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Poll Results: Which date works for you? Please vote only once.

Poll expired: Aug 3, 2012  
  • 33% (5)
    Saturday, September 15th
  • 20% (3)
    Saturday, October 13th
  • 46% (7)
    Saturday, October 20th
15 Total Votes  
post #61 of 605
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Side note - I just picked up my receiver with xt32. It would be great if someone with 'expert' setup experience could attend! biggrin.gif
post #62 of 605
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Voting ends this Friday the 3rd at midnight EST. Get your votes in now, as of now October 20th is in the lead. wink.gif
post #63 of 605
It looks like I am good for the 20th biggrin.gif. I just need to figure if I can hitch a ride from someone in my area or I am on my own. But I will be there.
post #64 of 605
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Originally Posted by Gorilla83 View Post

Great I'm sure you will have a blast.
Side note - it would be great to get a second submersive and a pair of the jl 113s to listen to. biggrin.gif

Looks like my Submersive F2 will be arriving tomorrow, so if they both fit in my car I can bring an HP and F2.
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Originally Posted by Gorilla83 View Post

Good question. I do have a copy of the blu ray demo disc, so that should cover most of the popular scenes for movies.
As for music - it would be really cool if someone with an eclectic collection could put together a demo disc in the interest of saving time. Let's say we cover samples of: classic rock, modern rock, hip hop, dubstep, jazz, etc.
Thoughts?

We could always use one of Archea's compilations. This brings up the question of the format for the GTG. Is it going to be more of a shootout where each sub is level matched, same music and movies played and scores given out or a more informal listening session with different selections and different volume levels for each sub? Also, will there be any EQ? (Audyssey, MiniDSP, etc.) Some of this may depend on how many subs will be there and how much time we have.

I definitely want to at least take a sweep of each sub with the same mic position, and possibly increasing sweep levels until compression, measurements at multiple locations in the room and spec lab captures. I am willing to take and organize the measurements.

-Mike
post #65 of 605
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Originally Posted by ironhead1230 View Post

Looks like my Submersive F2 will be arriving tomorrow, so if they both fit in my car I can bring an HP and F2.
We could always use one of Archea's compilations. This brings up the question of the format for the GTG. Is it going to be more of a shootout where each sub is level matched, same music and movies played and scores given out or a more informal listening session with different selections and different volume levels for each sub? Also, will there be any EQ? (Audyssey, MiniDSP, etc.) Some of this may depend on how many subs will be there and how much time we have.
I definitely want to at least take a sweep of each sub with the same mic position, and possibly increasing sweep levels until compression, measurements at multiple locations in the room and spec lab captures. I am willing to take and organize the measurements.
-Mike

Mike,

That is awesome regarding the F2 - can't wait to hear and see it.

As for the format - I'm open to opinions, but would prefer to keep it informal to keep the 'fun' in the event. I will definitely hit up Jonathan (Archaea) for some ideas on music clips as well as for some advise in general for the meet. Thoughts?

I now have a new Denon 4311ci which as you know has XT32 capability. I also have a miniDSP if we choose to use that. With the amount of subs that will likely be attending, my vote would be to just run Audyssey and take sweeps with the Omnimic disc. The sweeps are definitely useful for those who cannot attend so a somewhat fair subjective comparison could be made. Thanks for volunteering for the data capturing. smile.gif I'm an Audyssey newb as well so could probably use some tips setting that up.
post #66 of 605
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Originally Posted by Gorilla83 View Post

I now have a new Denon 4311ci which as you know has XT32 capability. I also have a miniDSP if we choose to use that. With the amount of subs that will likely be attending, my vote would be to just run Audyssey and take sweeps with the Omnimic disc.

Running Audyssey each time means the speakers and the subwoofers will sound different each time you calibrate. I'd suggest not using Audyssey at all or try running it with the sub set to "no/none" and you can test to see if it will leave the subs alone and just correct the speakers. I've heard some say this approach won't work, and others who've done it and say it does. It's very easy to find out either way with a measurement setup.
post #67 of 605
Hey guys,

I have silently followed the previous GTG thread as well as this one... I would love to hear the subs on the list that I haven't heard yet (Most of them) I'm up in Boston so it's a little bit of a hike for me to get there. I will also be car-less by September, so perhaps I can hitch a ride or rent a car to attend. However- I will have brand spanking new Arx A5 towers (http://www.avsforum.com/t/1421120/new-arx-a5-towers / http://www.theaudioinsider.com/product_info.php?p=arx-a5-floorstanding-loudspeaker&products_id=216&) in a couple weeks so if I can make it, I'd be happy to bring them if anybody is interested to hear them. (While taking a break from hearing all the subs)

Also contingent of course, on if Andrew has the space to set these up somewhere for some informal listening... I could bring a receiver if Andrew doesn't have an extra one lying around. I also have a HP SubM but since others have already volunteered to bring theirs I won't lug mine down there.
post #68 of 605
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Originally Posted by Mark Seaton View Post

Running Audyssey each time means the speakers and the subwoofers will sound different each time you calibrate. I'd suggest not using Audyssey at all or try running it with the sub set to "no/none" and you can test to see if it will leave the subs alone and just correct the speakers. I've heard some say this approach won't work, and others who've done it and say it does. It's very easy to find out either way with a measurement setup.

Mark - thanks for the tip. Like I said, I'm an audyssey newb and appreciate the advice. I do have an omnimic so we could run a few before/after sweeps or just forgo it altogether.
post #69 of 605
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Originally Posted by Ryansboston View Post

Hey guys,
I have silently followed the previous GTG thread as well as this one... I would love to hear the subs on the list that I haven't heard yet (Most of them) I'm up in Boston so it's a little bit of a hike for me to get there. I will also be car-less by September, so perhaps I can hitch a ride or rent a car to attend. However- I will have brand spanking new Arx A5 towers (http://www.avsforum.com/t/1421120/new-arx-a5-towers / http://www.theaudioinsider.com/product_info.php?p=arx-a5-floorstanding-loudspeaker&products_id=216&) in a couple weeks so if I can make it, I'd be happy to bring them if anybody is interested to hear them. (While taking a break from hearing all the subs)
Also contingent of course, on if Andrew has the space to set these up somewhere for some informal listening... I could bring a receiver if Andrew doesn't have an extra one lying around. I also have a HP SubM but since others have already volunteered to bring theirs I won't lug mine down there.

Hey - I actually do have another setup in the living room you could use, which is where my main setup is in use now.

As for the subm HP - we actually have one confirmed as of now - if there is any way you could bring yours so we could compare duals vs. my captivators, that would be awesome.
post #70 of 605
I might be convinced to bring my HP SubM. Anybody else going to this GTG from Boston? It would save me some money to just pitch in for gas money rather than have to rent a car for the day...

BTW, for those of you too lazy to click on the link, here is a pic of the Arx A5:


I agree with gtpsuper24's description of them: "Looks like it might be one of the best bang for the buck tower speakers out there. A 3 way tower using planar ribbons, light curvilinear doped cellulose cone with alloy phase plug and cast alloy basket, and 3 XBL2/ Splitgap long throw woofers."


I've been in a pre-release Group Buy for these since October and can't wait for these to finally be in my living room!! Anyways, if any of you are interested in seeing/hearing them at the GTG, speak up- otherwise I may end up just leaving them set up in my living room home theater...

-Ryan
post #71 of 605
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Originally Posted by Ryansboston View Post

I might be convinced to bring my HP SubM. Anybody else going to this GTG from Boston? It would save me some money to just pitch in for gas money rather than have to rent a car for the day...
BTW, for those of you too lazy to click on the link, here is a pic of the Arx A5:

I agree with gtpsuper24's description of them: "Looks like it might be one of the best bang for the buck tower speakers out there. A 3 way tower using planar ribbons, light curvilinear doped cellulose cone with alloy phase plug and cast alloy basket, and 3 XBL2/ Splitgap long throw woofers."
I've been in a pre-release Group Buy for these since October and can't wait for these to finally be in my living room!! Anyways, if any of you are interested in seeing/hearing them at the GTG, speak up- otherwise I may end up just leaving them set up in my living room home theater...
-Ryan

Ryan,

I'd think you should be able to find at least a few people from your area with interest in coming down. I also wouldn't mind hearing those speakers and we could even compare them against my Polk monitor 70s. But you shouldn't bring them just on my interest alone - would anyone else be interested in these? They can be set up in my living room with a Yamaha receiver and acurus amp.

As for the submersive - absolutely bring it if you can. biggrin.gif


All - the date is now set to October 20th!!
post #72 of 605
wish i was going to be able to make it... frown.gif

i expect full reports... smile.gif
post #73 of 605
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Originally Posted by Gorilla83 View Post

But you shouldn't bring them just on my interest alone - would anyone else be interested in these?

I'd be interested in hearing them too. Those drivers are rather intriguing.
post #74 of 605
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Originally Posted by JimWilson View Post

I'd be interested in hearing them too. Those drivers are rather intriguing.

Also forgot upstairs I also have deftech bp30, bp2002, and a pair of magnepan mmg's to compare as well if anyone is interested.
post #75 of 605
Just picked up my submersive F2 this weekend. If I can get both the F2 and HP box in my car, both will be coming with me to the GTG. Or if people would prefer, I might be able to bring the HP and a pair of Catalyst 8Cs.

For the format, I agree with Mark about not running Audyssey. I would rather just use the minidsp to EQ the subs. I've never used the minidsp, but with REW or Omnimic, it should be relatively easy to EQ the subs to relatively flat and verify the interaction with the main speakers. Also, I think it would be good to select a few movie scenes and musical selections that we would listen to at the same level for each sub. Then after that, open it up for whatever people want to hear at whatever playback level.

If I had to choose a single movie clip, it would be Master and Commander, LOTR:FOTR or Tron. For music, it would be a drum and bell demo track that Mark played at a previous GTG in PA, but I don't know the title.

-Mike
post #76 of 605
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Originally Posted by ironhead1230 View Post

Just picked up my submersive F2 this weekend. If I can get both the F2 and HP box in my car, both will be coming with me to the GTG. Or if people would prefer, I might be able to bring the HP and a pair of Catalyst 8Cs.
For the format, I agree with Mark about not running Audyssey. I would rather just use the minidsp to EQ the subs. I've never used the minidsp, but with REW or Omnimic, it should be relatively easy to EQ the subs to relatively flat and verify the interaction with the main speakers. Also, I think it would be good to select a few movie scenes and musical selections that we would listen to at the same level for each sub. Then after that, open it up for whatever people want to hear at whatever playback level.
If I had to choose a single movie clip, it would be Master and Commander, LOTR:FOTR or Tron. For music, it would be a drum and bell demo track that Mark played at a previous GTG in PA, but I don't know the title.
-Mike

OK - sounds like the consensus / best practice is to leave audyssey out of the picture. I'll have to make up some connectors with RCA for the minidsp as I'm sure not everyone will want to use XLR inputs. smile.gif I also have my XLR to RCA cable which works fine as well. The interface is rather simple to use - it allows for ~6 filters per channel, plus distance/phase/crossover changes if you so desire. I could probably throw up some screenshots to share to give you guys an idea. I'm by no means an EQ/room correction expert, but the minidsp is pretty easy to use.

The movie clips you mentioned are part of the BluRay demo disc I have. I'm also opened to any music clip suggestions - I'd imagine whatever we chose should be consistent across all the subs we demo. I don't have an extensive music collection outside of compressed mp3s, so if anyone who does could help out with a 'demo disc' or something similar that would be great. biggrin.gif
post #77 of 605
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Originally Posted by Gorilla83 View Post

I'm also opened to any music clip suggestions - I'd imagine whatever we chose should be consistent across all the subs we demo. I don't have an extensive music collection outside of compressed mp3s, so if anyone who does could help out with a 'demo disc' or something similar that would be great. biggrin.gif

Johnny Lang's Lie To Me is a good test CD, especially for kick drum. I can bring that one.
post #78 of 605
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Originally Posted by Mark Seaton View Post

Running Audyssey each time means the speakers and the subwoofers will sound different each time you calibrate. I'd suggest not using Audyssey at all or try running it with the sub set to "no/none" and you can test to see if it will leave the subs alone and just correct the speakers. I've heard some say this approach won't work, and others who've done it and say it does. It's very easy to find out either way with a measurement setup.
Mark are you coming?? I would love to hear a pair of your Catalyst. I know it is a sub GTG, but I am sure I am not alone!! I am having the itch to upgrade again. I may just change my screen name to Upgrad'en!!
post #79 of 605
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Originally Posted by ironhead1230 View Post


If I had to choose a single movie clip, it would be Master and Commander, LOTR:FOTR or Tron. For music, it would be a drum and bell demo track that Mark played at a previous GTG in PA, but I don't know the title.

-Mike

I think this is it...

Ironhead1230's drum and bell demo track that mark played
post #80 of 605
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Also, I think it would be good to select a few movie scenes and musical selections that we would listen to at the same level for each sub. Then after that, open it up for whatever people want to hear at whatever playback level.
If I had to choose a single movie clip, it would be Master and Commander, LOTR:FOTR or Tron.

I can add Avatar as well, in case anyone's interested in using that.
post #81 of 605
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Mark are you coming?? I would love to hear a pair of your Catalyst.quote]
X2!
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I can add Avatar as well, in case anyone's interested in using that.


Jim - I actually have Avatar as well, but appreciate the offer! biggrin.gif
post #82 of 605
I have a feeling somebody might want to check this out...

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1421535/jtr-captivator-sub/0_20#post_22299244

Or at least might after the upcoming meeet. wink.gif
post #83 of 605
Where are all the east coast enthusiasts?

Andrew you'd better get a few more subs there if you expect me to fly out to PA. (yes I saw what you did on that first post.) tongue.gifwink.gif

I've been to your house (and loved it) -- but as far as auditiong the gear this time round - - - I own the caps, one of my local friends on avsforum owns a pair of HSU VTF-15Hs and another of my local friends on avsforum owns a pair of submersives. I've heard the Rythmik before. That's giving me one set of new subs to hear. The Dual XV15's. What else is on the list? biggrin.gifredface.gif

EAST COAST WHERE ARE YOU! Line em up!
Edited by Archaea - 8/11/12 at 7:41pm
post #84 of 605
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I have a feeling somebody might want to check this out...
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1421535/jtr-captivator-sub/0_20#post_22299244
Or at least might after the upcoming meeet. wink.gif

I agree, definitely worth checking out for anyone in the NC area! Hard to beat that output for 1400!
post #85 of 605
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Where are all the east coast enthusiasts?
Andrew you'd better get a few more subs there if you expect me to fly out to PA. (yes I saw what you did on that first post.) tongue.gifwink.gif
I've been to your house (and loved it) -- but as far as auditiong the gear this time round - - - I own the caps, one of my local friends on avsforum owns a pair of HSU VTF-15Hs and another of my local friends on avsforum owns a pair of submersives. I've heard the Rythmik before. That's giving me one set of new subs to hear. The Dual XV15's. What else is on the list? biggrin.gifredface.gif
EAST COAST WHERE ARE YOU! Line em up!

I hear you, I'm also waiting for the others to step up! biggrin.gif lucky for me though, I've only heard the caps so far. biggrin.gif

Update to the basement room: projector, screen, receiver, and speakers are up and running! WOW, the screen is huge compared to my 65" dlp, haha.
Edited by Gorilla83 - 8/12/12 at 4:11am
post #86 of 605
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I hear you, I'm also waiting for the others to step up!

I can bring one of these. We can put it up against the Submersive. tongue.gif
post #87 of 605
At CEDIA a few years ago a God Smack track with dueling drummers was very popular.
post #88 of 605
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Originally Posted by JimWilson View Post

I can bring one of these. We can put it up against the Submersive. tongue.gif

Jim - Do still have access to any of the EbanLee products? It would be great to check them out.

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At CEDIA a few years ago a God Smack track with dueling drummers was very popular.

I have all the Godsmack you guys would care to listen to in MP3 format. biggrin.gif
post #89 of 605
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Updates - a work in progress!

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post #90 of 605
NICE!!!

It's getting close to moving time. I hope I can still make it to the GTG.
Edited by Hksvr4 - 8/13/12 at 9:12am
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