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post #961 of 997
Definitely a stunner made all the more maddening because of the awful quality of the film. SO GLAD I did not pay to see this in theaters and boy did I want to. Man, Hollywood is such a disappointment these days.
post #962 of 997
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Originally Posted by khronikos View Post

Definitely a stunner made all the more maddening because of the awful quality of the film. SO GLAD I did not pay to see this in theaters and boy did I want to. Man, Hollywood is such a disappointment these days.

your loss. the 3d in the cinematic version was superb. best i've seen since avatar.

you're being too harsh about the film's character's conduct.. go back and watch aliens and aliens, you'll see many
similar examples on inexplicably dumb condut.
post #963 of 997
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Originally Posted by khronikos View Post

Definitely a stunner made all the more maddening because of the awful quality of the film. SO GLAD I did not pay to see this in theaters and boy did I want to. Man, Hollywood is such a disappointment these days.

2012 was a bad year for the American film industry: prometheus, MIB3, Total Recall 2012, Snow White, Amazing Spider-Man, TDKR, all major disappointments. So many big budget films, so little entertainment value.
post #964 of 997
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Originally Posted by johncourt View Post

2012 was a bad year for the American film industry: prometheus, MIB3, Total Recall 2012, Snow White, Amazing Spider-Man, TDKR, all major disappointments. So many big budget films, so little entertainment value.

good scripts = good box gross

look what the avengers/hunger games did.
post #965 of 997
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Shame bar total recall they all made bank.......
post #966 of 997
oh because *all* these movies sucked? tssssssss........
post #967 of 997
You people have horrible expectations.
post #968 of 997
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Originally Posted by johncourt View Post

2012 was a bad year for the American film industry: prometheus, MIB3, Total Recall 2012, Snow White, Amazing Spider-Man, TDKR, all major disappointments. So many big budget films, so little entertainment value.

I think that's saying more about your tastes, than the quality of those movies. 2012 has been stacked as far as I'm concerned, especially after a arguably weak 10/11.

Movie reviews, word of mouth, and the box office would tend to agree. Small enclaves on the net from very vocal, irrational haters have become popular, but they're still a minority.
post #969 of 997
Whether or not a movie is "good" is entirely subjective.
One of the biggest sins we make around here is when we forget this basic fact.wink.gif
post #970 of 997
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Originally Posted by johncourt View Post

2012 was a bad year for the American film industry: prometheus, MIB3, Total Recall 2012, Snow White, Amazing Spider-Man, TDKR, all major disappointments. So many big budget films, so little entertainment value.

Disagree.
post #971 of 997
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

Whether or not a movie is "good" is entirely subjective.
One of the biggest sins we make around here is when we forget this basic fact.wink.gif

post #972 of 997
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Originally Posted by mr. wally View Post

go back and watch aliens and aliens, you'll see many
similar examples on inexplicably dumb condut.

Not really. Similair but not nearly as absurd and besides, the movies has different premises. I'll forgive some flaws in a movie about an alien killing of a crew and o movie about space marines killing (or trying to) kill aliens compared to a "philosophical" movie about what makes a human human and who made us and why.
post #973 of 997
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Originally Posted by dvdmike007 View Post

LOL, "the dude" strikes again.tongue.gif
post #974 of 997
I saw Prometheus once in the theater. Picked up the Blu-Ray day one. But I wanted to save watching it with by brother's who hadn't seen it. Finally last night got together with my bro, a big Ridley Scott fan.
I enjoyed Prometheus in the movie theater, but also agreed with most of the criticisms concerning the laziness of the writing and ludicrous actions of the characters. I'd wondered whether viewing it at home I'd like it more, or less
than in the theater. Sometimes when I really like some aspects of a movie but not others, I go into subsequent viewings already having the disappointments behind me, expecting them, and with lowered expectations the better parts of the movie grow on me. That happened with BladeRunner, actually. In the theaters I was originally amazed by the visuals and atmosphere, but felt let down by a lax and somewhat awkward pace, distanced feeling to the characters, and somewhat "flat" feeling to the movie. Going back to re-experience the visuals had me get more and more into the movie until, like many others, it became one of my favorites.

Having now watched Prometheus again at my place, I don't see it happening with this movie. Rather than idiotic parts being forgiven and fading into the background, it's like the more I saw, the more WTF this is ridiculous moments I experienced. They stuck out even MORE and more often in repeated viewing, not less. In Bladerunner there was in fact some depth to sink into in the performances and script. Prometheus...nothing (with the huge exception of Fassbender). I couldn't care even remotely about a single character. All surface, all speaking groan-inducing lines, and often just irritating (those sequences with the lost biologist and geologist can be excruciating). So there's nothing there that hints to me of hidden rewards, or depths to be plumbed.

And although there are a few cool sequences, the medi-pod sequence is fun, Ridley seems to have utterly lost his mojo for producing any scares. (And he'd promised to "scare the sh#t" out of us in movie promo interviews). One may object that ultimately Prometheus isn't supposed to be flat out horror/sci-fi like Alien. But even when it is clearly TRYING to be scary, it's not remotely scary or threatening. And the generally awful striking-the-wrong-tone score hardly helps.

Yup, love those Ridley Visuals. But even here it doesn't offer as much for me to love as Alien did. The original Alien planet was truly freaky, weird, made out of odd and threatening shapes, emerging from darkness, ever blasted by hellacious winds - truly "alien" and thus always fascinating. The Prometheus planet looked more like regular-old remote areas from earth cobbled together by CGI. It just didn't feel nearly as fascinating or alien. (Although there were some gorgeous shots approaching the planet).

And while I do love much of the cinematography in general, and many of the visuals, it's one of those movies that make me bummed out about current editing styles. While the PACE of the film in terms of drama is slow to build, which is nice, the pace of the actual cutting of shots doesn't let me drink in Ridley's visuals the way the older films do. It's just cut too fast to really sink into any particular shot. It's like "hey, look at this beautiful shot of the spaceship going through cloud...whoops...gone...hey cool shot and...damn, gone again. Cut..cut..cut.

The quality of the sound recording, FX and sound mix are utterly superb. So natural, and you can hear the space in which all the scenes occur. Just gorgeous sound design. That said, even though the technical quality of the sound is superior to the old Alien, I find the actual sound FX and mix of Alien to be superior - in that it is much more memorable, and more evocative. The sounds of the harsh howling alien winds, the chattering analogue blips and bleeps of the ship, the water dripping on Bret's hat, the coarse scrape of the air ducts closing, etc. The sound FX have really strong, memorable character and the mix in Alien. Not so much in Prometheus, though that's par for the course in most modern sci-fi movies.

My brother had plugged his ears and sung "la, la, la" for the whole Prometheus build up, and after it came to theaters, so he didn't here any of the controversy (he and his wife had a kid recently, so he didn't get out to see it).
Anyway, my bro had the same reaction. Right off the bat when the score started he said it just signaled a wrong vibe, like he was watching an episode of cosmos, or some soul-souring family adventure film, rather an an ominous or dark feeling. And, he found the characters cliches, unbelievable, the whole shebang. He was pretty disappointed (and actually had to leave a little before the movie ended, but by that time he didn't care that much).

Prometheus was still fun to watch in a sort of mindless way (bummer to say that about what could have been intelligent sci-fi), and beautiful to watch, and it does have ONE great performance by Fassbender which I really admire. If it even had a great music score it would probably up it's re-watch potential.

But, man what a missed opportunity that movie is. Though, I'm not sure Ridley has it in him any more to do the type of serious or quality sci-fi/horror he once pulled off. I guess we'll see in the sequel.
Edited by R Harkness - 12/16/12 at 6:27pm
post #975 of 997
Well said.

I couldn't agree more: Prometheus was a missed opportunity.frown.gif
The dumb-a$$ characters screwed up this film big time.
post #976 of 997
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Originally Posted by khronikos View Post

Definitely a stunner made all the more maddening because of the awful quality of the film. SO GLAD I did not pay to see this in theaters and boy did I want to. Man, Hollywood is such a disappointment these days.

It was a weak year for blockbusters.

The Hobbit however is indeed an entertaining film, allowing me to say there was at least one good big budget film released in '12. It's about 20 - 25 minutes too long, but overall, it's very entertaining.
post #977 of 997
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Originally Posted by johncourt View Post

It was a weak year for blockbusters.
The Hobbit however is indeed an entertaining film, allowing me to say there was at least one good big budget film released in '12. It's about 20 - 25 minutes too long, but overall, it's very entertaining.

+1
post #978 of 997
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Originally Posted by johncourt View Post

It was a weak year for blockbusters.
The Hobbit however is indeed an entertaining film, allowing me to say there was at least one good big budget film released in '12. It's about 20 - 25 minutes too long, but overall, it's very entertaining.

The money and the quality from Avengers and Skyfall alone says no, also Argo came out this year...
post #979 of 997
I've watched Prometheus about 15-20 times already twice at the movies and subsequent Blu ray viewings. While I agree with a lot of the criticisms of the movie re characters and situations etc it's such a gorgeous movie. I've always been a fan of Ridley's visual style and he and his team delivers in bucket loads here. Then there's the presentation. This has to be the best presentation of a movie I have ever seen at home (and at the movies too). the level of detail is just stunning. The Dark Knight Rises looks like **** after watching Prometheus even the Imax scenes. i don't have a big BR collection (maybe 60-70) but this is definitely the reference disc so far for me.
post #980 of 997
Prometheus is simply a very bad remake of Alien, with a bit, actually a lot, of CGI tossed in. There's no amount of computer animation which can turn a bad film into a good one.

If you want to see how it's done, see Alien.

The biggest slap in the face is the fact that prometheus was billed as an intellectual film which would answer questions about the origins of humanity. By this standard, the film is clearly an abysmal failiure. If your only criteria for success is seeing some pretty CGI, then prometheus fits the bill. Otherwise, this film is a laughable turd.
post #981 of 997
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Give the thread a week and it's back to not talking about the disc and bitching about the film. Sigh. I feel a lock is coming
post #982 of 997
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Give the thread a week and it's back to not talking about the disc and bitching about the film. Sigh. I feel a lock is coming
In the interest of clarification, this thread is for discussing all things PROMETHEUS (in its incarnation on blu-ray). Any detail of the film, its actors, crew, plot points etc., is fair game. You did not title the thread "Technical aspects of the blu-ray release PROMETHEUS", so it is not off-topic to discuss any and all things PROMETHEUS here. Also you yourself have discussed "the film" in considerable detail herein, so a little hard to understand why you are promoting and trying to get people to believe they should only discuss "the disc" (-- whatever that may mean to you...?)
post #983 of 997
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Originally Posted by Emaych View Post

In the interest of clarification, this thread is for discussing all things PROMETHEUS (in its incarnation on blu-ray). Any detail of the film, its actors, crew, plot points etc., is fair game. You did not title the thread "Technical aspects of the blu-ray release PROMETHEUS", so it is not off-topic to discuss any and all things PROMETHEUS here. Also you yourself have discussed "the film" in considerable detail herein, so a little hard to understand why you are promoting and trying to get people to believe they should only discuss "the disc" (-- whatever that may mean to you...?)

Indeed. And for some people the Blu-Ray will be their first encounter with Prometheus.

Anyway, at 33 pages in this thread, how much more "about the disc and nothing about the movie itself" is there to discuss? Of course the actual movie content is going to end up as part of the discussion of the Blu-Ray.
post #984 of 997
Because there's nothing wrong with the disc itself.. not much to discuss. Most of the discussions on this forum are about negative aspects of the disc.

On the flip side, I keep feeling like I have to defend the fact that I actually like the film, in spite of the problems that apparently ruins all of cinema for some people.
post #985 of 997
It's a flawed film but it's also not nearly as bad as most of the whiners would have everyone else believe. They're all just incredibly pissed off that it's not the movie that they wanted and that it's not excellent all around. They're so pissed off about it that they can't stop talking about it and they can't stop expressing their disdain for anyone who doesn't think the way they do about it.

If the movie was actually as bad as they all say it is, they wouldn't still be talking about it. As it is, they still can't shut up about it.
post #986 of 997
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Originally Posted by Deviation View Post

It's a flawed film but it's also not nearly as bad as most of the whiners would have everyone else believe. They're all just incredibly pissed off that it's not the movie that they wanted and that it's not excellent all around. They're so pissed off about it that they can't stop talking about it and they can't stop expressing their disdain for anyone who doesn't think the way they do about it.
If the movie was actually as bad as they all say it is, they wouldn't still be talking about it. As it is, they still can't shut up about it.
I just hate it when someone makes a post that actually makes sense...wink.gif
post #987 of 997
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Originally Posted by Deviation View Post

It's a flawed film but it's also not nearly as bad as most of the whiners would have everyone else believe. They're all just incredibly pissed off that it's not the movie that they wanted and that it's not excellent all around. They're so pissed off about it that they can't stop talking about it and they can't stop expressing their disdain for anyone who doesn't think the way they do about it.

Funny, I rarely see people who didn't like the film expressing disdain for people who did. They typically express disdain for the film itself. (And will defend the reasons why they think it's flaws are as they find them).

I see much more personal attack and disdain coming from people like yourself who did like the movie, toward those who didn't. As in your post. It's basically a long ad hominem post calling people who didn't like the film "whiners" and pissy etc.

And as I've said before, despite it's disappointing qualities, I still managed to enjoy Prometheus.
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If the movie was actually as bad as they all say it is, they wouldn't still be talking about it. As it is, they still can't shut up about it.

I'm afraid that makes no sense at all. I guess all the issues people had with The Phantom Menace must not exist, because of all the people who talked about it. No, when a film arises out of an existing fan base, and promises to be more of what that fan
base likes (in the case of Prometheus it was continually lauded as being Big Ideas science fiction combined with Scary As Hell attitude...), then naturally people are going to talk about their disappointment if they see it falling far short of it's promise, and short of the quality of it's predecessor.

(And notice the "won't shut up about it" stuff - I rarely if ever see such personal vitriol lobbed at those who liked Prometheus).
post #988 of 997
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I see much more personal attack and disdain coming from people like yourself who did like the movie, toward those who didn't.
Either a) you haven't been paying attention to this thread or b) you've missed every single post deleted by a mod. And there have been a *lot* of them in this thread.

I can't think of any other film where I've seen people catch so much flak just for daring to suggest they actually enjoyed it on some level.

And yeah, I deserve criticism for labeling some people as "whiners" the way I did. I didn't mean for it to be so generalized but I also can't identify the individuals who have made such a point of making this thread into nothing but flame bait without turning it into a direct personal attack. But when someone has to tell me that I'm a terrible person because I like a film and come back to the thread to say the same thing literally dozens of times, repeatedly telling everyone how terrible the film is and how wrong they are about anything and everything just because they don't agree, it becomes quite wearing and aggravating.
post #989 of 997
Well, I guess I did miss all the mod deleted comments.

I had gone back over the thread to find the personal, ad hominem vitriol directed at people who liked the movie and found none.

But my comments pertain not only to this thread. I followed many of the boards devoted to Prometheus (e.g. on the Prometheus site and Aliens/Predator site). I was just amazed at the asymmetry of the personal attacks.
(It was far more often that those who didn't like the film were psycho-analyzed - "they had the wrong expectations"..."they just love to hate..." and attacked personally, vs the other way around).
post #990 of 997
I can't think of a recent movie with higher expectations (other than perhaps The Hobbit).
RS created 2 of the greatest Sci-fis ever done.
It is natural there would be great hopes among us geeks going in.

Prometheus is one of those rare movies where opinions vary widely.
It is a very divisive movie and yet, non-political.
Ultimately, where one's verdict falls on Prometheus is subjective.

FWIW, my opinion is Prometheus COULD have been RS's hat-trick, but it isn't a catastrophe.
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