yup. I said it. I do still like both and own all these movies listed.
I'm sure if Prometheus had come out in the 70's and Alien had just come out now, you'd be saying how it's just a dumb monster movie with chase scenes and easy scares. rolleyes.giftongue.gif
Josh is only fond of Alien and BR...it's that simple.
post #695 of 997
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

To each their own, but I really have trouble believing that anyone could consider Body of Lies to be a work on par with Alien or Blade Runner.

It's not on par body of lies is a better film than Blade Runner.
post #696 of 997
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

Then how does that account for how astoundingly terrible this movie turned out to be?

That is your opinion. Also, you happen to be in the minority with that opinion. The film is generally well liked and received decent reviews. Currently 73% on RT and 7.3 on IMDB.

Its a good film. Sure it has some flaws, but for a science fiction made today, it bests most other recent releases of the genre, and stacks up pretty well to the older films. Problem is most people view the older films with nostalgia and through rose colored goggles, while they have plot holes, questionable writing, and flaws as well. Years from now you will see Prometheus being regarded as a great sci-fi release. Stop being so negative and try to just enjoy things.
post #697 of 997
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Originally Posted by moparfan 
Is Josh Z playing the cool contra role here or is this how he approaches reviews?

You can very easily find out for yourself.
post #698 of 997
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Originally Posted by oink 
Josh is only fond of Alien and BR...it's that simple.

Of Ridley Scott's movies, that is correct.
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Originally Posted by Franin 
It's not on par body of lies is a better film than Blade Runner.

Someone here accused me of having bad taste??? Dear lord...
post #699 of 997
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Originally Posted by Meteor | WAR 
That is your opinion. Also, you happen to be in the minority with that opinion. The film is generally well liked and received decent reviews. Currently 73% on RT and 7.3 on IMDB.

Does it comfort you to believe that you're in a majority? Does your opinion require validation from others?

At the time of its release, The Phantom Menace was also generally well liked (it's still the highest grossing of all the Star Wars films) and received decent reviews (Roger Ebert gave it 3.5 out of 4 stars.) Does that make The Phantom Menace a great movie?
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Problem is most people view the older films with nostalgia and through rose colored goggles, while they have plot holes, questionable writing, and flaws as well.

Not to anywhere near the level that Prometheus does. There is a significant difference between one movie that has a minor plot hole, and another movie that is fundamentally stupid at every level from conception through execution. Just because both are "flawed" does not make them equivalent to one another.
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Years from now you will see Prometheus being regarded as a great sci-fi release.

Want to put money on that? How well is the reputation of The Phantom Menace holding up?
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Stop being so negative and try to just enjoy things.

In other words: "Shut off your brain. Movies is dumb anyways." Sorry, but I don't find that to be a compelling argument.
post #700 of 997
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

Does it comfort you to believe that you're in a majority? Does your opinion require validation from others?
At the time of its release, The Phantom Menace was also generally well liked (it's still the highest grossing of all the Star Wars films) and received decent reviews (Roger Ebert gave it 3.5 out of 4 stars.) Does that make The Phantom Menace a great movie?
Not to anywhere near the level that Prometheus does. There is a significant difference between one movie that has a minor plot hole, and another movie that is fundamentally stupid at every level from conception through execution. Just because both are "flawed" does not make them equivalent to one another.
Want to put money on that? How well is the reputation of The Phantom Menace holding up?
In other words: "Shut off your brain. Movies is dumb anyways." Sorry, but I don't find that to be a compelling argument.

You seriously just compared prometheus to phantom menace? Seriously? Hyperbole in extremis
post #701 of 997
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Originally Posted by dvdmike007 View Post

You seriously just compared prometheus to phantom menace? Seriously? Hyperbole in extremis

+1
post #702 of 997
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

Does it comfort you to believe that you're in a majority? Does your opinion require validation from others?
At the time of its release, The Phantom Menace was also generally well liked (it's still the highest grossing of all the Star Wars films) and received decent reviews (Roger Ebert gave it 3.5 out of 4 stars.) Does that make The Phantom Menace a great movie?

Was just pointing out that a movie you regarded as "astoundingly terrible" is generally well liked. You don't see the problem there? Is it out of the realm of possibility maybe you don't have the best taste in movies?
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Not to anywhere near the level that Prometheus does. There is a significant difference between one movie that has a minor plot hole, and another movie that is fundamentally stupid at every level from conception through execution. Just because both are "flawed" does not make them equivalent to one another.

This is not even an opinion, it is inaccurate. Most of the "plot holes" people initially complained about in Prometheus can be explained. I will not even attempt to get back into that god awful runaround but I will say, I am confident I can give an explanation--corroborated by plot points given in the film--to any of your alleged plot holes save for one, and that would be the scene with Millburn attempting to interact with the worm monster. The character's behavior there didn't make much sense given the situation, and I feel the scene was simply there to serve the purpose of the film's first elaborate death scene which was pretty awesome.
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Want to put money on that? How well is the reputation of The Phantom Menace holding up?

Its an unfair comparison. The Phantom Menace was a direct prequel to a film series that could NEVER be done justice, and by a director who has fallen so far out of what he used to be. Prometheus is a different type of film than its predecessors, but set in the same universe. I feel as if they did this intentionally as to be judged on its own and prevent it from living in the shadow of Alien, yet people still put it there anyway.
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In other words: "Shut off your brain. Movies is dumb anyways." Sorry, but I don't find that to be a compelling argument.

I didn't say shut off your brain. But I do think people should try to focus more on the film's positives, which it has more of, than its negatives. But it just seems some fans are so butt hurt from it not being what they expected that they refuse to do this. Prometheus was written with an agenda, to get people talking about it. I think it succeeded immensely. I love movies that get me trying to put my own interpretations on, and I hope there's more on the way.
post #703 of 997
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Originally Posted by dvdmike007 View Post

You seriously just compared prometheus to phantom menace? Seriously? Hyperbole in extremis

I don't think it's an unfair comparison at all.

I actually generally enjoyed Prometheus. It had great design and look and bumbled along at a pace showing me wild things that I found entertaining.

At the same time it had more "WTF were the film-makers thinking?" moments than any other movie I can think of in recent memory. It's not for nothing that, as for Lucas' sequels, a virtual cottage industry has sprung up mocking the idiocies of the characters and bizarre plot holes in Prometheus. In fact for it's critics, and there are many, the parallel between Lucas' Star Wars prequels and Ridley's Prometheus is bang on: both seem to suffer from a situation in which the director was held in such reverence, and people felt so lucky to be working on the project at all, that there seemed no one willing to tell Lucas or Scott "Hey...that's a bad idea." and "That doesn't quite make sense." (One really gets that feeling from the scriptwriters after the movie was released who seemed sheepish and essentially portrayed themselves as "just following Ridley's orders" in how everything came out).

So I think the comparison is quite apt.

(And for me characters like Charlie Halloway and Fifield were so poorly conceived and executed, scriptwise and acting-wise, as to make me wince when they get screen time - much as I felt about Jar Jar Binks).
post #704 of 997
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Originally Posted by R Harkness View Post

Star Wars prequels and Ridley's Prometheus is bang on: both seem to suffer from a situation in which the director was held in such reverence, and people felt so lucky to be working on the project at all, that there seemed no one willing to tell Lucas or Scott "Hey...that's a bad idea." and "That doesn't quite make sense." (One really gets that feeling from the scriptwriters after the movie was released who seemed sheepish and essentially portrayed themselves as "just following Ridley's orders" in how everything came out).

Have you watched the making of documentary yet? Actually, some of the conceptual artists and creature creation guys say in onscreen interviews they at first weren't sure what to think of some of the decisions Ridley was making but in the end really liked how things turned out.
post #705 of 997
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at first weren't sure what to think of some of the decisions Ridley was making but in the end really liked how things turned out.
I hope none of them make the jump from concept artist to director.
post #706 of 997
For those who are unaware, we have a couple of threads going that discusses the content of Prometheus in great detail:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1155877/alien-prequel-prometheus
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1414632/prometheus-plot-spoilers-discussion
post #707 of 997
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

Of Ridley Scott's movies, that is correct.
Someone here accused me of having bad taste??? Dear lord...

You do!
Edited by Franin - 10/17/12 at 11:01am
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

For those who are unaware, we have a couple of threads going that discusses the content of Prometheus in great detail:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1155877/alien-prequel-prometheus
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1414632/prometheus-plot-spoilers-discussion

I tried that when I made the thread remember, it did not go well
post #709 of 997
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+1

- 1 trillion
post #710 of 997
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Originally Posted by imagic View Post

"Josh toils at a very Dilbert-like office job" - That's the best explanation so far for your contrarian 'tude.

How many people reading this forum don't toil at Dilbert-like office jobs? Can we get a show of hands?
post #711 of 997
Self-employed professional photographer right here! I could watch Prometheus right now if I wanted, lols. Actually that's 80% of the reason I got a 3D TV, so I could proof my own stereoscopic photographs and videos. Another 10% of the reason is to play racing video games in 3D. The awesome movie experiences are pure bonus. I do know plenty about how to shoot in 3D, real-world and theory.
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How many people reading this forum don't toil at Dilbert-like office jobs? Can we get a show of hands?
post #712 of 997
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Originally Posted by Meteor|WAR View Post

Was just pointing out that a movie you regarded as "astoundingly terrible" is generally well liked. You don't see the problem there?

In fact, I see a profound problem there. It makes me very sad for the state of modern filmmaking that audiences have set their standards so low.
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This is not even an opinion, it is inaccurate. Most of the "plot holes" people initially complained about in Prometheus can be explained.

Read my previous post again. I'm not complaining about "plot holes" in Prometheus. I'm complaining that, from conception to execution, Prometheus is a stupid movie on every level. It's a movie about stupid people who behave stupidly for stupid reasons. Whether you can explain away plot holes is irrelevant when the plot itself is so dumb, and the characters are such idiots.
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I will not even attempt to get back into that god awful runaround but I will say, I am confident I can give an explanation--corroborated by plot points given in the film--to any of your alleged plot holes save for one, and that would be the scene with Millburn attempting to interact with the worm monster. The character's behavior there didn't make much sense given the situation, and I feel the scene was simply there to serve the purpose of the film's first elaborate death scene which was pretty awesome.

How about the scene where Capt. Janek, despite being in contact with his men who tell him that they're terrified that something in the cave is coming to get them, and despite his own sensors confirming that something in the cave is coming to get his men, brushes them off and says, "Whatevs. Deal with it yourselves. I'm gonna go get laid! BOO-YAAA!!!"

You got a good explanation for that one?
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Its an unfair comparison. The Phantom Menace was a direct prequel to a film series that could NEVER be done justice, and by a director who has fallen so far out of what he used to be.

And the difference is...?

Prometheus is a prequel to a series of films that bends over backwards to answer questions from the earlier movies that didn't actually need answering, and in doing so provides uniformly stupid answers.

Did "The Force" need to be explained? No, of course not. Nonetheless, The Phantom Menace gives us all that BS about "Midichlorians."

Did the "Space Jockey" need to be explained? No. Yet here we have a whole movie about these moron Engineers.
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Prometheus is a different type of film than its predecessors, but set in the same universe. I feel as if they did this intentionally as to be judged on its own and prevent it from living in the shadow of Alien, yet people still put it there anyway.

Regardless of what franchise Prometheus may or may not be a aprt of, it's still an exceedingly dumb movie.
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I didn't say shut off your brain. But I do think people should try to focus more on the film's positives, which it has more of, than its negatives.

Clearly, I disagree. The movie is very pretty to look at, and Michael Fassbender gives a pretty good performance. Other than that, I found next to no positive attributes in the film.
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Thread Starter 
Can you please, genuinely asking and genuinely saying please, take this crap to one of the threads designed for it.
post #714 of 997
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In fact, I see a profound problem there. It makes me very sad for the state of modern filmmaking that audiences have set their standards so low.
Read my previous post again. I'm not complaining about "plot holes" in Prometheus. I'm complaining that, from conception to execution, Prometheus is a stupid movie on every level. It's a movie about stupid people who behave stupidly for stupid reasons. Whether you can explain away plot holes is irrelevant when the plot itself is so dumb, and the characters are such idiots.

Opinions..
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How about the scene where Capt. Janek, despite being in contact with his men who tell him that they're terrified that something in the cave is coming to get them, and despite his own sensors confirming that something in the cave is coming to get his men, brushes them off and says, "Whatevs. Deal with it yourselves. I'm gonna go get laid! BOO-YAAA!!!"
You got a good explanation for that one?

Did you forget about the sand storm?
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And the difference is...?
Prometheus is a prequel to a series of films that bends over backwards to answer questions from the earlier movies that didn't actually need answering, and in doing so provides uniformly stupid answers.
Did "The Force" need to be explained? No, of course not. Nonetheless, The Phantom Menace gives us all that BS about "Midichlorians."
Did the "Space Jockey" need to be explained? No. Yet here we have a whole movie about these moron Engineers.

I always wanted to hear the story behind the space jockey from the first Alien. I think many others did as well.
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Regardless of what franchise Prometheus may or may not be a aprt of, it's still an exceedingly dumb movie.
Clearly, I disagree. The movie is very pretty to look at, and Michael Fassbender gives a pretty good performance. Other than that, I found next to no positive attributes in the film.

More opinions...
post #715 of 997
How do I get the digital copy? After I enter the code, I get an option to download digital copy with itunes or ultraviolet copy. Do I need an account with itunes to download? Never had to redeem digital copy with itunes before..
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post #717 of 997
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Originally Posted by R Harkness View Post

I don't think it's an unfair comparison at all.
I actually generally enjoyed Prometheus. It had great design and look and bumbled along at a pace showing me wild things that I found entertaining.
At the same time it had more "WTF were the film-makers thinking?" moments than any other movie I can think of in recent memory. It's not for nothing that, as for Lucas' sequels, a virtual cottage industry has sprung up mocking the idiocies of the characters and bizarre plot holes in Prometheus. In fact for it's critics, and there are many, the parallel between Lucas' Star Wars prequels and Ridley's Prometheus is bang on: both seem to suffer from a situation in which the director was held in such reverence, and people felt so lucky to be working on the project at all, that there seemed no one willing to tell Lucas or Scott "Hey...that's a bad idea." and "That doesn't quite make sense." (One really gets that feeling from the scriptwriters after the movie was released who seemed sheepish and essentially portrayed themselves as "just following Ridley's orders" in how everything came out).
So I think the comparison is quite apt.
(And for me characters like Charlie Halloway and Fifield were so poorly conceived and executed, scriptwise and acting-wise, as to make me wince when they get screen time - much as I felt about Jar Jar Binks).


nailed it.

unlike most i liked p.m., and thought it was a good,, not great. movie. pretty much my take on prometh. i agree both have elements that seriously detract from the overall theme that the writers/directors hoped to attain, but those inexplicable plot elements don't ruin either movie for me.

i guess i try and take the good and minimize the bad.

josh, you just really seem very extreme in your likes and dislikes and seem way too comfortable waging on ongoing war against this flick which isn't going to change anyones mind.

i gave up my mission trying to explain and get people to like p.m. about 15 years ago.
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Originally Posted by Meteor|WAR View Post

I always wanted to hear the story behind the space jockey from the first Alien. I think many others did as well.
Do you even remember how he looked? He was gigantic, weird, alien. Large head, but small when compared to the rest of his body, unnaturally long hands and big, I mean BIG chest.



Prometheus isn't about Space Jockeys, at least I haven't seen any in this movie.
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Fair to say, people who recognized what truly made the original Alien special... were also fans of H.R. Giger
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Do you even remember how he looked? He was gigantic, weird, alien. Large head, but small when compared to the rest of his body, unnaturally long hands and big, I mean BIG chest.

Prometheus isn't about Space Jockeys, at least I haven't seen any in this movie.
post #720 of 997
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

How many people reading this forum don't toil at Dilbert-like office jobs? Can we get a show of hands?
One hand here....speaking as an Engineer, of course.tongue.gif

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It's a movie about stupid people who behave stupidly for stupid reasons.
Although I give the movie a slight Thumbs Up, it's hard to argue your point....
Then again, doesn't your statement also apply to most people walking around today?wink.gif

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The movie is very pretty to look at
The concept art is quite extraordinary and creates a real impact on screen....hope it picks up some awards.
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