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post #31 of 637
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And here is how the other 1% live:

https://vimeo.com/45892024

For the purpose of learning about the camcorder: the indoor area presents a WB challenge, as the interior is lit by both sunlight through windows and by incandescent and fluorescent light. Seems to get the balance well. Also, sound check at the end as we hear the piano (Beethoven) up close.
post #32 of 637
The camcorder is doing a great job.
post #33 of 637
I went camping with my son and granddaughters this week on Blake Island near Seattle. It rained. In fact, it thundered and rained about an inch. As people here sometimes know how to do, we still had a lot of fun. I got my camera out a couple of times when it was raining. While the lens was zoomed out, a few drops got on it. Later, it was very sluggish when I pushed the 'on' button. I thought I might of damaged it, but it got well.

I missed a lot of good shots. I wanted a rugged, rain proof camera bad.

Bill
post #34 of 637
Bill less expensive for you to get an Ikelite for your HX9V than to buy an HDR-GW77! wink.gif

Bill
post #35 of 637
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Bill less expensive for you to get an Ikelite for your HX9V than to buy an HDR-GW77! wink.gif
Bill

it will be less expensive but no longer pocketable, and it will be too bulky to bring waterproof housing everywhere... i have an underwater housing for the sony xr550. but i still have no use it. last time on our trip to the beach did not bring it cause it was so bulking to carry and attention graber. and it makes the person you are shooting the video uneasy.

i am still saving money to buy the sony gw77.

markr041, what color did you get? i like the white.


nice sony gw77 samples at youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01B5-b6XUEM&list=UUK4DL1bswkV8Vel5z27mVSQ&index=1&feature=plcp
Edited by spyker1212 - 7/21/12 at 11:30pm
post #36 of 637
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I have the blue version, but I have seen the white and black and think the white is better than the black - actually more inconspicuous.

For those who have a Sony Hx9v, you will be happy to know the GW77 uses the same battery.

I will post some more GW77 videos, from San Antonio, soon. Still very pleased by the performance, including audio. In the meantime, a video frame grab of a surprise brief visitor at the Alamo:

201207210924382.jpg
Edited by markr041 - 7/21/12 at 10:45pm
post #37 of 637
I have had the camera for 3 days an am using a Mac with Final Cut Pro X. Here is what Sony has to say:
Notes
When importing AVCHD movies as "iMovie" or "Final Cut Pro"
※ The AVCHD encoding method of the 2011 model is different from those of models released before 2010.
By updating the Mac OS to the most recent version (10.6.7 or higher), importing is possible.
※ Cannot import 1080/60p(50p), 1080/24p movies.

Not being able to process videos in "P" mode could be a deal breaker. Any thoughts?
post #38 of 637
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I do not understand why Apple does not support 108060p AVCHD (which is now supported by almost all Windows editors). I do not use any Apple products, but what I have seen is that there is a software solution that converts *without any loss* AVCHD video to formats that Apple software can use - Clipwrap. (http://www.divergentmedia.com/clipwrap/).

There may be other solutions, but this is what I have heard works well, the key being no quality loss.
Edited by markr041 - 7/22/12 at 7:59am
post #39 of 637
If you get it soaking wet, how do you dry the GW77 off? If you get it dirty with beach sand, do you run it under water? Can you get hard water spots on the lens doing that?

Thanks.

Bill
post #40 of 637
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You dry with a towel if you want, and yes, you can rinse off if it gets sand (or, better, put the camera in a little tub and let it soak (I'm not kidding)). And, no lens spots.

At the Sony Store in Hong Kong, they had one that had been continually used to take "underwater" videos in their little tank. Sitting on the counter, it was always wet. I used it to take videos while still wet and I did not see any problem (we played the videos on one of their big TVs). You do not have to dry it off to use.
post #41 of 637
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Originally Posted by markr041 View Post

You dry with a towel if you want, and yes, you can rinse off if it gets sand (or, better, put the camera in a little tub and let it soak (I'm not kidding)). And, no lens spots.
At the Sony Store in Hong Kong, they had one that had been continually used to take "underwater" videos in their little tank. Sitting on the counter, it was always wet. I used it to take videos while still wet and I did not see any problem (we played the videos on one of their big TVs). You do not have to dry it off to use.

Thanks.
post #42 of 637
Thanks for posting the new footage Mark. The walking stabilization does very well indeed. The day and night time scenes all looked fine to me. The cam's sound is good as well. All the honking in the Dhaka street scene footage was annoying as heck after about 30 seconds though. I've never seen anything like it. I would not want to live or stay in a hotel near that intersection. Seems like the honking goes on 24hrs a day.

The airport terminal is one of the nicest ones I've ever seen. The footage was very good and interesting.
post #43 of 637
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The honking does go on 24-hours. This is an example of how replacing the actual audio by a new-age sound track would eliminate something important (besides a headache).

One of the best lounges I have encountered (Turkish Airlines, Istanbul).
post #44 of 637
Is there a way to protect the lens from getting scratched via a lens cap or UV screw in filter or some other method?
post #45 of 637
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Originally Posted by KnowledgeSeeker View Post

Is there a way to protect the lens from getting scratched via a lens cap or UV screw in filter or some other method?

saw this on dpreview forum.

you can buy something like one below but small size diameter

http://www.photopoint.ee/en/product/17099/big-filter-holder-for-compact-cameras-43mm-420901

or sometime similar to this

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/94459-REG/B_W_65069555_30_5mm_Screw_In_Folding_Rubber.html

from following link

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1009&thread=42072910


with rubber hood and filter on.. the sony gw77 no longer pocketable. and blur the lens.
post #46 of 637
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Originally Posted by spyker1212 View Post

saw this on dpreview forum.
you can buy something like one below but small size diameter
http://www.photopoint.ee/en/product/17099/big-filter-holder-for-compact-cameras-43mm-420901
or sometime similar to this
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/94459-REG/B_W_65069555_30_5mm_Screw_In_Folding_Rubber.html
from following link
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1009&thread=42072910
with rubber hood and filter on.. the sony gw77 no longer pocketable. and blur the lens.

Interesting, the rubber hood may work depending on how flexible the rubber is and the outside diameter of the part that surrounds the lens and flash. Based on this picture with the 3 camcorders side by side it doesn't appear that the lens is recessed all that far, so my big concern would be on how best to protect the lens while its in a pocket, camera bag, or under water:

http://store.sony.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&productId=8198552921666458540&XID=O:sony%20gw77:dg_cc_gglsrch:p&k_id=1f07c9b9-e21d-97a9-82cd-0000338e3f50#gallery
post #47 of 637
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"Is there a way to protect the lens from getting scratched via a lens cap or UV screw in filter or some other method?"

The lens is NOT exposed. The lens is covered by a permanent glass shield that is scratch resistant and also sheds water. So there is no coating to scratch. This is part of the ruggedness design.
post #48 of 637
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Originally Posted by KnowledgeSeeker View Post

Interesting, the rubber hood may work depending on how flexible the rubber is and the outside diameter of the part that surrounds the lens and flash. Based on this picture with the 3 camcorders side by side it doesn't appear that the lens is recessed all that far, so my big concern would be on how best to protect the lens while its in a pocket, camera bag, or under water:
http://store.sony.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&productId=8198552921666458540&XID=O:sony%20gw77:dg_cc_gglsrch:p&k_id=1f07c9b9-e21d-97a9-82cd-0000338e3f50#gallery

the sony gw77 is intended for casual and rugged use.

it is suppose to work like cellphones camera. no need protection lens with bulky attachments.
post #49 of 637
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Three San Antonio videos.

No rain or sand storms so the GW77 was acting like regular, but pocketable, camcorder.


The first video is of Riverwalk, and plays with reflecting light, color and dof, with a quarreling bird interlude.

https://vimeo.com/46206319


The second conveys the Alamo experience during the day and in the evening.

https://vimeo.com/46224323


The third brings Mariachi music, taken in a very dimly-lit local restaurant. Trumpets but no car horns.

https://vimeo.com/46229529

All videos shot at 108060p.
Edited by markr041 - 7/23/12 at 9:33pm
post #50 of 637
Nice vids Mark, thanks for posting. I have to download them but they look very good on my computer monitor. This cam continues to impress me. It seems to do well in all filming scenarios. Auto focusing, wb and exposure all work well for the most part. The cams auto exposure was pretty impressive in some of your "Alamo" video that had "not so desirable filming conditions". The Mariachi band showed good sound and low light capability.

The cam could definitely be my next much improved PlaySport at some point. If I was not starting to get into 3D so much I would pick one up, (have to use those Sony Rewards points on something). A new 3D camera or 3D cam upgrade is first on my list.

I think I recall you filming the Alamo before with another cam..is that correct? I have been to San Antonio, the "Riverwalk" is such a nice experience. If you are in San Antonio the Alamo is a must as well. I really liked that town and the people were very friendly. I spent alot of time at "Knuckleheads" while there. Alot of former Pennsylvania residents hang out there, including the owner.
Edited by tingham - 7/24/12 at 1:53pm
post #51 of 637
I have purchased the RX100 to supplement my A77 and the big lenses. Shirt pocket-ability, shallower DOF and better pictures made me buy this in lieu of the HDR-GW77. Waterproof was not high on the list.

It will be here Thursday so I'll report in. I try not to zoom much in videos, but from what I've seen Mark, it does notify you when you've entered into "digital zoom hell" and the sample .mts files I'll pulled down one cannot hear the record button in the recording. Also you cannot hear the zoom either; it's quiet.

So that leaves us with "not as sharp" as other camcorders and "not as much zoom range". Ok, I'll give you that. But I like F/1.8 for some nice shallow DOF wide angle shots, and being able to put in my shirt pocket. I don't have to film something in super far away tele-macro mode to get shallow DOF. And if that's not enough, I'll pull out the A77 and shoot 70-200 @ F/2.8. smile.gif
post #52 of 637
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Good question. The GW77 is obviously a camcorder that does stills. But it is using a new (to consumers) military technology used for surveillance that uses AI to upscale resolution, by a lot. Here is a picture I took, in mediocre light (f3.1, 1/60th):
DSC00005.jpg
The front grill, purposely, is in focus and the background is not. So do not judge sharpness other than the grill (it was able to focus on what I wanted, and I wanted shallow dof).
The colors look good, and at this resolution (downscaled for posting), the sharpness and detail is fine. But I am sure the RX100 is better for stills. Don't know about the Hx9v; might test.
Oh, and it is the only Sony camcorder that has the sweep panorama mode capability (including high resolution).

Do you have any other pics from the GW77? With all due respect, that looks pretty bad.
post #53 of 637
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Tingham: You are right - I posted a video from the Alamo using the JVC HM400 two years ago! Here is the link:

https://vimeo.com/10394295

It is interesting to compare the videos: The HM400 video now looks a bit soft with perhaps less dynamic range and is less fluid (maybe Vimeo's dealing with interlaced) compared to that of the GW77, and it was at the time one of the sharpest camcorders.

Here (again) is the GW77 Alamo video:

https://vimeo.com/46224323

Shield: The RX100 is a good choice to complement the A77. Its videos will mix in well with those from the A77, as they share the same softness and moire but good dynamic range. The GW77 videos would stand out too much and make the A77 videos look soft.

If anyone wants to see the difference between what a real camcorder like the GW77 and a big sensor still camera that does video produces, I shot in the same garden and under the same lighting conditions that I took the GW77 video a video using the Sony NEX-5N, which is a large sensor camera that no one argues is inferior to the RX100 (and some have argued is superior to the A77 in low light).

Here are the links to the two videos:

First, the NEX-5N (with kit lens) video:

https://vimeo.com/29018746

Then the GW77 video (same as the original post, here again for convenience):

https://vimeo.com/45606199

The NEX-5N video looks very nice, but then when you see the GW77 video you see clearly the resolution difference (and some NEX difficulty with red). I would expect the RX100 video will also be nice-looking, with good dynamic range, and its softness would only be apparent when compared with a camcorder.
Edited by markr041 - 7/24/12 at 9:30pm
post #54 of 637
Stopped in a Sony store on a whim & played with one. Seems impressive, although I don't have a memory card to bring the footage home with me.
Use to have a HG20 & this may be a future camera for me, especially if I start skydiving lessons.
post #55 of 637
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1. At the end of the day big cameras reduce the amount of creativity because one is unable or unwilling to carry them around. And lately, small has not meant the compromise that it used to. The biggest development in photography and videography is the availability of small but good.

Oh, man, that is so true. There are so many times when I feel it's a hassle to shlep around my camcorder, that I don't bother taking it out.
A lot of the newer camcorder models are small and light, but the GW77 must be tiny. What's the size comparable to?

I am really impressed by the videos, it looks like Sony also brought the image up a notch from last year's compact 60p models.
post #56 of 637
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"the GW77 must be tiny. What's the size comparable to?"

The GW77 is about the same size as the Sony HX30v compact P&S and just 10% larger (in volume) than the Sony "best pocket camera ever made" RX100.
The GW77 is lighter than both - by about 9-10% (including battery).

In contrast, the Pansonic TM900 is about twice the size of the GW77, and *without* any battery (and the battery is large) weighs almost twice as much.
post #57 of 637
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"the GW77 must be tiny. What's the size comparable to?"
The GW77 is about the same size as the Sony HX30v compact P&S and just 10% larger (in volume) than the Sony "best pocket camera ever made" RX100.
The GW77 is lighter than both - by about 9-10% (including battery).
In contrast, the Pansonic TM900 is about twice the size of the GW77, and *without* any battery (and the battery is large) weighs almost twice as much.

Thanks.
I don't own those cameras, either...are we talking like a "deck of cards", "computer mouse" small, etc.?
post #58 of 637
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Here is a link to a Sony video showing the camera being used so you can see the size (in the hand):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUhs6I5bSZE
post #59 of 637
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"Do you have any other pics from the GW77? With all due respect, that looks pretty bad."

Here are two pictures at f1.8, wide angle (no telemacro):

DSC00021.jpg

DSC00007.jpg

Yes, you can get shallow dof wthout tele macro mode at f1.8. With a big sensor camera, the dof might be so shallow the picture would look odd.
post #60 of 637
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Here are two pictures at f1.8, wide angle (no telemacro):

Yes, you can get shallow dof wthout tele macro mode at f1.8. With a big sensor camera, the dof might be so shallow the picture would look odd.
Mark,

If you had taken took the same shots with the HX9V, what do you think you would see? I ask because I bought the HX9V as a "travel camera and camcorder". It seems you are finding the GW77 considerably better at video, but do you also think it better at travel photography? And, no I'm not talking about specs and pixels. I am asking about visual quality and impact.

Thanks.

Bill
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