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Stage and riser on basement slab confusion

post #1 of 5
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Hi guys,

I've searched around and read numerous threads and am still a little confused on what approach to take on this and was hoping someone could clear this up.

I have a 15'10" x 26' theater area in the basement that I plan on putting a false wall in for the screen area to put the speakers behind AT screen and have two rows of seating (back row on riser)

I have M&K S-150's across the front so they will be on shelves or stands. I would also like to put 1 or 2 subs behind the screen wall as well.

Questions:

1) since it's on a concrete slab, do I need to build a stage (for acoustics) with sand or can I just leave the area behind the screen wall concrete? Maybe put 1" linacoustic down? The subs will be on the ground behind the screen wall. Would a stage serve any other purpose other than aesthetics? The screen wall will be your typical GOM wrapped panels.

2) Can I just build shelves into the framework of my screen wall to accommodate the front 3 speakers or would this cause acoustical problems? Roofing felt under them on the shelves? Use stands?

3) regarding the riser - should I put roofing felt or some other material down first? Since it's a slab, is there any reason to raise it up (U boats, hockey pucks, etc). I plan on filling it with insulation as well. I've also read to leave a small gap between the riser and the wall. can all of the frame touch the floor or should I suspend the middle cross boards with hangers? Should I also keep the insulation off the concrete?

Any help would be appreciated!

Thanks,
Phil
post #2 of 5
Concrete is an excellent conducter of sound. A sand filled stage is a great isolation/dampening device for speakers located there.

Build the shelves into the screen wall if you want. put a rubber pad under the speaker.

Roofing felt is a good idea, Raise it on Uboats if you are mounting butt-kickers in the riser itself. Gap is a good idea for the stage, not as important but can't hurt for the riser.

If you build the perimeter with 2x10s yes you can build in interior supports with 2x8s (Or other sizes you pick). Depending on the span, mid span supports might be a good idea.

In any case use 2 or 3 layers of decking with either roofing felt or Green glue between layers.

Placement of insulation is not critical unless you are turning the riser into a bass trap.
post #3 of 5
Thread Starter 
Thanks Big. I wouldn't have thought that about concrete. I would have figured it'd be "dead"

to avoid using 100 bags of sand could I just put the subs on mini sand filled platforms?

Also, are there any guidelines for stage height and the corresponding soffit above the stage to have it look aesthetically appealing? My ceiling height is 7'7"

I thought about using the riser as a bass trap but reading into it, it sounded like if not done exactly right, it could do more harm than good.

I am also considering buttkickers but thought it would be easier to just mount them on, or get them built into the chairs themselves. Thoughts?

Also, what's a good all around width for the riser in order to accommodate most reclining theater seats? I haven't picked out the exact ones I want yet.
post #4 of 5
Partial sand is better than no sand but filling you stage with sand is an official AVS Forum rite of passage.

You don't have a lot of head room at 7'7 first thing you should do is look at the riser height calculator and figure out where you can put the screen on the wall and have a clear line of sight from the second row. Once you know that you can determine from the remaining area the desired height of the soffit and stage.

riser needs at least 6 1/2 ft for reclining seating, it is also a really good idea to have some room behind the rear row so that the rear seats aren't tight to the rear speakers.

yes butt-kickers directly in the chairs.
post #5 of 5
And don't forget about the trick of using a mini riser just under the footprint of your rear seats. If the riser calculator gives you a riser height that conflicts with your soffit, keep the overall riser a little low and make up the difference with a mini riser under the seats.
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