MED1000X3D High Definition 3D Multimedia Player - Page 24

A little info, if anyone uses handbrake at all. I have run a ton of rips to try and be able to play my Apple TV m4v/mp4 on the med1000x3d. I like to use handbrake for tv/comedies/kid shows to save some space and be able to watch on atv, iPad, iPhone. Anyway, the files do not work on the mede8er, the player will play all parts of the files, just not together. But if you rip and switch the soundtrack order it works on both. Put the ac3 5.1 track first, then the second as the AAC 2 channel and it will work on both players, and all the iPads etc. I have been on mede8er forum and the are super helpful, hopefully they can tweak the firmware to support the default files. ( I have a ton, and for some reason the remux are not working on both, I get audio but no video on the med1000x3d or if I remux it works on the mede8er, but then I get video and no audio on the atv? Anyway if you want to make files that work on both just make sure the 5.1 track is the first track, then you have a pretty universal file. It is odd the ntv500 played them, xbmc does, but mede8er does not like the handbrake (any profile, atv, high , etc) if the 2 channel audio comes first.

This is sad. A 23.976 stutter was fixed long ago in the Micca. I thought for sure this would improve my situation. Instead it has actually hurt it at the moment - I still have no way to properly play 3D SBS files with this player, and now I learn that 23.976 files stutter even in 2D mode. This is a shame I wish I had known about this issue before hand - I would not have bought this player unless/until I learned that it was resolved. I really hope this is on a priority to get resolved. How can this even be considered a serious media player when it can't play a common framerate like 23.976 without stuttering?

As Canton posted a few posts back, good things are coming...

Thanks for the replies. Usually I do have 24Hz on, but there are times when I do prefer 24hz off, and it shouldn't stutter if I choose to watch it at 60Hz. My tv will display whatever it gets sent. It the Samsung ES7500. It supports full 24Hz input. If I send it a 24Hz signal it automatically displays 24Hz. If I send it a 60Hz signal it displays 60Hz. There is no 24Hz mode on my tv - it is all automatic. It displays what it gets sent as long as it's 24Hz or 60Hz. The tv cannot display 50Hz - if I send it 50Hz it says it cannot display the signal - I've tried it in the past.

Yes, my Yamaha is set to passthrough. It won't even upscale a 720p signal if I wanted it to - and it doesn't touch 1080p signals - only the higher-up models do. It only upscales standard-def signals, not HD signals. It just passes through HD signals.

I had no issues at all playing 23.976 files at 60Hz with the Micca. Since 3D had issues with that player also, due to the off-center issue, I used it only for 2D, and I never had any stutter in 2D mode with 23.976 - and sometimes I would watch it with 24Hz on and sometimes I would watch it with 24Hz off - either way it played as it should with no stutters. So I was not doing anything wrong - I'm not doing anything different here than I was doing with the Micca - everything set the exact same way - and the Micca did not stutter with 23.976 content played back at 60Hz. It played smoothly with no stutters. So this is not my doing.

I hope the stutter does indeed get fixed with V2 - I'm keeping my fingers crossed. I'm still trying some things with the location of the unit to get a better signal from the remote. I believe it's the loacation of where I sit where it comes out a bit far and seems to block my path just a bit - but my AVR and blu-ray player are much much lower on the stand and have no issues at all with receiving their remote commands, so this player is definitely more finicky when it comes to the remote signals.
Edited by eagle_2 - 12/28/12 at 8:07pm

do you have your autoframerate ON or OFF ? leave it allways off, it only change the resolution between 50hz and 60hz, but your tv doesnt support 50hz so its useless.

24hz in X3 should be allways on, and not sometimes off

i dont have issues playing 24hz at 60hz because my tv is doing a great interpolation job, but still i have true motion off and i dont watch it in 60hz.

you should do 24hz all the time. 3:2 pulldown means that since movies are recorded at 24Hz and most TVs refresh at a rate of 60Hz, you cannot display each video frame for an equal time. Since 24 does not divide evenly into 60, the TV has to display one frame for 3 refreshes, then the next frame for 2 refreshes. This messes up the timing.

what type of files are they, are they from web ? do you ripped them yourself ? what program do you use ?
you should post a mediainfo of the files that you seeing issues.

saying that does files in micca plays fine, doesnt matter, they are different players, with different playback functionality.


i check you tv and looks its 240hz correct, is multiple of 24hz , like 72/96hz or 120/240hz, that the reason you should allways use 24hz

please everyone read this article is very informative

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_7_4/dvd-benchmark-part-5-progressive-10-2000.html
Edited by canton160 - 12/28/12 at 9:27pm

Autoframerate is OFF. I haven't even turned it on once as I understand it only affects 50Hz or 60Hz output, so I didn't touch it.

I understand about 3:2 pulldown. However, regardless of what some say we all should do, some people do not like, or are not used to, the look of true 24Hz motion. I have grown up my whole life on CRT sets, and I am very much used to the look of 3:2 pulldown. Sometimes I I find 24Hz a bit too jerky - and I understand that this is because of the 24fps natural film "judder" - but that doesn't change the fact that some people are just used to watching 60Hz. I understand that something has to happen to divide 24Hz into 60Hz. All I know is that my Micca used to do it somehow, without any noticeable framerate issues whatsoever, and this one has very noticeable stutter every 10 or 15 seconds. So the Micca was doing something right that this player isn't doing.

As far as frame interpolation - I hate frame interpolation, and I absolutely hate the soap opera effect. I do not have frame interpolation on with my tv. The Samsungs call it "Auto Motion Plus", and it is off.

Plenty of people have their players output 60Hz, and there's nothing wrong with this. I have said before - the Micca played 23.976 files perfectly fine at 60Hz with absolutely no stutter or dropped frames at all - we watched dozens of films at 60Hz and no stutter. This player = stutter on all 23.976 films when set to 60Hz. All my 23.976 files stutter with this player when set to 60Hz - some I download, some I make myself for my own use from my blu-ray discs.

Also, I heard from more than one person that this is being fixed for the V2 firmware. How can it be fixed if there's nothing wrong? You're telling me that it is my fault for wanting to play the 23.976 files at 60Hz when it should be set to 24Hz mode, but yet I keep hearing how this "issue" has been fixed and it won't stutter in the new V2 firmware. Which is it? How can the V2 firmware fix the issue if it's my fault and it isn't an issue?

The bottom line is the Micca could do it smoothly at 60Hz, so there's no reason why this player shouldn't be able to also.

Also - this is from the rep over on the Micca thread - post #559 on page 19 - this explains exactly how it was fixed:


"Guys, I have an update regarding the 23.976fps issue.

A new firmware version of 1.0.3.9 has been posted, which changes the 60p video output to 59.94Hz instead of 60Hz. When 23.976fps material is played without switching to 24p mode, the proper 3:2 pull down occurs with no extra/skipped frames."

And also, from page 21:

"With the new batch of the EP950 layer, the 1080p/60Hz output is actually providing a 59.94Hz signal in harmony with NTSC signal timing. So 23.976 fps video will have proper 3:2 pull-down and play stutter free."

and:

"The new batch of players will output 59.94Hz in 60p mode, and 23.976 in 24p mode. So when NTSC-timing materials are played, such as 23.976, 29.97, and 59.94 frames per second, there will not be any video judder."

This is all from the rep. So this player should be sending out 59.94Hz instead of 60Hz - that way, as the rep said, when playing 23.976 without 24Hz mode set on, the proper 3:2 pulldown will occur with no skips. Right now this is not happening.

There's really nothing else to this - the player needs to be tweaked to output the proper 59.94Hz in order to properly do the 3:2 pulldown.
Edited by eagle_2 - 12/28/12 at 10:12pm

has i mention in my previous post, i dont have issues playing 24hz at 60hz, you have, i dont use downloads from the internets, dont do conversions, or mess with framerate in files....i buy, i rip , i load, if i have issues, i rip 2 or 3 times has long is necessary.

put your mediainfo in mede8er forum and asked them whats going on..

you and anyone else is free to play their files whatever frame they want , even if is pure rubbish full of artefacts and not to meant to be seen that way , from someone that complains from some remote, a off center issue that no one able to find out, i thought you are a perfectionist and video purist., guess not.

and for the last time the 23,976 is fixed 2D and 3D, coming in next firmware, what part dont you understand....

Sigh.

We already know what's going on. You just don't want to accept it. You're trying to blame my media files. It is not my media files. These same exact files play fine on the Micca. Why?

Because of the reason I posted in blue above.

The Micca rep explained very well above why that was happening. Before the update - it was outputting 60Hz, which was not allowing the proper 3:2 pull-down to occur. That is why there was stuttering. After that update, the problem was solved.

Why try to complicate things here and get in the way of finding a solution? The solution is to look at the timing like Micca did - by outputting to 59.94 the stuttering should be resolved.

- 23.976 fps files should be output @ 23.976Hz, not 24Hz. When the player is set to 24p mode, it should really be outputting 23.976Hz. Micca learned this and fixed it.

- When output is set to 60Hz, it should be 59.94Hz - that way 23.976, 29.97, and 59.94 fps files will all play smoothly at 60Hz with the proper 3:2 pull-down applied.

These are not opinions. These are facts that Micca learned and applied in their firmware to improve the player. I am trying to get this framerate issue looked at here. It is definitely something that needs to be addressed. Micca addressed it. All I'm asking is the the guys here at Mede8er do the same thing, as that solved the issue for the Micca. There is no reason to be rude here. I am only trying to pass on the relevant information.



"and for the last time the 23,976 is fixed 2D and 3D, coming in next firmware, what part dont you understand...."

But...you just got through blaming my files and my desire to play them at 60Hz for being at fault. So what is there to fix?
Edited by eagle_2 - 12/28/12 at 11:09pm

Why are you being so hostile here?

Again I post this from HokeySmoke on the Micca thread:

"My testing shows that that the image is shifted two pixels to the right and one pixel down. For side-by-side the right shift would be effectively doubled to 4 pixels since the TV will scale the image to twice its width."

Another user:

"Also as you noted SBS would be impossible to watch due to misalignment."

So why are you saying that nobody else has noticed this? This is not true. It has been confirmed by HokeySmoke.

And my tv screen size is 46" - my rips look fantastic and near blu-ray quality at that size. They are not "rubbish" - not by a long shot. They look miles ahead of the FiOS tv I get. Like I said, close to blu-ray quality. In fact, it's difficult to tell the difference often at that screen size.

eagle_2

You keep on polluting this thread with references to posts in the Micca forum. This is a Mede8er thread so please stay on topic. I have already told you on two occasions that our engineers will try to add some pixel shift adjustments for users like you that require this. So please can we close this subject.

Mede8er1

"Polluting"??

Is this an 1186-based player or not?? Well then since this player is suffering from the same framerate issues that other 1186 players have, maybe you should take some advice from other companies that have found out solutions to the problem, instead of getting mad at me and taking offense for posting how other 1186 developers have fixed the issues.

Wow. I've been posting about the framerate issue and you totally just blew by all that and mentioned the pixel shift adjustments that I know you already said you are addressing. I am referencing a totally different issue here. Micca found the solution to their framerate issue. They admitted there was a framerate problem and they fixed it (in 2D mode anyways). I posted that solution here so you will maybe be able to implement that same fix.

You call that polluting? Maybe I should just return the player then since all I'm trying to do is help and it seems obvious nobody wants to hear anything negative in here about this player. Sorry I tried to help by posting a possible solution.

eagle_2

There are many brands and many unknown players that use 1186 and the majority just use the RAW SDK from Realtek and maybe add some very simple window dressing.

Mede8er is totally different and the X3D series is a culmination of many years work on our customized code and all merged into the 1186. You are posting yesterdays news and we are well aware of these posts and these threads. If you had followed the Mede8er posts you would have read that we have been working on V2 that plays 2D and 3D in true 23.976fps for some time and in fact we released the first Beta to the Mede8er X3D Beta group this morning. I had invited you to join this group so if you did you could well start testing V2.

Its not that we dont want to hear any negative things but you keep posting old news and you are polluting this thread. I personally made a post on AVS on 19 Dec with a full Progress report about V2 and also invited Mede8er users to join the X3D Beta group to test the new V2

MED1000X3D High Definition 3D Multimedia Player - Page 20 post #571 -19Dec 2012


Mede8er1.

time to start testing the 29 dec v2 beta.

mede8er1,

May I ask how am I supposed to know what's old news here if I don't ask? Just because some of you people have been here for ages doesn't mean we all have. 3 weeks ago I never heard of this player. It was after my disappointment with the Micca that I learned of this player, and thought maybe this would resolve some issues. Apparently the Micca guys had never heard of the issues I and others had reported - and it is only the fact that the users there posted the issues that anything ever got addressed. The rep over there even thanked me in a pm once for helping out with issues, calling my posts and other owner's posts "invaluable" to their efforts to address their issues.

Sorry if all of this is old news to you over here. Again, how am I supposed to know that though? All I know is that I had stuttering where there wasn't any on the Micca, so I posted my concern here over it, and posted the fix they had used. That's really all this was about. I obviously rattled some cages here and that was not my intention. There was no need for anybody to get upset and frustrated just because I was offering some info on the subject. I was told by Canton, rather sharply, that it was my "rubbish" files that were to blame, and that I shouldn't play my "rubbish" files in 60Hz. That's what got me posting the quotes from the other thread - because it seemed Canton wanted to insist that it wasn't the player at fault, but rather my "rubbish" files.

Anyways, I'm sorry I brought any of it up. I guess when I have an issue I need to just keep it to myself. It's the best way to keep the peace.

eagle_2

ok - Lets move on and start testing V2.

Mede8er1

this is from avforums.com

Edited by canton160 - 12/29/12 at 2:30am

Does this mean that you would recommend using My Movies instead of YAMJ or Yadis for the mede8er jukebox? Sorry of the maybe silly question, but I never used a jukebox function before, and would like to know which software is the best before I invest time and effort into this. Thanks!

Just checked, now my movies data works with X3D!!

You installed 4.05 pre-release 2?

Yes. It was a no go with the earlier stable release.

So can I only install the My Movies "Collection Management for Windows" or do I need to install My Movies "Media Center"?

Thanks.

Only Collection management is required.

what exactly does the my movies update give you that wasn't already there? I have been using it for years and I already had the "about.jpg" files working. Are people referring to the XML files that don't seem to show up "down below" in the movie view. I.e. the description in the lower third that seems like completely wasted space but the movie info is there when you look at the manual pictures etc.. That still doesn't show up for me.

Very nice to see so many people around here being part of beta test group on 29 dec v2 , very helpful people testing the firmware with very positive results.

i notice one comment from one beta tester.

unfortunatly the rules doesnt allow us to speak about the tests itself.

Earlier for me, the scan would not find any movies and the area at the bottom would be blank. Now it finds movies and description, rating etc shows up at bottom.

Hope you have gone to my movies options and regenerated meta-data?

I did regenerate the metadata but there is no description. I have a couple of different XML files generated so I wonder if it's getting confused. Which XML file is generated for the mede8er?

Hey guys. Likely going to jump into this player and compare against my Dune. Now that MyMovies has added metadata support in the latest pre-release, more reasons to check this player out. One question I do have, does this player support BD-Live and full BD menu?

I am a newbie 1000X3D owner and just got done setting it up with all the cover art for my movie library and all this talk of V2 of the firmware has peaked my interest. The 1000X3D in my opinion is 85% of the way there and just needs some tweaks in the jukebox and overall presentation.

Wondering if any of the items from my wish list are included in the v2 update?

- Some way to identify if a move is - director's cut, extended, or unrated edition.
- Some way to sort by genre without me having to create genre folders and separate my movies manually. Which is silly anyway because some movies are more than a single genre.
- Some way to get more movies displayed on a single page than the maximum shown with "movies mode".
- Some way to better display TV shows and the individual episodes. (I admit I have not tinkered with this one yet but I hear from lots of people there is something left to be desired here)

I do have to say overall I am very satisfied with this player. It just needs a few tweaks to get to the top IMO!