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post #1 of 164
7/6/12 at 6:52am
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Here's a short demo:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQa3Ma077UM

Please share if you have any hands on info!

I will receive mine in next week and if I find the time I will post a small review.

I am looking very much forward to testing it since I've been through my fair share of projectors (M110, GP2, HW300G, HW300Y, BenQ W1060, Hitachi CP-RX94, Epson EH-TW3200) searching for the right one. If it matches the HW300 projectors and has an even focus (+ 500 lumens, better contrast, 20-30% better black levels, more compact and no aspect ratio issue) I will be a very happy man.
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7/6/12 at 7:45am
Me too.biggrin.gif
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post #3 of 164
7/6/12 at 11:45am
Ordered one of these projectors last night from Adorama and it's on backorder. From reading around the other threads it looks like are still waiting on stock from LG. I'm still not sure what route I want to go with this. On one hand, I'm very comfortable waiting a month, but then again if I could get something comparable in price/quality now, then why not? No fry's near me so the 449 for the hw300t isn't a possibly, but I might jump on a optoma or viewsonic if the price is right. I mainly wanted to go with LG because it appears that they have the fewest issues.
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post #4 of 164
7/8/12 at 4:27am
Hi

Nh81..look forwward to your review and videos. As a personal request , please look into the heating issues of this projector, i want to know how hot it gets after say a good 4-6+ hours of solid use in eco/max setting. Also could you post vid of just the internal speakers in operation ? i want to hear the 2x1watt speakers in action, wonder if it will be enough for my bedroom.

Well thats it for now , if more ideas come to mind i will post here.

Thanks
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post #5 of 164
7/10/12 at 9:59am
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A little update on my PB60G purchase:

I ordered through beamer-discount.de on 24th of June and paid the same day. They have confirmed my payment and their site states that they have 6, 5 and today 8 projectors in stock. I haven't heard from them since last week. I was told it would be delivered last week and now I've been mailing them since Friday but they've stopped answering.

I'm so disappointed... based on reviews I was confident that they would be a pro business.
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post #6 of 164
7/10/12 at 11:40am
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Originally Posted by nh81 View Post

A little update on my PB60G purchase:
I ordered through beamer-discount.de on 24th of June and paid the same day. They have confirmed my payment and their site states that they have 6, 5 and today 8 projectors in stock. I haven't heard from them since last week. I was told it would be delivered last week and now I've been mailing them since Friday but they've stopped answering.
I'm so disappointed... based on reviews I was confident that they would be a pro business.
Whats the eshop?
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post #7 of 164
7/10/12 at 12:52pm
Hi Nh81

Bad news ith Beamer,discount...i too thought same , so i emailed them a few times and not a single reply. After getting no email replies i decided not to ever deal with a company that doesnt take time out to reply to potential future customers. Try this , call them up and cancel the order , tell them you no longer wish to purchase from them and have told your credit card company etc you expecting a refund , failure to refund in time results in fraud/theft and you take action to see it returned asap. see if this light threat makes a difference, they could be just taking money from people and placing orders instead of acutally having it in stock , its sometimes a tactic used by web retailers. Overall im hoping you get it and maybe they will discount or offer something for the delay, heres hoping your sorted out soon.

skinflint. eu is good way for checking other retailers
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post #8 of 164
7/12/12 at 7:30am
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@fatalfury Thank you for the tips!

Yesterday I received my PB60G and I've spent a couple of hours testing it. Apparently beamer-discount shipped it three days ago but they forgot to tell me smile.gif At least the price was all right (€559 shipping incl. to Denmark).

Here's my impression so far (I am using a 76"/194 cm wide wall in my living room, so I won't go in to details about image quality):

Brightness is improved (around 60% on highest setting) but the fans are way too loud on the brightest setting. The noise while using medium setting is tolerable and the brightness is about 30% better than a HW300 on the lowest setting.

Sharpness is better than all the compact LED projectors I've tested. I would say that on my unit it's 98% conform. In my experience this can vary depending on the individual unit.

I've been playing too much around with the focus to say anything reliable about focus shift.

The overall picture is NOT perfect but this is a $550 projector and it's not much longer or thicker than a Cohiba Esplendido. You'll find all sorts of flaws if you look for them but the overall picture is better than what you get from DELL M110, BenQ GP2, HW300G, HW300Y and BenQ W1060 (!). You'll also find all the cool expert settings you need for your endless tweaking.

Since the focus wheel is placed rather close to the unit's very responsive controls I've managed to get tangled in various menus when adjusting focus. This is the price of Nano-mania: PB60G is impressively compact... and I sure like it.

The unit cools down so fast I have a hard time believing it. It does not overheat when operated for several hours. I have mine on a tripod and the quick plate blocks half of one of the lower ventilation grids.

I've hooked it up to my Mac and also seen movies via a USB stick.

As long as I have a pair of headphones I would never use the built-in speakers but they are acceptable. Obviously no bass but rather loud. @Fatalfury, if you prefer compact speakers over headphones check out X-mini or Altec Lansing's Orbit. They are better.

It handles a wide variation of codecs and containers. Subtitles work great. Though I haven't tested Croatian or Hindi subs...

You can feed it 24Hz in 1080p mode! You're not stuck in 60Hz. Thank you LG!!!

Cons?

- Loud when operated with highest brightness.

- Brightness setting affects sound via mini-jack due to poor shielding. The interference is almost not audible with lowest light output but unacceptable with highest ouput when heard through headphones.

- You can change aspect ratio but you can't change energy mode (brightness) or picture mode while using a USB stick (you can go back to menu, change and go back to USB. The built-in player remembers your position).

At night time I watch 720p movies via USB/Mac on a simple white wall with a set of super old B&O speakers or a nice pair of headphones. The medium brightness setting is perfect for me - the internal sound interference via headphones and/or the fan noise are acceptable as long as I keep it on medium or low brightness. I would probably only put it in the highest brightness mode when using it for a party or when watching a hardcore action movie. Now I'm just being hysterical. I would probably just use it when I feel like it. All in all I am a very happy man.

PS. The projected image diagonal is 90".

photo(2).JPG 298k .JPG file

Cohiba60G 336k .JPG file
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post #9 of 164
7/12/12 at 8:07am
@nh81, thanks for your review.

In terms of the loudness (by the fan) under high, medium and low, is it any louder (worst) than the HW300G/Y?
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post #10 of 164
7/12/12 at 8:19am
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@kenshin2b: Highest setting is maybe 10%-15% louder than HW300G/Y. Lowest sounds the same and I can't remember HW300's medium setting.
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post #11 of 164
7/12/12 at 9:55am
Hey nh81

Thanks for your review/insight on the projector , any info is most welcomed smile.gif Any chance for uploading videos/clips ? in particular the Sound test, i would love to hear the built in speakers playing,this would be super helpful to me, Added bonus would be Fan test and just lots of movie clips , anime if you have. Almost forgot , how far back does the projector have to from the wall to get a 90"" image ? i have pretty small bedroom , like 3 metres by 2.5 meters , wonder what size image i will get.

just quick question ..when you turned it on first time , is there option for ENGLISH MENU setting ? Also does a 3 pin adaptor come with this for UK markets ?
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post #12 of 164
7/12/12 at 12:42pm
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@fatalfury: Your welcome. I don't have the time to do recordings of fan noise or image quality. The best help I can provide you is my comparison with the other LED projectors, but of course this is of little value if you don't have any hands-on experience with the other projectors.

A throw distance of three meters will give a 90" diagonal image in 16:9 and 94" in 16:10 (native). Try this out: www.projectorcentral.com/LG-HW300T-projection-calculator-pro.htm (the throw ratio is the same).

When turned on the first time you choose language. And yes ENGLISH is an option smile.gif

My package (shipped from a German webshop) didn't include a UK plug adapter and if it did it would've been unusual.
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post #13 of 164
7/12/12 at 1:40pm
@nh81. Thanks for your review. I have a few questions about your LG PB60G.

I have been waiting for reviews of the new LG projectors to determine how I will finally deploy my LG HW300T. Right now I have to use a high gain screen and two projectors for 3D. But my screen is too small to really enjoy 3D. Do you plan to use the 3D features of your projector? If so will you offer your impressions of its 3D capability?

Also, my fans vary speed (and I guess it is based on room temperature). Sometimes the economy mode is louder than the “normal” mode and vice versa. Do the fans speeds vary on the LG PB60G?

You wrote that “the brightness is about 30% better than a HW300 on the lowest setting.” Does this mean that lowest brightness level of the LG PB60G is equal to the maximum brightness of the HW300T? (My guess is that the “economy” mode brightness of the HW300T is about 170 lumens.)

My HW300T not only remembers picture settings for the input device modes (including custom changes) but it saves different settings for 16:10 and 16:9 picture settings (I only tested HD). For example: changing a (16:9) 1920x1080 signal to a (16:10)1680x1050 will change the picture setting menu in real time. Does the LG PB60G keep track of picture changes based on input AND aspect ratio?

Finally, since you are using a tripod, how were you able to project an image perpendicular to your screen so that you could judge the overall image focus?
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post #14 of 164
7/14/12 at 2:48am
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@obscuro: You're welcome!

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Do you plan to use the 3D features of your projector?


Nope.

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Also, my fans vary speed (and I guess it is based on room temperature). Sometimes the economy mode is louder than the “normal” mode and vice versa. Do the fans speeds vary on the LG PB60G?


I am not sure if they do. I haven't noticed anything.

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Does this mean that lowest brightness level of the LG PB60G is equal to the maximum brightness of the HW300T? (My guess is that the “economy” mode brightness of the HW300T is about 170 lumens.)


The lowest brightness level of the LG PB60G is about 10-20% dimmer than the max brightness of the HW300 series depending on picture setting.

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Does the LG PB60G keep track of picture changes based on input AND aspect ratio?


Based on input: Yes. Aspect ratio: Don't know. I'm really busy but if I find the time I'll update you on this.

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Finally, since you are using a tripod, how were you able to project an image perpendicular to your screen so that you could judge the overall image focus?


It's impossible for me to project an image 100% perpendicular to my wall, but I use the bubble level on the tripod and if all four angles of the image are 90 degrees and all edges are in focus without any warping I'm as close as I can get. But this is the exact reason why I don't go into details about image quality etc. My setup is not fit for a pro review.
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post #15 of 164
7/14/12 at 9:58am
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@obscuro: You're welcome!
It's impossible for me to project an image 100% perpendicular to my wall, but I use the bubble level on the tripod and if all four angles of the image are 90 degrees and all edges are in focus without any warping I'm as close as I can get.
@nh81. I can not believe that I did NOT THINK to use a LEVEL! It was a reall "DOH" moment.

I bought some 4'x8' tile boards (dry erase board-like) to make (well attempt to make) my large high gain screens for 3D. As soon as someone does a review of hte LG PB60G then I can decide if I want the hassle of making a screen. As you know a major advantage of these compact projectors is that they can be hidden in a room decor. So if I do add a screen I have to figure out a way to make it invisible (since it will be high gain painting the wall is not an option-yet).

Another reason I am looking at buyin another projector is that according to another member (another DOH moment) I can project on the ceiling. I am rationalizing an upgrade so soon because I would like to use my AMD video card to project four simultaneous images as one big image on the three walls in front me and the ceiling. That way I can use the white tileboards to block light and use a prism to project on the ceiling to avoid overheating. I got the idea from a 360 movie I saw at Disneyland a long time ago. I figure it will be the closest I'll ever see to a "holodeck".
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post #16 of 164
7/18/12 at 10:02am
We need some serious vids of this projector in action , hope someone gets a chance to share more on model.
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post #17 of 164
7/19/12 at 4:34pm
Very interested in this projector.

Is the lens made of plastic or glass?

More videos of this projector in action would be great!
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post #18 of 164
7/20/12 at 2:23am
Hi Nh81

I have question for you... are there any serious focus issues with this projector ? apparently the PA70G suffers from this and since Lg made that, im wondering if the PB60G has similar issues ? If you could speak of any issues you are aware of /experiencing that would be of great help , no matter how small it may seem , please share the info, im at the stage of either going for this or giving up on LG altogether.
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post #19 of 164
7/22/12 at 12:37pm
Hello everyone. I'm really interested on this projector, because it seems it's the only one with all the characteristics I want (led, with hdmi and vga and with audio output). The only problem is the comment of nh81 about the degraded sound output... do also other owners experience the same problem? How tragic is it?

thanks for the answers!
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post #20 of 164
7/24/12 at 1:10pm
For those wanting a tuner, there's also a pb61k in the works. I found a pdf here http://www.lg.com/global/support/opensource/opensource.jsp , just search for pb60g projector and open the pdf under Notice. Googling pb61k only comes up with an ebay auction stating its the pb60g, 500 lumens, with a tuner. Although I don't know how reliable the source is.
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post #21 of 164
7/28/12 at 12:19pm
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@fatalfury Thank you for the tips!
Yesterday I received my PB60G and I've spent a couple of hours testing it. Apparently beamer-discount shipped it three days ago but they forgot to tell me smile.gif At least the price was all right (€559 shipping incl. to Denmark).
Here's my impression so far (I am using a 76"/194 cm wide wall in my living room, so I won't go in to details about image quality):
Brightness is improved (around 60% on highest setting) but the fans are way too loud on the brightest setting. The noise while using medium setting is tolerable and the brightness is about 30% better than a HW300 on the lowest setting.
Sharpness is better than all the compact LED projectors I've tested. I would say that on my unit it's 98% conform. In my experience this can vary depending on the individual unit.
I've been playing too much around with the focus to say anything reliable about focus shift.
The overall picture is NOT perfect but this is a $550 projector and it's not much longer or thicker than a Cohiba Esplendido. You'll find all sorts of flaws if you look for them but the overall picture is better than what you get from DELL M110, BenQ GP2, HW300G, HW300Y and BenQ W1060 (!). You'll also find all the cool expert settings you need for your endless tweaking.
Since the focus wheel is placed rather close to the unit's very responsive controls I've managed to get tangled in various menus when adjusting focus. This is the price of Nano-mania: PB60G is impressively compact... and I sure like it.
The unit cools down so fast I have a hard time believing it. It does not overheat when operated for several hours. I have mine on a tripod and the quick plate blocks half of one of the lower ventilation grids.
I've hooked it up to my Mac and also seen movies via a USB stick.
As long as I have a pair of headphones I would never use the built-in speakers but they are acceptable. Obviously no bass but rather loud. @Fatalfury, if you prefer compact speakers over headphones check out X-mini or Altec Lansing's Orbit. They are better.
It handles a wide variation of codecs and containers. Subtitles work great. Though I haven't tested Croatian or Hindi subs...
You can feed it 24Hz in 1080p mode! You're not stuck in 60Hz. Thank you LG!!!
Cons?
- Loud when operated with highest brightness.
- Brightness setting affects sound via mini-jack due to poor shielding. The interference is almost not audible with lowest light output but unacceptable with highest ouput when heard through headphones.
- You can change aspect ratio but you can't change energy mode (brightness) or picture mode while using a USB stick (you can go back to menu, change and go back to USB. The built-in player remembers your position).
At night time I watch 720p movies via USB/Mac on a simple white wall with a set of super old B&O speakers or a nice pair of headphones. The medium brightness setting is perfect for me - the internal sound interference via headphones and/or the fan noise are acceptable as long as I keep it on medium or low brightness. I would probably only put it in the highest brightness mode when using it for a party or when watching a hardcore action movie. Now I'm just being hysterical. I would probably just use it when I feel like it. All in all I am a very happy man.
PS. The projected image diagonal is 90".
photo(2).JPG 298k .JPG file
Cohiba60G 336k .JPG file
How would you rate the contrast/black levels? Compared to the hw300? Does it look like its really 10,000:1 to you? Thank you. One way i judge black levels is by seeing how black the letterbox bars look on the screen
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post #22 of 164
7/28/12 at 12:23pm
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How would you rate the contrast/black levels? Compared to the hw300? Does it look like its really 10,000:1 to you? Thank you. One way i judge black levels is by seeing how black the letterbox bars look on the screen

One more thing, hiw far is the front of the projector from the wall/screen to get 90"? Thank you
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post #23 of 164
7/30/12 at 2:08pm
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@garibay_2004:

Compared to HW300 the black level is substantially improved. But is it 10.000:1? Mmmm... I don't think so.

NB: The difference is best seen in a dark environment.

You'll need a distance of 2,8 meters (9' 4") to project 90" diagonal.

http://www.projectorcentral.com/LG-HW300T-projection-calculator-pro.htm
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post #24 of 164
7/31/12 at 4:25am
Just ordered my LG Pb60g from amazon.de. First time i ordered from amazon, and they didnt ask for the 3 security digit number which u can find the backside of the bank card. (used visa electron) Strange.. Anyway i hope they will send it soon, so i can test it, and share my experience with you guys. wink.gif
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post #25 of 164
7/31/12 at 5:15am
Hey Jagermester

Demo Videos of the PB60G in action would be awesome ( Anime, Action,Sci-fi ,Documetarty clips etct) . Nh81 has already been super helpful in answering alot of my questions, just want to see videos of this in operation, personal request is a video of the built in speakers working. Look forward to your review asap.
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post #26 of 164
7/31/12 at 9:26am
Sure, hopefully i will recive it by next week. I will need 1-2 days to make my DIY screen after i recive it, coz i need the exact image size ( from about 3.1meters (10 feet) so i can build the screen for the projected image size, and after i will post a video.
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post #27 of 164
7/31/12 at 10:56am
Hey Jagermester

Look forward to your reviews, really your videos will be the dealbreaker for me , currently eyeing the LG HW300 and want to see LGPB60G in action , is it truly worth paying the additional extra ? just will wait a little bit more until vids are posted.

For NH81 and Jagermester ...can the LG PB60G be fixed to a TRIPOD ? im thinking of a Tripod with PAN function , does the player have the right holes underneath for it to be secured on safely ? ie not loose etc

Just one more thing....Does these projectors have RBE rainbow effect ? i must admit i am one of the few who expereince it , anyone who has feedback on RBE and LG projectors is most welcome.
Edited by fatalfury - 8/3/12 at 1:45am
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post #28 of 164
8/8/12 at 2:50am
Any New updates /vids ?
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post #29 of 164
8/8/12 at 6:51am
Im still waiting for mine. They shipped on Thursday, so i hope i will get it these days.
Until here is a video that i find today.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xsbpv9_clip-lg-pb60g_tech
Looks really sharp smile.gif Can wait to get mine!
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post #30 of 164
8/8/12 at 7:18am
Thanks for the vid!

I'm thinking seriously about getting one of these (or the PB70G).

My Panasonic AE900 is on its last legs. I was happy with its light output, and it was only rated at 1100 lumens.
Hopefully I would be happy with the LG brightness and color as well.

The reason I'm considering this projector is simple. My kids use the projector constantly. I've purchased 4 of 5 bulbs since 2007, and it's getting VERY expensive.
I'm also convinced the constant heat from the 24/7 run cycle was instrumental in making the AE900 develop the problems it has today.

Can anyone comment on the picture quality of the LG LED projectors (500 and 700 lumen) vs. the 720P Panasonic AE900U I'm replacing?

Thanks!
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