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post #1051 of 1300
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Originally Posted by Bob Sorel View Post


1. forced subtitles are a BIG problem
2. I must use NFS instead of Samba to communicate with my unRAID server
3. 23.976 hz playback is not right
4. seamless branching titles have problems




1- they are, you can rip ONLY the forced subtitles with makeMKV that will fix bunch of movies , off course you will need to turn subtitles ON/OFF for specific content (all media has problems with 1)

2- you will be fine , it allows you to stream 3D iso, negotiation link must be 32768
3- 23,976 was fix long time ago, in the settings put 23,976 ON and autoframerate ON
4- again use makeMKV for all the seamless branching titles the movies will run 100% bug free (all media players has problems with 4)

regards
Edited by canton160 - 10/15/13 at 11:13pm
post #1052 of 1300
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Originally Posted by SJSJ View Post

I too wanted to buy the MED1000X3D and waited a year to see how it evolved. No FTP capability is my sore point. Samba just won't cut it!
I also wanted some sort of display (as in the impossible to find MED800X3D) that shows progress activity.
Instead, I just bought a Dune HD Smart D1 Network Media Player. It cost more, but my decision wasn't solely about the price.
I am told the Dune is super stable and plays full Bluray ISO. (It doesn't do 3D, HDMI1.4, or USB 3.0), but that's my trade-off.
The Dune HD Base 3D will do 3D but not menus from Blu-ray discs. the Smart H1 will do full menus but not 3D...

The mede8er x3D was realesed in sept 2012, this firmware came from 1.0 to 2.0 and currently in 3.0 version

No FTP is a option from the mede8er developer not implemented because it will open a hole in the firmware and others could copy their hard working "fw code"
No full menus affect all dune base 3d, a400 that are the only direct competitors to mede8er

The player you got dune, has full menus, but no 3D, and good luck with new firmwares and recent BD releases.

Just a exemple of X3D can do

Internal jukebox scrapper , TV Series or movies (no pc required)
external jukebox
Built in Subtitle Downloader (no pc required)
ipad, iphone jukebox control
WOL (Wake on LAN)
IP Stream App
3D MVC (TB or SBS)
3D ISO

etc etc etc
Join the fact that their forum is very supportive like i never seen.

check the X3D manual

http://www.mede8erforum.com/index.php/topic,12274.0.html
Edited by canton160 - 10/15/13 at 11:37pm
post #1053 of 1300
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Originally Posted by canton160 View Post

The mede8er x3D was realesed in sept 2012, this firmware came from 1.0 to 2.0 and currently in 3.0 version

No FTP is a option from the mede8er developer not implemented because it will open a hole in the firmware and others could copy their hard working "fw code"
No full menus affect all dune base 3d, a400 that are the only direct competitors to mede8er

The player you got dune, has full menus, but no 3D, and good luck with new firmwares and recent BD releases.

Dune still supports the older media players. So that shouldn't be a problem. I really don't understand what you mean with BD releases. It plays full BD ISO menus. The encryption is removed when you rip to ISO so it should be an issue for playback. Remember the Dune Smart Series media players are, in my opinion, the best 2D media players. Mede8er at the moment is the best 3D media player wink.gif
post #1054 of 1300
This topic in avforum.com say otherwise, 2 to 3 FW/year, and unsolved bugs.

http://www.avforums.com/forums/streamers-network-media-players/1329269-dune-hd-max-owners-thread-24.html

What Support this members have from dune?
email .....And some tech forums with no dune representative whatsoever.

I dont advice to purchase any discontinued model in this niche market, even if they have full Bd menus.
Edited by canton160 - 10/16/13 at 2:30am
post #1055 of 1300
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Originally Posted by canton160 View Post

This topic in avforum.com say otherwise, 2 to 3 FW/year, and unsolved bugs.

http://www.avforums.com/forums/streamers-network-media-players/1329269-dune-hd-max-owners-thread-24.html

What Support this members have from dune?
email contact.....and nothing else.

I agree that Dune doesn't have the best support, but the Smart Series media player are the best 2D media player with BD ISO full menu support.
post #1056 of 1300
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1- they are, you can rip ONLY the forced subtitles with makeMKV that will fix bunch of movies , off course you will need to turn subtitles ON/OFF for specific content (all media has problems with 1)
That is not a fix - it is a workaround. I have two 40 TB servers, both filled with ripped Blu-rays that have been remuxed to .MKV, and I have no intention of reripping them again or remuxing them again just so they will play in a Mede8er box. I always mux the forced subs in a separate stream, but I include both PGS and IDX full movie subs in case I need them with other players, or I am watching late at night and don't want to disturb my family. Like I said, J. River's Media Center has the best subtitle engine anywhere - it observes ALL flags, so on 2D material this is not an issue for me personally, but it is an issue that SHOULD be fixed in the Mede8er products. My concern is with 3D subtitles...
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2- you will be fine , it allows you to stream 3D iso, negotiation link must be 32768
So Samba has NOT been fixed??? I must still continue to use NFS? Hmmm...I guess I was too quick in giving Mede8er credit for fixing issue #2.
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3- 23,976 was fix long time ago, in the settings put 23,976 ON and autoframerate ON
Yahoo!!! One out of four issues has been fixed! smile.gif
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4- again use makeMKV for all the seamless branching titles the movies will run 100% bug free (all media players has problems with 4)
Once again, a workaround, not a fix. And how will that help with all of my audio CDs that depend on gapless playback for proper presentation? I might consider using makeMKV IF..... it becomes an accepted standard.
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(all media players has problems with 4)
True of hardware media players, but not of software players. JRMC handles both seamless branching and gapless playback properly. If only JRMC would do 3D, then I wouldn't be here at all, as everything it does, it does extremely well and it would be my "one box" solution for everything.
post #1057 of 1300
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Originally Posted by canton160 View Post

1- they are, you can rip ONLY the forced subtitles with makeMKV that will fix bunch of movies , off course you will need to turn subtitles ON/OFF for specific content (all media has problems with 1)

Once again, this is not a fix to the problem, it is a workaround and you are still forced to keep subtitles turned on. The only way to can state that forced subtitles work properly is this:

Are subtitles turned off on the media player: yes
Do the forced subtitles still appear: yes

If you can't answer yes to both then the forced subtitle issue is not fixed, plain and simple.

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Originally Posted by canton160 View Post

The player you got dune, has full menus, but no 3D, and good luck with new firmwares and recent BD releases.

Not making this a Dune vs Mede8er debate, but Dune still supports their older players, and if you don't care about 3D then that portion is a moot point
post #1058 of 1300
Guys, as much as I appreciate the help with workarounds, you seem to be missing the point. If we are to simply keep using workarounds to get the job done instead of keeping on Mede8er's back about fixing issues, then they will never get the job done because they will think that it is not important enough for them to fix these problems. I am not suggesting badmouthing or otherwise insulting the Mede8er people is the way to go, but rather we need to stop being complacent about the status quo and in a friendly way relate to them that these issues NEED to be fixed. To be honest, when I read the few pages of this thread, I had to laugh when I saw the ad for the 3.0 firmware - lots of new, shiny, pretty "features", but very few bug fixes - and why are these bugs not being fixed? - because YOU, the owners, are not complaining enough! You are instead using workarounds and letting the issues rest.

Mede8er1, PLEASE, step in here and address the four points that I mentioned in my first post. Please let us know what, if anything you are doing about the problems. Are they going to be fixed in the next firmware update? Are the solutions beyond your capability? Or do you simply feel that they are too insignificant to fix? Please...SAY SOMETHING.
post #1059 of 1300
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Are subtitles turned off on the media player: yes
Do the forced subtitles still appear: yes

If you can't answer yes to both then the forced subtitle issue is not fixed, plain and simple.
Absolutely correct! smile.gif
post #1060 of 1300
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Originally Posted by Bob Sorel View Post

That is not a fix - it is a workaround. I have two 40 TB servers, both filled with ripped Blu-rays that have been remuxed to .MKV, and I have no intention of reripping them again or remuxing them again just so they will play in a Mede8er box. I always mux the forced subs in a separate stream, but I include both PGS and IDX full movie subs in case I need them with other players, or I am watching late at night and don't want to disturb my family. Like I said, J. River's Media Center has the best subtitle engine anywhere - it observes ALL flags, so on 2D material this is not an issue for me personally, but it is an issue that SHOULD be fixed in the Mede8er products. My concern is with 3D subtitles...

Sorry to hear you fell this way, but the world doesnt spin around your 4OTB (i have 12 TB also ) movies and the america and uk are stuck in forced subtitles, because theres no 3D player out there that make forced subtitles.

Workaround is better than NO solution.

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Originally Posted by Bob Sorel View Post

So Samba has NOT been fixed??? I must still continue to use NFS? Hmmm...I guess I was too quick in giving Mede8er credit for fixing issue #2.

Samba works fine, but NFS is better

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Originally Posted by Bob Sorel View Post

Once again, a workaround, not a fix. And how will that help with all of my audio CDs that depend on gapless playback for proper presentation? I might consider using makeMKV IF..... it becomes an accepted standard.

Again workaround is better than NO solution
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Originally Posted by Bob Sorel View Post

True of hardware media players, but not of software players. JRMC handles both seamless branching and gapless playback properly. If only JRMC would do 3D, then I wouldn't be here at all, as everything it does, it does extremely well and it would be my "one box" solution for everything.

We are all on the same boat in middle of the ocean, from time to times comes a rescue boat where gives more space to stretch legs, warm blanket and coffee cup, the ones that want stay in their old boat good luck with their journey.

I advice to anyone to read this threat from beginning and check the features that exist in firmware 1.0, than check 2.0, and 3.0 latest, and will see its a massive improvement from mede8er.

A few pages back , someone was complaining about lack of TV series, there you go , TV series scrapper built-in, theres bugs like forced subtitles that take longer than others, some will be fix, some will dont, but having a WORKAROUND is never a bad option.

regards
post #1061 of 1300
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Originally Posted by Bob Sorel View Post

Guys, as much as I appreciate the help with workarounds, you seem to be missing the point. If we are to simply keep using workarounds to get the job done instead of keeping on Mede8er's back about fixing issues, then they will never get the job done because they will think that it is not important enough for them to fix these problems. I am not suggesting badmouthing or otherwise insulting the Mede8er people is the way to go, but rather we need to stop being complacent about the status quo and in a friendly way relate to them that these issues NEED to be fixed. To be honest, when I read the few pages of this thread, I had to laugh when I saw the ad for the 3.0 firmware - lots of new, shiny, pretty "features", but very few bug fixes - and why are these bugs not being fixed? - because YOU, the owners, are not complaining enough! You are instead using workarounds and letting the issues rest.

Mede8er1, PLEASE, step in here and address the four points that I mentioned in my first post. Please let us know what, if anything you are doing about the problems. Are they going to be fixed in the next firmware update? Are the solutions beyond your capability? Or do you simply feel that they are too insignificant to fix? Please...SAY SOMETHING.

@bob
get a media player Med600x3d and post your REAL experience feedback, now complaining that the X3D owners dont complain enough, rolleyes.gif

the FW and player must be doing something right or not biggrin.gif
post #1062 of 1300
I'm with Canton on this one. After trying out several 3D streamers (even the Oppo before they stopped ISO support) (HiMedia, Popcorn Hour, Micca, etc.), Mede8er has been the most solid for 2D and 3D MKV and ISO network playback. The forced subs issue is an inconvenience (and appears to be related to RTD1186 chip limitation), but other than that, I have zero complaints about Mede8er. Of the choices out there, for playback reliability and good firmware support (including a friendly forum), it's still the overall best 3D streamer to beat.
post #1063 of 1300
@Bob Sorel and dbone1026...

Chillax guys....I agree it would be great to have it all, but you don't, nor does Mede8er claim otherwise, so you know what you are getting into before buying.

Some of this things you are asking for seem to be a Realtek chip limitation, so all these media players that use that specific chip (to get 3d among other things) are in the same boat.

Why NFS 32k is better than SMB, I don't know, but this is really for 3d - 2d streams fine with SMB. Do your NAS boxes not support NFS? I have 20 TB on a Synology NAS, so the switch to NFS was trivial and carries no detrimental issues.

23.978 works great.

MakMKV is easy, and you don't have to convert everything, just those with forced subs and branching. Yes its a pain, but that's the reality. JRiver doesn't do 3d, nor does the older Dune. The newer Dunes are in the same boat as the Mede8er. My old Classe SSP800 didn't have room correction...my Oppo can't streamBDMV/ ISO any longer...my JL f113's can't play to 10hz...etc etc etc...( the oppo issue I'm legitimately pissed at, since they REMOVED the feature after purchase!)

Compared to any other media player company, Mede8er really does listen and has made great strides in trying to improve their product. As a former A-400 owner, I know the difference. Yes, I don't use many of the shiny features, though the built in scraper is really usefully to have.

I'm sure if they can "fix" some of these things they will, but there are hard limits with the BDA, so to stream means not to license, and not to license means you do lose some features.
post #1064 of 1300
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@Bob Sorel and dbone1026...

Chillax guys....

Ehh ? All I commented about was that the solution for forced subs is a workaround (I actually wouldn't even call it a workaround b/c you are still forced to manually turn subs on/off) and not an actual fix confused.gif

That being said, I think Bob's point is just that we shouldn't just accept shortcomings. Is Mede8er one of the top media players out there right now, undoubtedly yes. Regardless, as a consumer it is still fair of us to expect fundamental features for media playback to work. Unfortunately in this niche market that is typically not the case (especially at launch) but doesn't mean we shouldn't expect more.
post #1065 of 1300
I have a feeling if the forced subs issue was within Mede8er's ability to fix, it would've happened already. But, I agree it would be good if they let us know either way. With 2D BD's, I just rip to MKV with just the forced subs, so no issue. With 3D, where forced subs aren't separate tracks, 'Avatar' comes to mind, you're stuck either watching as MVC MKV (in which case other streamers don't support it), as dumbed down SBS, with no subs at all (can't understand Na'vi parts) or subs on through the whole movie (even during English spoken parts). None are ideal scenarios.
post #1066 of 1300
Time for Mede8er to look at different hardware?biggrin.gif
post #1067 of 1300
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

Time for Mede8er to look at different hardware?biggrin.gif

I don't know if true but I thought I heard (or it was suggested) that Realtek is no longer producing new chips.
post #1068 of 1300
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I don't know if true but I thought I heard (or it was suggested) that Realtek is no longer producing new chips.

At the moment they are still making / supporting the RTL1186, but for how long know one knows. I've been keeping a close eye on Realtek to see if they are going to make a new chip for media players, and so far I haven't seen anything. It appears that ARM chips are more inexpensive to make and most Android devices are going with that. So, who knows.
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At the moment they are still making / supporting the RTL1186, but for how long know one knows. I've been keeping a close eye on Realtek to see if they are going to make a new chip for media players, and so far I haven't seen anything. It appears that ARM chips are more inexpensive to make and most Android devices are going with that. So, who knows.

Yeah, I meant new chips, the rumor was there was not going to be new ones after the 1186 (like I said, just a rumor, no clue if accurate or not). No surprise though as even Sigma does not seem committed to this area anymore as well.
post #1070 of 1300
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

Yeah, I meant new chips, the rumor was there was not going to be new ones after the 1186 (like I said, just a rumor, no clue if accurate or not). No surprise though as even Sigma does not seem committed to this area anymore as well.

I think media player such as Dune, Mede8er and PCH will have to start thinking about using different hardware in the near future since Realtek nor Sigma appears to be interested in supply to this niche market anymore.
post #1071 of 1300
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1. forced subtitles are a BIG problem
2. I must use NFS instead of Samba to communicate with my unRAID server
3. 23.976 hz playback is not right
4. seamless branching titles have problems
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Mede8er1, PLEASE, step in here and address the four points that I mentioned in my first post. Please let us know what, if anything you are doing about the problems. Are they going to be fixed in the next firmware update? Are the solutions beyond your capability? Or do you simply feel that they are too insignificant to fix? Please...SAY SOMETHING.

1. forced subtitles are a BIG problem -
We have not given up and will continue to try to solve this but this is not by any means a guarantee that we can - We have other series in our range and our engineers have been focusing on the new V3 firmware for the X2 Series and will be back to X3D Series from next week I hope.
2. I must use NFS instead of Samba to communicate with my unRAID server -
I have no experience with unRAID servers and from what I have read I see no reason why Samba will not work .
If you are going to stream full 3DBDISO then we suggest you use nfs

3. 23.976 hz playback is not right - ?
this was fixed on V2 Firmware upwards
4. seamless branching titles have problems -
Yes and it seems like we do not have a solution for this other than using MakeMKV


Mede8er1
post #1072 of 1300
Thank you, Mede8er1! It is good to hear from you and to know the status of my issues. Please keep trying with the forced flag issue. As Brajesh explained, there is no good workaround when using BD-ISO format when the forced subs are included in the main sub stream and not in a separate stream. At this point, based on all of the good things I hear in this thread, and with Mede8er1's fast response, I am going to purchase the Med600X3D - it looks like basically the same unit as the 1000 but without space for an on board hard drive...It HAS to be better than my Micca and HiMedia boxes, and if nothing else, the proper playback of 23.976 hz 3D material will be worth the upgrade. Who knows, maybe I'll even check out the front end features...smile.gif

As far as makeMKV is concerned, I used it a few times a year or so back, and though it worked fine, I was not particularly impressed with its abilities to transcode audio and customize the remux process. I downloaded the latest version (which is good until the end of November) to try it again to see how easy or difficult it is to create a 3D MKV. I tried 2 titles, Avatar and iron Man 3, which I already had ripped to 3D BD-ISO. I simply ticked off the audio streams that I wanted and then only the forced English subs, and then made sure that I had ticked Mpeg4-MVC-3D. I then tried playing the MKV back using Zoomplayer and then JRMC (in 2D, though) and found that the audio was WAAAYYYY out of sync on both titles. The forced subs, however, played back correctly. For those of you who use makeMVC, is it NECESSARY to play back the MVC MKVs using the Mede8er box or should they play in 2D just fine on other players? Or, in other words, will the audio be in sync properly once played on a Mede8er box? I never had audio sync problems before when I tried out makeMKV, but that was when I was using it for 2D only...very puzzling...

OR, is there a way to create the same MVC 3D MKVs using eac3to and mkvmerge, my tools of choice? I can demux and transcode any and all streams just fine with eac3to, including the dual video streams. Could I just remux with mkvmerge making sure to include both video streams, or is there something more that needs to be done to make the two streams work together to create a frame packed 3D image that will play back properly on a Mede8er box?

If I could get these MVC MKVs working correctly I would be willing to convert my 3D BD-ISOs to MVC MKV - it's only about 8 TB worth of stuff, and I wouldn't have to do it for ALL titles - just the ones with forced subs and seamless branching.

Thanks to everyone for your help and replies!

Oh, and while you are here, Mede8er1, what is the status on gapless playback of audio files (WAV, FLAC, etc.)?
post #1073 of 1300
I'm getting more and more interested in the Mede8er players -- something different and a step up from my WD players. I've read the last couple hundred posts of this thread. People here seem most interested in issues related to 3D playback, which is understandable since the X3D series is aimed at 3D playback.

For someone like me who has no current or future interest in 3D but rather streaming of 2D BD.m2ts and DVD.iso -- should I be looking at the X3D series or the X2 series.
post #1074 of 1300
Heres a tutorial i made how to rip BD with MakeMKV (2D or 3D)

update : english version

http://www.mede8erforum.com/index.php/topic,9624.0.html
Edited by canton160 - 10/17/13 at 2:27pm
post #1075 of 1300
Thanks for the guide, Canton! After going through your guide it appears as if I am doing everything correctly, but the audio is simply WAAAYYYY out of sync - like about 10 seconds. As an experiment, I used makeMKV and created a regular 2D MKV using the same source ISOs, and as long as I don't tick the "Mpeg4-MVC-3D' box, then everything is in sync, so it is DEFINITELY the MVC option that is causing the problem. I tried searching around on the makeMKV forum, and it seems like others have had this same problem, but no solution has been mentioned. I also activated the log function and checked the log - no audio sync errors are being reported. It is with these symptoms that I have to wonder if the MVC MKVs can ONLY be played in proper sync using the Mede8er boxes. Maybe the extra stream, when played through a software 2D player, is somehow throwing the sync way off?

If someone has a properly synced MVC MKV available that plays perfectly on a Mede8er box and has a PC which has a software 2D player installed, could you try playing it using the software player to see if the sync is correct?
post #1076 of 1300
just made a quick english version of same tutorial its in mede8er forum

link

http://www.mede8erforum.com/index.php/topic,9624.0.html

@bob tick the MVC option for 3D movie only , for 2D movie leave MVC blank
post #1077 of 1300
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@bob tick the MVC option for 3D movie only , for 2D movie leave MVC blank
Yup...got it...thanks. Unfortunately that doesn't fix my problem...
post #1078 of 1300
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We have other series in our range
Hmm... any hints wink.gif?
post #1079 of 1300
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Originally Posted by Brajesh View Post

Hmm... any hints wink.gif?
I think he is referring to the X2 series.
post #1080 of 1300
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Originally Posted by Bob Sorel View Post


If someone has a properly synced MVC MKV available that plays perfectly on a Mede8er box and has a PC which has a software 2D player installed, could you try playing it using the software player to see if the sync is correct?

I bring some of my mkv /iso rips (the same that are on NAS and ripped with makeMKV ) i travel a lot, i use vlc, blu-ray player on the mac, and dont have any kind of lip sync.
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