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post #31 of 76
8/8/12 at 11:09am
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My room is all but destroyed for loud music at this point because the 2012 subwoofer meet (specifically the dual orbit shifters) pretty much loosened all my drywall and now it starts vibrating pretty good at low frequencies and high spl

that is so awesome biggrin.gif
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post #32 of 76
8/9/12 at 11:37pm
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toddriffic,
I'm attempting to find a PL200, and a Energy S10.3. I will have access to my brothers Klipsch RW-12D, a Jamo Sub 650 which a friend (tatersly) just bought this week, and a BIC F12 or V1220 or even a DIY setup consiting of a 3.5 cubic foot box with a Dayton Audio Titanik MK3 driver (DIY cost around $350 excluding amp) (KCNitro07), I believe another friend has a popular 12" polk which could be entered into the equation, perhaps even a top end (ha) Onkyo HTIB sub owned by Luke Kamp.
In the mid priced $700 to $1000 range I know quite a few subs in KC I could borrow, but those shootouts have been done more thoroughly and regularly than the budget shootouts at this point. I think my next sub meet I host later this year will likely be a budget sub shootout, since the first one was mostly midpriced - $700-$1000, and the second one was mostly top tier. It be fun to line up some of the subs that cost less than $500 (maybe even as high as $700) and see where they fall out. I've not decided if I should try to acquire these subs for a "shootout" type gathering or just to capture frequency responses and keep it small scale. If you'd be willing to ship me one of your four, I'd be happy to throw it in the mix. I'd pay return shipping and guarantee no damage to your unit. (or I'll buy it if something were to happen).

Hi Archaea,

I'm a big fan of shootouts, and great sounding affordable gear. I just closed on my new home and am chomping at the bit to listen and measure all 4 subs as I ran 2 in my old place, so I don't see parting with one of them in the very near future. That is unless I quickly find that 4 isn't a improvement over two or one in my living room that is not a sealed, dedicated, symmetrical HT room, but is open to the rest off the house. smile.gif
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post #33 of 76
8/10/12 at 2:26pm
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that is so awesome biggrin.gif

I lol'd too

Someone needs to steal that and make it their tag line for a while

Subscribed...I think this will be a very helpful thread for many. S10.3 have been selling for $200 for a while now.
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post #34 of 76
8/10/12 at 3:17pm
Where is the 10.3 $200?

might be a nice supplement to my front towers- can you pipe the signal through the 10.3 and then continue on with the higher stuff to the fronts like some subs allow?

If anyone is looking to unload S-12s, or knows someone who is, let me know.

I run dual Omni S-12's obtained from that classic Vann's $399 sale years ago, and wouldn't mind adding more on the cheap if I could find them.
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post #35 of 76
8/10/12 at 3:41pm
the S10.3 is exclusively sold by Newegg now, and frequent sales put it in the $200 range.

The S12.3 / Omni S12 is long gone now, so you would have to find one used probably.
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post #36 of 76
8/10/12 at 8:56pm
Toddriffic I would suggest starting your own thread, especially since you will receive specific advice with helping you setup your 4 Energy subs in your room. I would imagine you would receive excellent advice from many on this forum on how to setup, test and fine tune. Then I think you could link or update to this thread.

I just think if you start you own thread it would benefit you much more greatly. I don't think you would get near enough support from just a specific owner's thread. I think if you just sought out advice from this thread that too many voices and opinions, would go unheard and that would be a shame.

I think if you started you own thread that it could be very beneficial to many of us. I think it would be a thread that is very beneficial as well as unique. Your system could end up being quite the example.
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post #37 of 76
8/13/12 at 5:00pm
Thanks for the advice. Moving and settling into the new place is keeping me very busy. It will be a little while before I can post anything meaningful. The kid in me just had to hook them up today and play some bass heavy music with 4 in a corner. smile.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaxfIhXgALA

Have a great day all!
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post #38 of 76
8/17/12 at 9:03pm
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Is it now a bad idea to buy Energy products from Vann's since they've filed for bankruptcy? Perhaps, if this post turns out to be true...
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post #39 of 76
11/9/12 at 7:02am
I just recently acquired a used Energy ESW-V8 (from the Veritas line I believe) and this little guy is great for music in my small home office. Nice and punchy. If you're looking for a smaller sub for music in a small room, I would recommend adding this one to your short list. It completely trounces my Def Tech Prosub 60. The only downside is that it doesn't have dual RCA inputs (from a pre-amp out) but instead has the single LFE input plus the high level inputs.wink.gif
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post #40 of 76
11/16/12 at 10:54am
I am comparing the Energy ESW-M8 Subwoofer (300 watt RMS continuous) vs Energy S-10.3 Subwoofer (200 watt continuous)

Question for the gurus ? batPig/toddRiffic

I bought one of the latter for my Denon 3312 7.2 receiver. I also bought the Energy Classic Take 5 speakers and Energy CF-70 tower. Is it worth getting the ESW M-8 for an extra 100 watt RMS by paying $100 more ?

ESW-M8 costs $300 while S 10.3 $200. Please advice.
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post #41 of 76
11/16/12 at 11:02am
You will get more output and deeper extension from the s10.3. The energy and mirage 8inch subs are over achievers and the 10inch subs are more of a good thing. The difference in power is negligible.
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post #42 of 76
11/16/12 at 11:28am
@toddRiffic - Pardon me for my ignorance but are you saying that having a larger dimension like 10 inches (BUT lesser RMS or continuous wattage) as compared to 8 inches (and more wattage) will be a better choice.
All I have come across is specs I have read on Energy's website about these speakers and amazon reviews.

Wattage (100 watt difference) is immaterial ?? Can you throw some more light on "more output and deeper extension from the s10.3" if that is what I should stick with in your opinion.
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post #43 of 76
11/16/12 at 2:05pm
Sraghava,

To be clear, the. only reasons to go with the smaller of the two subs is that you either do not have space for the bigger sub or you like the looks of the smaller sub better. The larger s10.3 has always measured to play about 5 hertz lower than my Mirage s8.

The 100 watts extra does not matter because It takes double the wattage to get a very small 3dB increase in output. So let's say the both subs were equal in size of their cabinet and driver, the ESW would only give a 1.5dB increase in output which would be barely noticeable. Now, the reality is that the ESW has a smaller cabinet and driver which is actually less efficient. The larger cone and cabinet in the S10.3 more than makes up for the difference in watts.
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post #44 of 76
11/16/12 at 3:21pm
@toddRiffic - Thank you so much for the articulate explanation.
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post #45 of 76
11/16/12 at 4:39pm
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Originally Posted by sraghava View Post

@toddRiffic - Thank you so much for the articulate explanation.

sraghava,

You're very welcome, getting the S10.3 for $200 is a steal. You'll be very happy with it. Let us know if you need any further help.
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post #46 of 76
11/17/12 at 2:22am
Another rudimentary question. What kind of cables and where to buy for connecting my Denon 3312CL receiver , Energy Take 5,Energy CF-70 and Energy S 10.3 sub-woofers. I don't want to spend an exorbitant amount too.
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post #47 of 76
11/17/12 at 11:54am
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Originally Posted by sraghava View Post

Another rudimentary question. What kind of cables and where to buy for connecting my Denon 3312CL receiver , Energy Take 5,Energy CF-70 and Energy S 10.3 sub-woofers. I don't want to spend an exorbitant amount too.

Monoprice.com has all the wires you need. How big is the room your putting the speakers in?
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post #48 of 76
11/24/12 at 2:05pm
Hello everyone,

I started a thread to cover my quad S10.3 experiment. I have a lot to do before the final word is in. smile.gif

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1441048/quad-subwoofers-in-real-world-living-room
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post #49 of 76
12/5/12 at 7:44am
Hello all. So I am new to the forum, I have done my research and I have decided that the Energy 10.3 is for me. Especially consider my tight budget and the low sale price. But low and behold it's discontinued and out of stock at New Egg. It's sister, the Mirage omni s10 is in the same boat. So where does that leave me? Is the ESW C10 its replacement? That's too much dough for me and puts me on the hunt again for a great bargain sub for 50/50 music/HT use. Ugh!
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post #50 of 76
12/5/12 at 8:24am
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Originally Posted by Freddyknuckles View Post

Hello all. So I am new to the forum, I have done my research and I have decided that the Energy 10.3 is for me

The S10.3 was discontinued a while ago, but they were still selling them for a long time. The few that do still exist are no longer being sold for the bargain price they once were, so they aren't as attractive now. The ESW C10 is not it's replacement I'm afraid. Actually, Energy/Mirage doesn't have a replacement it seems.

What's your budget and how big is your room?
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post #51 of 76
12/6/12 at 8:45am
The HSU STF-2 is what is what i would purchase if there were no more S10.3s left. That is to say if it could produce enough output to suit your taste in your given space.
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post #52 of 76
12/6/12 at 12:30pm
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The S10.3 was discontinued a while ago, but they were still selling them for a long time. The few that do still exist are no longer being sold for the bargain price they once were, so they aren't as attractive now. The ESW C10 is not it's replacement I'm afraid. Actually, Energy/Mirage doesn't have a replacement it seems.
What's your budget and how big is your room?
The room is 19x15 with 7.5' ceilings. On one side of the room there is a large archway to the kitchen wich is 15x15. Not sure that's a factor. Budget is about 200 but less is better. Been thinking about going used. I found an Energy SW100 for $125...
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post #53 of 76
12/6/12 at 2:17pm
the Energy SW100 is basically a rebadged Klipsch KW100, not a great sub but for $125 not too bad. If you are willing to go up to $200 I would definitely rather get a BIC F12 or even two of the Dayton Sub-1200: http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=300-629

you have to be careful with more recent Energy sub products, they aren't built to the same standard as the stuff from back when Energy was Energy (pre Klipsch and then Audiovox buyouts). The SX.3 (and Mirage SX twins) and the ESW-VX (and Mirage Prestige SX twins) sub lines were the last "real" Energy subs.
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post #54 of 76
12/7/12 at 7:25pm
Anyone else out there have one of the 18"rs Energy put out a while back? I have been using this for around a decade, and have yet to find something I like the sound of better.
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post #55 of 76
1/28/13 at 11:08am
I have a Denon AVR-591BA package in my den (12x12 Den), and always felt something was missing with the Boston Acoustic MCS 95 5.1 setup.

The other day Sears had a Energy Take Classic 5.0 on sale - half price.

I know not a big upgrade, but since I'm paying 2 college tuitions, I don't have a lot of $$ to work with. I've also been happy with the Energy CB-5's that I have in the other room, so I bought them.

The current BA sub that I have is part of the BA MCS95 package with the following specs:

- Frequency Response: 50 Hz - 150 Hz
- Amplifier Output: 100 watts RMS (250 watts Peak)
- Power supply: AC 120 V, 60 Hz
- Dimensions (WxHxD) : 11 3/16 x 12 1/4" x 15 9/16"
- Weight: 20.0 lbs

I'd like to improve on my existing sub as well, but I have limited footprint to work with (not much more room than what the existing sub occupies), and limited $$.

Do you think I'd se much improvement if I went with any of theses subs (if I can find them)?

- Energy ESW-8HG (Original Take Classic Sub, if I can find one on ebay)
- Energy EW-100 (I can get one new for $149.
- Energy ESW-C8 (I can get one used for $169)
- Energy S10.3 ($319 used on Amazon)

Any opinions are welcomed.
Edited by dsskid - 1/28/13 at 11:15am
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post #56 of 76
1/28/13 at 11:57am
Well, any of them would probably be an improvement over the crummy little BA sub. No need to stick to Energy brand though.

The S10.3 is by far the best of your choices but obviously the most expensive. I would suggest a visit to the budget subwoofers thread and you can see the popular options.
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post #57 of 76
1/28/13 at 12:09pm
Anyone have much experience with the ESW-M8 8in sub's? Very interesting sub for the price (I've seen for sale like $200.00 range). I'm really intrigued by compact design. Would like to use in 2ch system in-conjunction with wall-mounted Energy V-Mini's
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post #58 of 76
1/28/13 at 12:12pm
D -- check out this review: http://www.avhub.com.au/images/stories/australian-hifi/reviews/2012/2012-03/energy_esw-m8_subwoofer_equipment_review_lores.pdf

The sub is designed obviously to provide as much power and output from a tiny box as possible. It's not a "real" HT sub as it's not going to overcome the physics of an 8" driver in a tiny box, but all the reviews I've seen have shown impressive quality and performance for the size. You can't expect a lot of output below 35-40Hz but the advantage is that it is flat up to 200Hz+, which means it will probably blend well with tiny satellites like the V-Mini's. So as long as your expectations are realistic about what a tiny sub can do, I think it's a good buy at $200 where the compact size has appeal.
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post #59 of 76
1/28/13 at 12:41pm
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Do you think I'd se much improvement if I went with any of theses subs (if I can find them)?

- Energy ESW-8HG (Original Take Classic Sub, if I can find one on ebay)
- Energy EW-100 (I can get one new for $149.
- Energy ESW-C8 (I can get one used for $169)
- Energy S10.3 ($319 used on Amazon)

The S10.3 is probably be the best among them, but that's a bit on the high side for a used one. The EW-100 would be my second choice from that list, especially at only $150. For HT you should really try and avoid anything with an 8" driver though - very rarely will you find a subwoofer that small be able to handle what any modern movie is capable of.
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post #60 of 76
1/28/13 at 1:14pm
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D -- check out this review: The sub is designed obviously to provide as much power and output from a tiny box as possible. It's not a "real" HT sub as it's not going to overcome the physics of an 8" driver in a tiny box, but all the reviews I've seen have shown impressive quality and performance for the size. You can't expect a lot of output below 35-40Hz but the advantage is that it is flat up to 200Hz+, which means it will probably blend well with tiny satellites like the V-Mini's. So as long as your expectations are realistic about what a tiny sub can do, I think it's a good buy at $200 where the compact size has appeal.
thanks for this BatPig, great info! Yeah, this will be used in mostly (simple) music-only bedroom system. I enable NAD amp when I wish to listen music (CD's, or stream music via-Oppo player), or add stereo audio to TV broadcast or BD/DVD movie (from Oppo player).

The V-Mini's sound pretty good by themselves. However, being wall-mounted (using stock bracket) rear speaker is very close to rear-wall, consequently getting some "bloated" ("boxey") characteristic. I will proabably need to insert foam plugs into V-Mini's (to clean-up bloating/boxeyness), and use sub for bass.

I have NAD C272 2ch amp/T163 pre-amp integrated to Oppo BDP-93 player and Scientific Atlanta SA-8300 digital cable-box, and stereo Energy V-Mini's wall-mounted. I'm analyzing connection's on ESW-M8, not sure if it has provision's for connecting a sub using speaker output's on amp (like I've seen on other sub's)?
Edited by WestCoastD - 1/28/13 at 7:33pm
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