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post #61 of 92
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So according to some posts here every time you go into a store if you don't buy you're waisting the salesperson time?

not necessarily
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That is lunacy. How many times have you gone into a store to research between several products. I have done this many times. I had no intention of buying so i was waisting the sales person time?

yes
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I don't normally go into a store with one and only one model that I'm looking at. I touch, play, look and listen. Then go home and do more reading as i narrow down what i want. So every time I do this I'm waisting a sales persons time?

yes, unless you give that salesperson an opportunity for the sale, then no
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I thought that was their job to help us decide what to buy based on our needs, and what we can afford.

it is
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So when you buy a car you must have bought from the first dealer you went to, don't want to waste the sales person time.

not necessarity
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I must be an a@@H%^& I went to a Ford, Chevy, Lexus and Toyota and only bought from one of them. I can't believe I wasted those sales persons time. Don't know how I will live with myself.

I'm sure you'll find a way.wink.gif

...anywho, this discussion as sidetracked completely. The original debate was not about shopping like this poster is describing. It was about someone going in a store purposely tying up a salesperson that's trying to make a living and turning around leaving without even trying to give that salesperson a chance for the sale, not shopping and then buy from one of the place you visited.
post #62 of 92
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Originally Posted by coytee View Post

Whenever I've been in a store browsing (wasting time) and a sales person approaches me, I'm always 100% clear that I'm only looking, wasting some personal time while waiting on the wife (or somethign like that) and am not a buying customer. If there are other people milling about, I'll say that they might want to talk to them because they are only wasting their time with me as there is no sale going to happen.

Sometimes they smile, thank me and go to the next customer, sometimes they say "nah, they've been helped by George... what are you looking at and I'll play it for you" and basically join me in my lurking about their store. Sometimes we end up having a nice session and 'talk shop' about the subject at hand.

I think they appreciate knowing straight up that I'm a dead end and wiling to be honest about it rather than lie and act like "oh, I'll come back later after I think about it" or some crap like that.


I might add that I've been in/around sales for a good part of my life and detest time wasters. If you're interested, great. I'll bend over backwards to help you as much as I possibly can (not necessarily upsell you but to try to assess your needs and fill your needs accurately AND honestly). If you are not interested, that's great too... just say so and don't make me waste my time by calling you back "next week" like you asked me to... only to put it off again.

I only ask that you treat me with the same respect.

I've never had a salesperson get outwardly put out by my honesty with them.

oh you terrible salesperson who is out to "rip off" ppl how dare you ask for such courtesy?eek.gif I'm kidding of course and I agree with you.
post #63 of 92
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Originally Posted by joehonest View Post

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Originally Posted by Chu Gai View Post

Yeah but Low Spark was all about drugs -heroin and cocaine- right?

That's the beauty of music, lyrics and poetry, its means something at all levels of life.

Going into a retail store just to look / listen and play around is America's #1 past time, soldiers fight for our freedom to do this..
Sales people win some and lose some, sometimes the sales person gives it away, so the next one may have to be riped-off, but it won't be me balancing their books...

If by "America" you mean "North America", I'll have to disagree with you, if you meant the U.S. of America, well, I doubt that's what they fought for.
post #64 of 92
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Originally Posted by joehonest View Post

Please give me a break !! Who in this world cares if or wants the sales person to make big bucks from your sale, Its screw or get screwed...
Like the song from Low Spark Of High Heeled Boys by Traffic. " The man in the suit has just bought a new car from the profits he made on your dreams "

 

I always liked this one myself:

 

From Genesis' "Chamber of 32 Doors" -

 

"I'd rather trust a man who works with his hands".  wink.gif

post #65 of 92
Having worked for years in retail, sales, restaurants, it is easy to spot which ones of the posters here only tip 5%!!!! I truly value the jobs I had in retail and service sector as it gave me real understanding of just how tough a job it is to deal with customers and for low pay.

I do exactly as coytee does when browsing and it really works well. It is part of being considerate to others.
post #66 of 92
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Originally Posted by PeterK View Post

Having worked for years in retail, sales, restaurants, it is easy to spot which ones of the posters here only tip 5%!!!! I truly value the jobs I had in retail and service sector as it gave me real understanding of just how tough a job it is to deal with customers and for low pay.
I do exactly as coytee does when browsing and it really works well. It is part of being considerate to others.
and societies where tips are uncommon must be filled with wicked souls?

A tip is supposed to be an expression of gratitude for good service, and not an entitlement. Its an incentive system to encourage good customer service, just like a commission is used to encourage sales. If the employee is unsatisfied with his wages, he should take it up with his employer and if he still doesnt like it, he can quit. People that work as customer service reps on help desks usually dont get tips but typically have to put up with more crap than some sales guy or waiter.

Everyone who has earned their income are free to spend it however they deem fit. You may enjoy giving a 100% tip for a particular service, while another may decide on 0%. None has the right to criticize the other for his choice.
post #67 of 92
Can i post 1 cent of word?.
The last time i went into a bb home theater section was a month ago,
i was looking at their smart t.v.s and then i kept hearing boom,boom,boom. So i walked in the home theater section and one guy was listening to some sort of music sounded like techno,
but damn they must of had the gain all the way up because it sounded boomy. Not to mention the speakers he was demoing was the pioneer's sp-fs51-lr along with b&w sub,
the audio sounded like it was distorting i couldn't believe it. I asked the guy if i can look at the receiver menu in nice way,he said sure so guess what i found? speaker levels were maxed out 10+ 10+ sub 10+. I just don't understand how best buy can allow this to happen,aren't they suppose to calibrate their setup?. LOL I'm with every one else bestbuy home theater sections sucks for demoing speakers. Sorry mad.gif
post #68 of 92
Meh, Best Buy is what it is and the Magnolia departments of the ones in the Dallas area could easily be improved by 50% (maybe 100%)
In the speaker room, simply connect all of the speakers to the wall plates and set one AVR to stereo direct (no processing / no EQ, then set the parental lock so it cannot be changed).
In the "theater room" get three systems setup and calibrated, AVR and speakers matched by price high/high, mid/mid, low/low (no its not optimal but its a small store demo room).
That's all it would take and not only would Best Buy be (almost) the only place to listen to audio gear it would become a good place to listen to audio gear.
Now that Amazon has started to collect sales tax in Texas all the other states with distribution centers will quickly follow suit so that price advantage for Amazon will be lost in the most populated states.
That advantage was significant since most cities in Texas sales tax was 8.25%, that additional tax was a tough sell on a $1000+ transaction even if a particular store manager was willing to price match.
I would really like for Best Buy to stay in business, but they are a sick company for many reasons,
If there was ever a company crying out for the entire board of directors to go under cover as customers and shop the stores across the nation to see what is actually going on from the consumers prospective it is Best Buy. It sure would not hurt if the executives took a clue from the Under Cover Boss show and worked for a week or two in various departments to see that side too.
It is a fine line in retail to have product available to sell and being stuck with product you cannot sell, but when I go to a store to buy something the last thing I want to hear is we can order it (yeah, so can I) and the next to last thing I want to gear is the display unit is the last one (great, just what I wanted, a full price used unit).
Both happen far to often at Best Buy.

As far as wasting a retail sales person's time... I am not heartless to a their plight, but the number of times (in my 50+ year life) that I have actually been helped by a retail salesperson (fetching it from the back does not count as help) can be counted on one hand. The rest of the time the salesperson should be grateful I knew what I wanted and they were lucky enough to be the next in line when I walked in.
My experience with professional sales through suppliers and distributors is a different story, the vast majority of those interactions have proven to be very productive.
post #69 of 92
I see the next step for Best buy is to start selling food, prescription drugs, carpeting and oil changes.
SUPER BEST BUY coming soon to your area eek.gif
Edited by joehonest - 7/15/12 at 4:06pm
post #70 of 92
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Originally Posted by drusierdmd View Post

Ugg I had a terrible BB experience this weekend. Upon walking in, I head to the TV section. The sign on-top of a stack of boxes literally says ($100 off..was 899 NOW 999!) I showed a nearby rep with a big smile on my face and he had to read it like 3 times to understand. Then I asked if I could see the Panny GT/VT series. He asked if it was an LED tv, right then I decided to just have fun with him. (I just purchased/researched a panny 65gt50 and was very familar with their product line). So he brings me to the stand-alone HT display and says "this is what you want, the panasonic TC" I bent down, looked at the tag. It was an ST. He then tells me Panny does not make a VT, I am mistaken. So we go look at the advert with all of panasonics line-up. Well there it was VT/GT/etc (magnolia stores only). maybe he learned something.
So then I decided to get a few 3d blu-rays for my new TV. As luck would have it they had a $5 off for checking cell upgrade eligibility. The rep was nice enough to give me 2 coupons since I have 2 cell lines. I thought I was going to get a deal...wrong. I find the 3d section and am shocked at the price..$35...$40 for movie. That is MSRP and not really BB fault. However I did look up a few titles on Amazon and found $40 titles for $22 bucks; that is BB fault. Anyways pick up two and check out.
Several hours later, I realize "despicible me" was not the 3d version (it was wrongly in the 3d section). So I go back to exchange it. They don't have the 3d version. The only other title I want is, you guess it, $35-40. After waiting in line for 15 mins for one lady to return her spectre 40"lcd, it was my turn. They swiped my drivers license to track how many returns I have. For an un-opened BD. Fortunately, I only shop there once every few months. Now I will ONLY browse, my money is going to Amazon.

Your 90 day ban to return to best buy will start with your next return, this may also cause you problems in other retail stores and may effect your credit rating....
post #71 of 92
Paged through this thread pretty quickly, so I apologize if someone else has mentioned this already.

I find it interesting that you guys keep saying its a waste of a salesman's time to use Best Buy as a demo room. You guys act like its the sole responsibility of a salesman to just demo the product. Its not. The job of a salesman is to sell. In this scenario, the salesman has the following:

A customer in his store
A customer who wants to make a purchase
A customer who knows what they want to purchase

At this point, its no longer about selling a product, its about selling the customer on buying from him instead of somewhere else. Its up to the salesman to determine why they aren't buying from Best Buy. Its up to the salesman to then SELL the customer on purchasing from Best Buy rather than going online. If they can price match they need to offer a price match. If they have some perks like free same or next day delivery they need to push that. If there are some other competitive advantages they can offer, they have to promote those as much as possible.

Selling is their job. Most businesses would love the opportunity of people to just walk into their store already interested in making a purchase.

And if Best Buy goes out of business as a result of things like this, then they don't deserve to be in business. Either a new B&M store will come in and take advantage of the market Best Buy left, or stores like Amazon will find new ways to serve their customers. I bring Amazon up because they have announced plans in major markets to offer same day delivery. You want to demo speakers? Buy from Amazon, have them shipped later that day, test in your own home, and decide to keep them or return them with no shipping or restocking fees. That sounds like a much better option to me.
post #72 of 92
I went in to Magnolia about two weeks ago to look at the Onkyo 818 receiver. They didn't have it of course, but the salesperson said that he could order it and have it by the end of the week in the store. He went on to say that Amazon and other online sources are killing them with Onkyos due to the huge price reductions. He said they are going to keep a very limited stock of Onkyos and even try to sell something else like Marantz or Denon, which usually don't see the huge discounts the Onkyos do.
post #73 of 92
Best Buy is based here in Minnesota about 15 miles from my house. With that, I been to several flagship Magnolia stores in Minnesota and time and again I am just dumbstruck.. Couple of recent examples:
- Walked into the Mineetonka Magnolia store on a busy Saturday (this was less than a year ago). I see three Best Buy reps standing together laughing and joking around. I start to browse the 3D HDTV displays. They have three large 3D demo HDTV's setup with seats, glasses, etc. I walk up to the Panasonic display and it has a big error message on the screen.. Go the Samsung display and there are no 3D glasses anywhere to be found but the TV is playing 3D content... Go to the next 3D demo and it is playing a 2D movie....

- Go into the demo room where they have a Sony projector hooked up and their higher end speakers. Projector is flashing an error message and does not seem to work. About half the speakers were not even hooked up for demo. Not once while I was browsing through the entire department did one of the three slackers stop and ask if I need anything. I was there probably a good 20-30 minutes too.

Going to the Magnolia store in Maple Grove is not much better. There was a girl that was actually very helpful and seemed to know her stuff, but I have been less than impressed with anyone else that works there (if you can get them to notice you). Like the Minntonka store I often see demos that are not working properly and speakers that are not even hooked up sitting on the showroom floor.

So when I hear excuses that Best Buy cannot compete with Amazon, I tend to agree. They seem to have bred a culture of laziness in almost every store I have been to. If you cannot compete with Amazon on price, then you have to kill it in all the other areas. Great customer service (Best Buy, IMHO consistently has terrible CS), great sales, great demo experience, etc. People tend to be impulsive buyers, if you nail the demo and sales pitch and are close on price and offer great CS, people will buy from you.

I have bought lots of electronics at Costco for just this reason. Good pricing, free extended warranty, and great customer service.
post #74 of 92
It is amazing. We used to have specialty retailers like Sound Advice, Tweeter and privately owned companies. People put them out of business by shopping at BB and Walmart. Then they complain that customer service at BB sucks, all the while putting them out of business by shopping at Amazon.
post #75 of 92
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Originally Posted by michaelkingdom View Post

It is amazing. We used to have specialty retailers like Sound Advice, Tweeter and privately owned companies. People put them out of business by shopping at BB and Walmart. Then they complain that customer service at BB sucks, all the while putting them out of business by shopping at Amazon.

It is simple really. If you cannot compete on price then you have to be able to do other things really well.
Best Buy does none of these things. Price. Amazon or Walmart is usually cheaper. Customer service? Best Buy, in my experience, is really poor here. Have you ever tried price matching something or returning something? Sales people are clueless most of the time.

Let me give you another pet peeve of mine. I saw a digital camera that I had been eyeing on sale at Best Buy. Cheaper than Amazon. Nice. I decide I will buy it. Check online and it says the store closest to me does not have it in stock, but a store another 10-15 minutes away does have it stock. Drive to the store further away. Guess what, they don't have it in stock.. Girl working in the camera section says to try the store that is closer to my house.. So I give them a call, and they say they have it in stock.. Slightly irritated, but whatever... Drive to the store near my house. They have one left, but the price is not what is advertised online. The salesman says we can match our online price. Okay... But for some reason he cannot get the price to override (he spends like 20 minutes trying) and has to get a manager who is busy so it takes me like 40 minutes to buy something that should take 5 minutes...

So Best Buy, get your online store and your physical stores to actually provide accurate inventory management. And it would also help if your online and in-store prices matched for sale items...

Tweeter by the way... I have been to two of them in my life and I felt like I was going to a car dealer. Really pushy annoying salesman, and really poor customer service if you ever had to return something. Was like the Spanish Inquisition. And their pricing was crazy...
post #76 of 92
Electronics manufacturers will eventually adopt universal pricing strategies (some have already started), and states will eventually require sales tax for online purchases (some have already started). This will inevitibly change the dynamic of online vs B&M stores.
post #77 of 92
I typically go to Magnolia stores to look at what's being pushed in the consumer market for fun. I bought a Pioneer Elite SC-35 for my parents from the Novi, Michigan store. I went in about 7-8 months later and the younger guy working in the A/V section remembered me, remembered that I bought the Pioneer Elite, and asked how I had been liking it. I was pleasantly surprised.
post #78 of 92
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Originally Posted by bfreedma View Post

+!
Nothing like wasting the time of a salesperson when you have no intention of buying. Bad protocol.

They dont work on commission.
post #79 of 92
I think most everything can be blamed on management of these large retailers for killing themselves.

Best buy is going downhill because of poor customer service and lack of ease of transactions.
Tweeter got killed due to high prices, poor sales and pushy salespeople.
Management and their policies are to blame for their current state of affairs.

Amazon *might* lose purchasers due to adding tax and other things if buyers need some service if the pricing is the same.
Small local, usually custom, shops have survived and a lot have grown due to a focusing of their services and products. Most do not have showrooms and most of their customers do not care what products are used as long as they perform, are reliable and everything works.

But a majority of potential customers won't know to buy locally if they aren't told of the possible drawbacks to buying online versus the potential advantages to purchase from their local stores.

Now, Zappos have done a remarkable thing within the shoe industry. They have proven that a high volume retailer can have good customer service and policies due to management being on top of their game. After being a Zappos customer, I am now loyal due to their fantastic service, ease of purchasing, amazing return policy and amazing customer service, over the internet or over the phone. Many companies can learn from them, that you can have a high volume, profitable company that doesn't sacrifice customer service.

I agree that many electronics manufacturers will limit their products to sellers that will hold their prices and won't discount to the level we have seen before. Samsung is one company that comes to mind that has made moves towards this model. Now, there will be other manufacturers, like LG, that won't do this as they try and gain market share. Sadly, I don't think this discounting is the way to go as Samsung and Sony have both posted losses in the millions due to their flatscreen products. One is also devaluing their product by allowing the deep discounting to continue and their name gets dragged down along with their prices. Polk Audio and Jamo comes to mind.

Funny thing is that Best Buy knows the price differential between their website versus the showroom. Management has told it's employees not to give customers the best price if they don't know of the different price online. But this has bitten them since virtually everyone has a smart phone now. But they still haven't corrected this discrepancy across the board.

But, then again, I could be wrong. But probably not.
Edited by ifor - 7/18/12 at 5:00am
post #80 of 92
Well I went to a local Magnolia/Best Buy store this week and it is being completely redone in a new format. Apparently Best Buy is trying to counter Amazon and offer a better experience for shoppers than they have in the past. We shall see, but I will report back.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/711121-best-buy-s-transformation-more-like-circuit-city-not-at-all-like-apple
post #81 of 92
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Originally Posted by ack_bk View Post

Best Buy is based here in Minnesota about 15 miles from my house. With that, I been to several flagship Magnolia stores in Minnesota and time and again I am just dumbstruck.. Couple of recent examples:
- Walked into the Mineetonka Magnolia store on a busy Saturday (this was less than a year ago). I see three Best Buy reps standing together laughing and joking around. I start to browse the 3D HDTV displays. They have three large 3D demo HDTV's setup with seats, glasses, etc. I walk up to the Panasonic display and it has a big error message on the screen.. Go the Samsung display and there are no 3D glasses anywhere to be found but the TV is playing 3D content... Go to the next 3D demo and it is playing a 2D movie....
- Go into the demo room where they have a Sony projector hooked up and their higher end speakers. Projector is flashing an error message and does not seem to work. About half the speakers were not even hooked up for demo. Not once while I was browsing through the entire department did one of the three slackers stop and ask if I need anything. I was there probably a good 20-30 minutes too.
Going to the Magnolia store in Maple Grove is not much better. There was a girl that was actually very helpful and seemed to know her stuff, but I have been less than impressed with anyone else that works there (if you can get them to notice you). Like the Minntonka store I often see demos that are not working properly and speakers that are not even hooked up sitting on the showroom floor.
So when I hear excuses that Best Buy cannot compete with Amazon, I tend to agree. They seem to have bred a culture of laziness in almost every store I have been to. If you cannot compete with Amazon on price, then you have to kill it in all the other areas. Great customer service (Best Buy, IMHO consistently has terrible CS), great sales, great demo experience, etc. People tend to be impulsive buyers, if you nail the demo and sales pitch and are close on price and offer great CS, people will buy from you.
I have bought lots of electronics at Costco for just this reason. Good pricing, free extended warranty, and great customer service.

I couldn't agree more. It's pretty sad when you're at the store which is 5 minutes from their corporate HQ and nothing works and the salesmen are all standing around, jerking each other off. I used to work for Circuit City until they went under and they fell victim to the same thing Best Buy is starting to succumb to, lazy employees, period. But, then again, when you pay people poorly and only give them 15 hours of part time work per week, can you really expect them to care? In a perfect world, we all should care about our job, no matter what it is. But, in reality, that just doesn't work. I've been to a lot of bad Best Buy stores. However, the couple that are within a few miles of me are the exact opposite. I can't get in and out without at least six blue shirts approaching me within five minutes of entering the store. I'm the kind of guy that knows what he wants and where he's going when he enters a store, so this drives me nuts. However, it is nice to see at least one person ask if you need help. I just hate when I get bombed by ten of them in five minutes.

At the end of the day, Best Buy has a tough road ahead of them. Amazon and other online stores can undercut them so much because they don't have hundreds of retail locations to operate and pay for. What Best Buy should be doing is closing some stores down, they don't need a store every five miles and looking for other ways to cut down on spending. Circuit City thought they were untouchable and had stupid, arrogant executives in charge. And by the time they realized the ship was starting to sink, it was too late to plug the leak. Best Buy is headed in that same direction if they don't make some major changes. And while I don't take joy in thousands of people losing their jobs, Best Buy has it coming and so do most of the snotty, grumpy, uniformed employees that work there.
post #82 of 92
Well even if Amazon collected sales tax they still would be cheaper than Best Buy. I'd rather something be delivered to my home rather than wasting time and money going to Best Buy.
post #83 of 92
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

The last quote by KidHorn is explained by the first two quotes. rolleyes.gif

That is exactly correct, they no longer have brick and mortars because of the guys using them as a free audition and then buying elsewhere. Im always blown away by the attitude that some feel a brick and mortar should incurr costs to provide you with a free demo so you can then buy elsewhere. Well, dont worry guys this is already happening to Best Buy too which is why they are going bankrupt. Soon they will be gone too, and then the free loaders will have a hard time looking at new big screens live before buying online, LOL.

I have no issue with the internet model, but going into a brick and mortar with the specific intention of not buying but to just demo to buy elsewhere is lame at best..maybe some day you clowns who do this will open your own business and have people demo your stuff without any intention of buying anything. Now wouldnt that be poetic justice? biggrin.gif
post #84 of 92
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Originally Posted by MrEastSide View Post

I couldn't agree more. It's pretty sad when you're at the store which is 5 minutes from their corporate HQ and nothing works and the salesmen are all standing around, jerking each other off. I used to work for Circuit City until they went under and they fell victim to the same thing Best Buy is starting to succumb to, lazy employees, period. But, then again, when you pay people poorly and only give them 15 hours of part time work per week, can you really expect them to care? In a perfect world, we all should care about our job, no matter what it is. But, in reality, that just doesn't work. I've been to a lot of bad Best Buy stores. However, the couple that are within a few miles of me are the exact opposite. I can't get in and out without at least six blue shirts approaching me within five minutes of entering the store. I'm the kind of guy that knows what he wants and where he's going when he enters a store, so this drives me nuts. However, it is nice to see at least one person ask if you need help. I just hate when I get bombed by ten of them in five minutes.
At the end of the day, Best Buy has a tough road ahead of them. Amazon and other online stores can undercut them so much because they don't have hundreds of retail locations to operate and pay for. What Best Buy should be doing is closing some stores down, they don't need a store every five miles and looking for other ways to cut down on spending. Circuit City thought they were untouchable and had stupid, arrogant executives in charge. And by the time they realized the ship was starting to sink, it was too late to plug the leak. Best Buy is headed in that same direction if they don't make some major changes. And while I don't take joy in thousands of people losing their jobs, Best Buy has it coming and so do most of the snotty, grumpy, uniformed employees that work there.

BB is closing stores, lots of them. Im guessing some day they will be gone like Circuit Ciy. Everyone better get used to seeing nothing live before buying and having no local store to run too in a pinch for something. That day is approaching for better or for worse.
post #85 of 92
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Originally Posted by michaelkingdom View Post

It is amazing. We used to have specialty retailers like Sound Advice, Tweeter and privately owned companies. People put them out of business by shopping at BB and Walmart. Then they complain that customer service at BB sucks, all the while putting them out of business by shopping at Amazon.


Yep, its pretty comical indeed. Drive the profits down tothe point they are forced to hire dirt cheap untalented labor by shopping online and then complain you are not happy with their customer service?? Same thing has happened accross the country with local bike shops, they are almost all gone and yet you see guys who buy online complaining that they have no local bike dealer to go to and look at bikes at? Hahahahahahahahaha. Be careful what you wish for, cheaper, chraper, cheaper, you just might get it.
post #86 of 92
When I go to restaurants, I preorder a carry out pizza from my favorite (carry out only) pizza place.

I go to the restaurant, sit at their table, open the pizza I brought in with me and open the 2-liter drink I brought with me.

I do this because the pizza place is strictly carry out, has no place to sit down and eat and can be messy on the fingers while eating.

By going to the restaurant and using their table, I can also use their napkins and knife/fork if need be.

I figure since I'm only borrowing their table, the waiter/waitress doesn't need to wait on me very much (though I might need a couple extra napkins) and I won't even have to leave a tip, after all, it's not like I ordered anything from them. I just used their table/chair while I ate my pizza.

it's a SWEET thing, I'm telling ya!
post #87 of 92
A store is a store is a store. This is a political matter, not an audio speaker matter and conversations of this kind should be discussed on a political forum, not a speaker forum.

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post #88 of 92
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Originally Posted by BeeMan458 View Post

A store is a store is a store. This is a political matter, not an audio speaker matter and conversations of this kind should be discussed on a political forum, not a speaker forum.
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This is not a political matter. A political matter would be discussing who you think your next President should be. This is a thread discussing stores that sell SPEAKERS.
post #89 of 92
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Originally Posted by Breako View Post

This is not a political matter. A political matter would be discussing who you think your next President should be. This is a thread discussing stores that sell SPEAKERS.

Coytee's and your comments goes into the political and I don't want to see that here. Keep political protest garbage and the conflict of big box stores, internet sales, mom and pop, brick-n-mortar stores and employee wages out of AVS. Discuss speakers, not the politics of buying and selling at the retail level. I don't watch it on the television and I don't want to read it here.

Grrrrrrrrr!

And you can bet I won't be back to this thread to read anybody's response as it's about speakers, not politics.

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post #90 of 92
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Originally Posted by BeeMan458 View Post

Coytee's and your comments goes into the political and I don't want to see that here. Keep political protest garbage and the conflict of big box stores, internet sales, mom and pop, brick-n-mortar stores and employee wages out of AVS. Discuss speakers, not the politics of buying and selling at the retail level. I don't watch it on the television and I don't want to read it here.
Grrrrrrrrr!
And you can bet I won't be back to this thread to read anybody's response as it's about speakers, not politics.
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You don't need to get back to this thread. What you do need to do is break open a dictionary, and comprehend what the word "political" actually means! If you are too lazy to do it I'll do it for you. According to Websters, political - of or relating to government, a government, or the conduct of government. There are seven other sub definitions which ALL relate to government structure, policy, etc. Every one of them specifically relates to government. eek.gif
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