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post #31 of 1300
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Originally Posted by halfelite View Post

I swore I read somewhere It had a custom self built firmware but I for the life of me cant find it anymore. If they are making a complete firmware and no longer using realtek turnkey it could mean fixed but also could mean lots of other things are broke, Might have to wait to see on this unit.
Damian commented that it's the non-Android firmware for this player that Mede8er could customize.

Via hdlandforum (French), some initial impressions were posted:
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- The menus are much nicer than before. It's a good point.
- BD Lite mode does not work well and generates bugs in particular network. When disabled, all falls into place.
- The Auto framerate not working well. The 23.976 Hz is well managed but the DVD NTSC saccadent.
- The network works fine, including the 3D BS ISO.
- The remote is not bad but some times, the buttons are pressed. Additional Power button located on the left side can not activate accident ... Not glop! For cons, the shot of backlit keys, too cool!
- Web applications work quite well and are pretty fast including Internet browser.
- The box is quite heavy. It smells seriously.
- Access times are extremely short on including BD ISO. Resume playback works well on all files.
- The subtitles are displayed well and cleanly.
- The DVD upscaling works particularly well, including on NTSC DVD.
- The placement system of internal hard drive is original and practical.
- The connection is ultra complete.

Overall it's a good machine but the firmware is not yet finalized. But there is still one month to Mede8er to improve the firmware before the release.

Above is via Google Translate. Good to hear 23.976 "well managed", but author doesn't say whether it's fine for 2D and 3D film-based material. BD-lite bugs are concerning as it would be needed for playlist select for 2D and 3D BD-ISO's. Hopefully, Mede8er is actively looking here (or will be) and at other forums in order to release updated firmwares quickly.
post #32 of 1300
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Originally Posted by MediaConcept View Post

Price will be ~$220
http://www.mediaconceptusa.com/mede8er.html

Anything more than 149 USD, including taxes and shipping is pricey.
post #33 of 1300
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Originally Posted by Brajesh View Post

Damian commented that it's the non-Android firmware for this player that Mede8er could customize.
Via hdlandforum (French), some initial impressions were posted:
Above is via Google Translate. Good to hear 23.976 "well managed", but author doesn't say whether it's fine for 2D and 3D film-based material. BD-lite bugs are concerning as it would be needed for playlist select for 2D and 3D BD-ISO's. Hopefully, Mede8er is actively looking here (or will be) and at other forums in order to release updated firmwares quickly.


more news about the new mede8er and the realtek with autoframe. This is from the first test done by Christophe from HDLand and posted on HCFR (google translate) :
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Hello everyone!

Good news! Button on the left side is actually a programmable button So it's all good!
The bad news of the day is that Realtek chips do not support Auto Framerate completely. In fact, the Auto Framerate can switch from 23.976 Hz to the defined default is 50 or 59.94 Hz (60 Hz). So for example if you set the drive at 50 Hz, NTSC files will not be fluid, even by activating the Auto Framerate.
I will receive sample files for the Jukebox.

Regarding the Internet browser, there is a real Web browser (browser) and more web applications like YouTube XL. By default it is not too useful but with the optional keyboard with integrated trackball should do it!

Christophe

Autoframe isn't "well managed", as Christophe posted previously in your quote :

- The Auto framerate not working well. The 23.976 Hz is well managed but the DVD NTSC saccadent.

"saccadent" means "stutter"...
post #34 of 1300
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Originally Posted by csrini1 View Post

Anything more than 149 USD, including taxes and shipping is pricey.

I do not agree with you. Mede8er provides more than Micca in terms of having a better UI, support, and movie and music jukeboxes. However, I do agree that paying $220 + shipping for a media player that has the same stuttering issues as the Micca EP950 / 600 isn't appealing! I hope Mede8er / Realtek find a solution for this issue.
post #35 of 1300
Agree with you Gus. Looks like shipping is free, but I don't mind paying ~$220 if the MED1000X3D works well. I know Mede8er will get the UI and jukebox right, so my concern is them at least having the features/functionality for 3D BD-ISO's that HiMedia/Micca have added (playlist select, synch invert, etc.).
post #36 of 1300
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Originally Posted by Brajesh View Post

Agree with you Gus. Looks like shipping is free, but I don't mind paying ~$220 if the MED1000X3D works well. I know Mede8er will get the UI and jukebox right, so my concern is them at least having the features/functionality for 3D BD-ISO's that HiMedia/Micca have added (playlist select, synch invert, etc.).

All we can do is wait and see what happens when someone gets a unit for testing.
post #37 of 1300
Got direct reply from Mede8er with regards to 3D. Sounds very promising. I'll be ordering a unit to test as soon as MediaConceptUSA gets them in. Got my 450X2 from them; great service. Time to finally eBay off my HiMedia HD900B.

Ability to select which playlist to play. Crucial for titles like 'Cars 2' 3D in which the Spanish credits playlist is largest/longest and plays by default in 1186 players I've tried, and titles like 'Grand Canyon (IMAX)' 3D in which the largest/longest playlist is the making-of, not the main feature. HiMedia and Micca players have fixed this via playlist select using BD-lite option.
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Currently X2 Plays the correct Playlist using 'Cars 2' 3DISO so it seems fine. We are currently writing a Playlist navigator for X3 and expect it to be completed in about 1 week just in-case users encounter this on other titles.

Ability to invert synch. Crucial for titles like 'Rio' 3D, 'Drive Angry' 3D and others which are right-eye first, not the usual left-eye first 3D BDs. HiMedia and Micca players have fixed this via 'Menu' button pop-up options.
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Supported

Proper 23.976 for 3D film-based BDs, which is most of them. HiMedia and Micca players have NOT fixed this; it's still 24.000 for 23.976 material.
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Cannot answer this as we dont have equipment to read if it correct or not. I have read a pre test conducted by HD Land on one of the French forums that positively talks about this point.

Support for forced subs. Crucial in 'Avatar' 3D for those of us who don't understand native Na'vi wink.gif. HiMedia and Micca players have NOT fixed this. Maybe this is a Realtek issue as I don't see forced subs supported in any 1185 and 1186 players to date.
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The SDK does not support forced subs and I will ask our engineers to see if we can do something to support them.
post #38 of 1300
so, the real answer to the 23.976 question is "no"...
very disappointing as I was hoping to try one of these out. I will let Brajesh and a few others be the guinea pigs on this one. Hopefully, with he good support mede8er seems to have, a fix will be forthcoming...
post #39 of 1300
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Originally Posted by csrini1 View Post

Anything more than 149 USD, including taxes and shipping is pricey.
man, you guys are a bunch of cheapo's...
post #40 of 1300
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Originally Posted by streamerlover View Post

so, the real answer to the 23.976 question is "no"...
very disappointing as I was hoping to try one of these out. I will let Brajesh and a few others be the guinea pigs on this one. Hopefully, with he good support mede8er seems to have, a fix will be forthcoming...
Hard to say. Auto framerate not working well, but 23.976 is "well managed", whatever that means. We'll find out over next few weeks.
post #41 of 1300
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Originally Posted by streamerlover View Post

man, you guys are a bunch of cheapo's...

129$ is a good price range, even more so if you are a person that does multiroom setups, While people will spend more for something nicer for an HT room 129 is a decent price for bedroom setups and things.
post #42 of 1300
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Originally Posted by Brajesh View Post

Hard to say. Auto framerate not working well, but 23.976 is "well managed", whatever that means. We'll find out over next few weeks.

yeah... instead of "well managed", I will wait for "working and displaying at 23.976"...
post #43 of 1300
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Originally Posted by streamerlover View Post

yeah... instead of "well managed", I will wait for "working and displaying at 23.976"...

I don't think that's going to be possible in the near future. If it was, it would of been fixed already.
post #44 of 1300
I feel the same way--I dont think some things could be fixed without a new fixed chip.I think there would already be a fix if possible.To me it seems like a Realtek issue when different brands have the same issues with the same chip
post #45 of 1300
While important to fix, is the 23.976 issue really that bad? I'm currently using HiMedia's HD900B with an Optoma HD33 projector, and I only notice minor frame skips every once in a while. Having 23.976 forced into 24.000 means a hiccup every 1,000 frames right? So, that's approximately every 42 seconds, but it doesn't seem noticeable everytime. Maybe this is one of those things that if once you start looking for the issue, you always see it. So, maybe ignorance or partial ignorance on my part is bliss smile.gif.
post #46 of 1300
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Originally Posted by Brajesh View Post

While important to fix, is the 23.976 issue really that bad? I'm currently using HiMedia's HD900B with an Optoma HD33 projector, and I only notice minor frame skips every once in a while. Having 23.976 forced into 24.000 means a hiccup every 1,000 frames right? So, that's approximately every 42 seconds, but it doesn't seem noticeable everytime. Maybe this is one of those things that if once you start looking for the issue, you always see it. So, maybe ignorance or partial ignorance on my part is bliss smile.gif.

Once I know is there, I will always be looking for it lol:D
post #47 of 1300
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Originally Posted by Brajesh View Post

While important to fix, is the 23.976 issue really that bad? I'm currently using HiMedia's HD900B with an Optoma HD33 projector, and I only notice minor frame skips every once in a while. Having 23.976 forced into 24.000 means a hiccup every 1,000 frames right? So, that's approximately every 42 seconds, but it doesn't seem noticeable everytime. Maybe this is one of those things that if once you start looking for the issue, you always see it. So, maybe ignorance or partial ignorance on my part is bliss smile.gif.

Be glad if you rarely see it, because based on a 90 min. movie, you'll have the stutter ~128 times . . . try overlooking that. wink.gif
BTW, watching the "Planet Earth" Bluray is a great way to notice the microstutters . . . lots of nice long camera movements . . . which are ruined. frown.gif
post #48 of 1300
I tend to be picky, but on this issue, maybe my projector is doing something to make it less noticeable. I'll have to check out 'Planet Earth' via HD900B.
post #49 of 1300
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Originally Posted by Brajesh View Post

I tend to be picky, but on this issue, maybe my projector is doing something to make it less noticeable. I'll have to check out 'Planet Earth' via HD900B.

DON'T DO IT! Once you see it you will always notice it. Ignorance is bliss!!!
Be blissful!!
post #50 of 1300
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Originally Posted by streamerlover View Post

DON'T DO IT! Once you see it you will always notice it. Ignorance is bliss!!!
Be blissful!!
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post #51 of 1300
just to be accurate on the french HDLand testing and autoframerate :

24/23.976 autoframe IS working. The problem is 24/23.976/50 OR 60Hz. It seems that the 1000X3D can't fully manage all the framerates, so the problem isn't between 23.976 and 24fps, but between 50 and 60Hz. If I understand correctly what they tested, you can't set up 23.976/24/50/60 autoframe like you will do it with a dune, but you will have to chose between 50 or 60hz. Not a big deal for you in the US as I guess you're not looking so many PAL movies or TV series @50Hz and you will be happy with a 23.976/24/60 set up.

But for us in europe we are watching a lot of US tv series or imported DVD NTSC which are 60hz while our PAL dvd are 50hz, so if we setup 23.976/24/60 our imported materials will be OK but local PAL materials will stutter, and if we set it to 23.976/24/50 it will be the other way round..

At least this how I understand their testing.
post #52 of 1300
For me the most important is PQ. Can't imagine these boxes come close to a good bd player like Oppo. Although I have to admit the 93 I had for awhile produced a bit too much video-noise to my liking.
post #53 of 1300
oppo is not a "good" player, it's a "very good" player. You can't compare a 200/300$ media player with a 500$ player...
post #54 of 1300
Possible, but even my portable HP player, has less video noise. I sned mine back because for that price, I may have very sharp image, once u see it has moer VN, it bothers you. I had not that vn on the 95 I tested. Some suggested here, something must be wrong with the 95, but the importer said he was not surprised that I found it less even in PQ then the 95.

In Europe, more owners complained about that, while in US everybody claims the 95 and 93 are identical. My display is a Sony VW 95, so I guess there is nothing wrong with it as my older HC computer, now passed a way, had a very nice pQ.
post #55 of 1300
Oppo is Blu-ray player, so the target audience is different. You're paying for build quality, the highest video and audio quality, and Oppo's name. Media streamers make up a fairly niche market, and expectations are different. You already see people complain about $220 for the MED1000X3D. I think the price is reasonable for what Mede8er should be able to deliver based on their previous offerings. The other thing is what they're able to do with the Realtek chip itself. Several things are dependent on Realtek and outside Mede8er's control.
post #56 of 1300
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Originally Posted by Mr Eric View Post

just to be accurate on the french HDLand testing and autoframerate :
24/23.976 autoframe IS working. The problem is 24/23.976/50 OR 60Hz. It seems that the 1000X3D can't fully manage all the framerates, so the problem isn't between 23.976 and 24fps, but between 50 and 60Hz. If I understand correctly what they tested, you can't set up 23.976/24/50/60 autoframe like you will do it with a dune, but you will have to chose between 50 or 60hz. Not a big deal for you in the US as I guess you're not looking so many PAL movies or TV series @50Hz and you will be happy with a 23.976/24/60 set up.
But for us in europe we are watching a lot of US tv series or imported DVD NTSC which are 60hz while our PAL dvd are 50hz, so if we setup 23.976/24/60 our imported materials will be OK but local PAL materials will stutter, and if we set it to 23.976/24/50 it will be the other way round..
At least this how I understand their testing.
That is AWESOME! So the only issue for us in 60Hz land is set it for 60Hz and everything works good? If so that is great news and maybe I will give this box a shot at launch if that can be confirmed. I can't take the stuttering. It drives me batshit every time I see it and I spend more time waiting for the next stutter than I did watching the actual movie..
post #57 of 1300
First full review is up, in Dutch, so use Google Translate. The numerous pics are nice, but the review itself left me wanting details, which are lacking. Almost nothing on 3D and no mention of 23.976. They do mention, "So the player has trouble with several of our Blu-ray backups, both in ISO format as in BDMV folder structure. It is fairly consistently have the sound but not the image played." They also say, " Also 3D files are mostly well played, although for some the BD menu function in the settings are turned off." I do know Mede8er is working on adding a playlist navigator for 3D, which is a must. And, for ISO playback in general, hopefully that will improve with firmware updates. Mede8er has done a nice job improving their X2 series, so I'd expect likewise for X3.
post #58 of 1300
I read it in dutch. Has still some issues, but nothing to be concerned about.

What is less good is hte medium quality for sd, but then I not play much anymore in s, everything hd on this end of the ocean. A double hdmi output would have been welcome. f you have a projector, always better to output it directly. For sound, a second hdmi would help to do lossless if you receiver (and most will not), not accept 3d signal. Such a shame!!!!

As for picture quality, it is not compared with anything on the market, like a "dune", a very good BD player or an Oppo. Of course an Oppo is much better for sd upscaling, but what about Hd, is it worth the extra investment?
post #59 of 1300
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Originally Posted by Brajesh View Post

I tend to be picky, but on this issue, maybe my projector is doing something to make it less noticeable. I'll have to check out 'Planet Earth' via HD900B.

i experience the same non-issues 2D or 3D as you @brajesh, using a ep950 micca, and a led 400hz

recently i bought a espon tw6000 (us- 3010) 480hz and is working perfectly well , quite a few people already watch some movies in my home cinema setup (blind test) with same results.
Maybe different hardware affect different viewing.

we got lucky i guess..
post #60 of 1300
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Originally Posted by canton160 View Post

i experience the same non-issues 2D or 3D as you @brajesh, using a ep950 micca, and a led 400hz
recently i bought a espon tw6000 (us- 3010) 480hz and is working perfectly well , quite a few people already watch some movies in my home cinema setup (blind test) with same results.
Maybe different hardware affect different viewing.
we got lucky i guess..
"MAYBE different hardware affect different viewing"????
Really????
glad your micca is still perfect!
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